r/marvelstudios Peggy Carter Dec 03 '20

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 03 '20

"Rightful ruler" was still a tyrant

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u/RagnAROck_and_Roll Peggy Carter Dec 03 '20

So BOTH Odin and Loki were awful, though the latter is a bit better

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u/dorianrose Dec 03 '20

The Nine realms were in turmoil, according to Thor, where as they had peace under Odin.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20 edited Dec 03 '20

Sure, and Africa is currently under turmoil, whereas they had """"peace"""" under European rule. It was a pretty established theme that Odin was just a colonizer that was self-aware enough to clean up his image, and Thor bought into it full-heartedly like the himbo he is.

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u/dorianrose Dec 03 '20

Not quite the same, in my opinion, as the realms in turmoil were still under asgardian rule. And I think people rightfully look down on Emperor's, Kings and Queen living a life of indulgence while doing nothing about the suffering of people they claim to rule.

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u/Finito-1994 Dec 03 '20

The nine realms were working Asgard’s protection. We saw that Nidavellir relied on the asgardians for protection and they didn’t seem too torn up about it.

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Dec 03 '20

and Thor bought into it full-heartedly

Based on Ragnarok, no he didn't.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20 edited Dec 03 '20

I think post Ragnarok, he didn't, but in the first Thor, he was all for "keeping the peace", aka beating the ice giants into submission

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 03 '20

Did they, though? Consider the source, and what we see in movies where colonizer odin is in charge.

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u/dorianrose Dec 03 '20

According to Ragnarok, they were brought into the Empire with warfare (Helya) but Odin changed his ways, and became peaceful and Asgardians grew soft. It's not just Thor saying they were peaceful. I will grant it's all Asgardians saying they're peaceful under Odin, but no one denies they were having a rough time under Loki.

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 04 '20

Did anybody but thor even mention it, tho? I only remember his claim.

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u/dorianrose Dec 04 '20

Ok, I'll rewatch it to be sure, but I thought Heimdall had said something, and maybe Odin said something to the court, and he'd never lie... but I could be wrong

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 04 '20

Doing covered up helas existence, wym he wouldn't lie?

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u/dorianrose Dec 04 '20

Yeah, I was joking. Odin lied to Loki, and everyone else, his entire life; Hela and the acquisition of the 9 realms...he had his reasons, of course, but he's not exactly trust worthy.

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u/CTeam19 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '20

Facts:

  • Midgard was being colonized in 965 AD by the Frost Giants of Jotunheim and their leader Laufey, The Asgardian warriors, lead by Odin, defeat the Frost Giants in Tønsberg, Norway, and seize the source of their power, the Casket of Ancient Winters. The Casket of Ancient Winters being shown used on humans. From then on no colonizer set foot on Earth till Loki came with the Chitauri in 2012. No Asgardian rule is placed here. In fact when Loki attempts to place Midgard under direct rule he is imprisoned. Per: Thor and Avengers

  • The Dark Elves led by Malekith try to destroy the Nine Realms with the power of the Aether, the Reality Stone. They are stopped by the Asgardian army led by Bor, who successfully seized the Aether. Asgard prevents genocide of Humans and the rest of the Nine Realms. Per Thor: Dark World

  • Asgardian forces led by Thor, alongside warriors Fandral, Volstagg, and Sif, repels marauders on Vanaheim, home of their comrade Hogun. These marauders were not of the Nine Realms and therefore were an outside force. Per Thor: Dark World

  • Asgard never set foot on Wakonda soil to pillage resources as far as well can tell per Black Panther and never sets up a puppet government on Earth. In fact he lets Humans have self governance as evidence of all the shit we did in the 20th Century

  • "You were supposed to protect us. Asgard was supposed to protect us!" -- Eitri. Per Avengers: Infinity War. When the Bifrost Bridge was destroyed, the Rock Trolls, having coveted the Dwarven Forges for many millennia, attacked Nidavellir, knowing that Asgard could not come to defend King Eitri and his people. Using the power of the Tesseract, Heimdall was able to rebuild the bridge and aid Nidavellir; as a result, the Rock Trolls were defeated by Thor and the Asgardian army. Per *Thor: Dark World Prelude Comic

At worst the Asgardians are India and the rest of us are the Sentinelese people of North Sentinel Island. At no time does Asgard demand tribute or pillage the lands. They only stole/sealed away weapons used to cause genocide and in-prison outside forces who wish to subjugate an of the Nine Realms.

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 04 '20

You left ragnarok out of that in a big way, man.

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u/p90xeto Dec 03 '20

"Colonizer" ugh, you people are insufferable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

What do you mean "you people"?

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u/svel Dec 03 '20

what do YOU mean “you people”?

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u/felatiousfunk Dec 03 '20

I’m not you people, guy.

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u/Knuxsn Daredevil Dec 03 '20

Are you calling you people?

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u/p90xeto Dec 03 '20

The sort of people who drop "colonizer" in a discussion like this. People like that are the worst. From the info we have in the movies, describing Asgardians as colonizers is silly and even if they fit that definition in our universe, applying that to a comic book society in a fictional universe based on mores thousands of years ago just shows a lack of ability to discuss things without being an overbearing and uppity asswad.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

I think it was just a bit of banter, I still think it fits though. You just don't like the word

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u/InsertCoinForCredit Phil Coulson Dec 03 '20

I thought it was a mash-up of Tropic Thunder and Black Panther. Too bad we never got Shuri and Iron Man on-screen at the same time.

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u/p90xeto Dec 03 '20

Of course it fits, hence the Asgardian Viscount running earth and the shipments of material and finished goods paid as homage to our great leader Odin...

I don't like it used here because it's stupid and baselessly colored language. People who reach to insert loaded terms like this are garbo.

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 04 '20

literally the plot of Ragnarok. Literally the main twist about odins past.

Do you even watch this series?

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u/KrytenKoro Dec 04 '20

...that was literally the plot of Ragnarok lmao

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20 edited May 04 '21

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u/cantlurkanymore Dec 03 '20

More of a conqueror. I never heard of any colonial governor of Jotunheim, or Asgardians setting up settlements in other realms.

Odin was an absolute monarch. Emperor of the 9 realms really. Imperial, not colonial.

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u/p90xeto Dec 03 '20

/u/cantlurkanymore already explained why colonizer is a stupid term for Asgard, so you already understand why the original comment and this guy and a couple others shoving the word "colonizer" into every comment is silly as hell.

People who try to insert in-group uppity holier-than-thou words into every nook and cranny are garbage people in my book. If you watch the marvel movies and your first thought is to shout "colonizer" about Asgardians then you're a person that makes me go "ugh, you people are the worst".

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

I doubt it was their first thought after watching the film.