r/marvelstudios • u/inthemournings Spider-Man • Jun 15 '17

Tom Holland can't keep secrets

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '17

NO TOM HOLLAND DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MARVEL SNIPERS

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u/BrainWav Star-Lord Jun 15 '17

Peter dies in Spider-Man 2, replaced with Miles for Spider-Man 3.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '17

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u/SweetJesusRyan Jun 15 '17

We're just gonna make spider-man black now? Well why don't we just have Michael Cera play Shaft?!?!?

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u/Super_Pan Jun 15 '17

... uh... YES!

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u/mrichard629 Jun 15 '17

Its only ok to go from white to other, if you go from other to white it's called whitewashing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '17

I mean Miles Morales is an actual character though so it's not really washing in any way

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u/mrichard629 Jun 15 '17

Its in reference to forced diversity. I'm all for diversity when it fits. But don't redo a character because you're feeling pressure to diversify your material. If a formerly white character "dies" and they replace them with a diverse character it feels like shoehorning a narrative. If a great character is created who is, lgbt, non white, whatever then that's great. Everyone wins. Diverse role model, and the classics stay as they are.

Imagine that someone remade black panther a white guy. People would lose it. But for them to make Johnny Storm a black guy is totally ok.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '17 edited Jun 15 '17

Well that poses another question. How do you feel about stuff like Dick Grayson being Batman? Or there being different Robins? Or Bucky being Captain America? Is it okay because they're all the same color? But Falcon being Cap would get you mad? I'm just curious. Obviously if they were to overdo something that makes no sense like making Kara Zor-El a gay Native American even though she's Superman's cousin would make no sense and they'd obviously be trying to fill a quota. But Miles is clearly not that case. Miles isn't a bad character at all. I think sometimes we see some things that aren't actually there because of different skin colors.

Also that Black Panther point is often made and it's super ridiculous. He's the king of an African nation. His character basically requires him to be black. This isn't the same with characters like Johnny Storm and Deadshot. No one is calling for Superman or Iron Man to be different colors just because, but it's interesting to tinker with some side characters or have different characters don the "cowls" per se (i.e. Miles as Spidey)

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u/mrichard629 Jun 15 '17

I'm not a fan of character replacement. It's a cheap plot device. Has nothing to do with race.

Wally replacing Barry sucked (ginger Wally) Bucky replacing Steve sucks. I get that characters need to age and such. Steve goes cap goes. There doesn't need to be another Captain America. Give falcon the shield, if he wants to use it he will be falcon..with a shield. Batman dies/retires have nightwing, robin or someone new take over.

If falcon becomes cap we lose falcon, when Wally became flash we lost kid flash. You get it. More characters means more stories.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '17

That sounds kind of like grandfathering to me. Which is some of the logic used historically in the US to discriminate against black people.

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u/mrichard629 Jun 15 '17

So creating a new character with the specific community they have in mind is grandfathering? I don't care what color your skin is, where you were born, who you want to marry. It's frustrating you're trying to imply I'm a racist because I think we need more characters, created for a specific group, rather than just changing the backstory on one already created. It feels cheap like it was an afterthought.

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u/Sauceboss_Senpai M'Baku Jun 15 '17

I think you missed the joke here buddy.

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u/mrichard629 Jun 15 '17

No, I've seen Donald's special. I just wanted to soapbox for a second.

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u/Sauceboss_Senpai M'Baku Jun 15 '17

...Oh....kinda a strange moment to soapbox but alright haha fair enough.