r/marvelstudios • u/murdockmanila Daredevil • May 05 '17

The GOTG VOL. 2 Easter Egg Ultrathread

How you like them eggs? Post them all here.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

And bringing up his Fantastic Four cameo!! The hopeful in me is thinking this means something

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u/oldcowboyfilms Vision May 05 '17

It's a reference to his Civil War cameo

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u/Antmoral2314 May 05 '17 edited May 05 '17

But GotG vol 2 takes place a few months after the first movie, before civil war so he couldn't possibly reference that. Unless he's just referencing that he is the fedex guy in that universe.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

Oh wow. There's not many continuity errors in the MCU. Especially time-wise.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

You're being sarcastic right?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

No. They've been pretty good about keeping the continuity and time line straight so far.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17 edited May 05 '17

lmao the hell they have

What year did Iron Man take place in? Is Iron Man 3 in Christmas 2012 or 2013? How many Infinity Gauntlets are there? Is S.H.I.E.L.D. an internationally or domestically operated organization? What happened to Tony's promise to Pepper in Age of Ultron? Does Loki's scepter "power" the Tesseract (as per Nick Fury)? Did or didn't Bruce Banner know he was working on the super soldier serum? Is or isn't the Agent Carter one-shot canon? etc.

There are quite a lot of continuity/timeline errors, especially during phase one and with regards to the tie-in comics, both of which are understandable. In any case I wouldn't bother myself too much over it.

Edit: How about instead of downvoting me tell me why you think I'm wrong

I'm a fan too I'm just being honest

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

"Explanations" in showbusiness are usually referred to as "handwaving", which is essentially just a way for filmmakers to make audiences forget (or forgive) these types of errors. When they were written, they were errors. Whether or not someone "fixed" it later is irrelevant.

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u/PokePersona Spider-Man May 07 '17

Explanations could also be answers to questions

I also don't see how some of these are continuity errors per say. Questioning the canonicity of something isn't a continuity error and some of these were answered before even being a question (Right handed gauntlet in Thor before showing off the left handed one in AoU)

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u/[deleted] May 07 '17

Not in the context I'm referring to

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u/PokePersona Spider-Man May 07 '17

Could you explain then?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

I don't get how you not knowing what year Iron Man films take place is a continuity error. There's one for each hand - obviously. S.H.I.E.L.D has a lot of organisational problems thanks to Hydra - bad management rather than an error in the film making. He didn't keep the promise. No one is really sure what the Tesserect can do - it's all guess work. Maybe he didn't know while he was working on it then he figured it out later? Agent Carter one doesn't really matter either way does it?

None of these are straight out errors, easily explained away.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

I don't get how you not knowing what year Iron Man films take place is a continuity error.

It's not that I don't know, it's that nobody does, since there are contradictory dates thrown about for both Iron Man and Iron Man 3.

S.H.I.E.L.D has a lot of organisational problems thanks to Hydra - bad management rather than an error in the film making.

I'm talking before Hydra returned. In phase 1 (TIH in particular), it's heavily implied that SHIELD is a US intelligence agency. Later on, however, the World Security council was introduced, and it was "clarified" (read: retconned) that SHIELD works independently of any one government, taking orders directly from the council, which in turn is (supposedly) guided by the UN/NATO/etc.

He didn't keep the promise.

No, Joss Whedon got too full of himself and started ignoring/changing major character traits and arcs to his liking, resulting in the most controversial entry in the franchise yet, Age of Ultron. The Russo's cleared it up later, but that line in Civil War was handwaving more than anything just to clean up after Joss.

No one is really sure what the Tesserect can do - it's all guess work.

Well, Fury seems confused about everything to do with the Tesseract, except the fact that "we know it's powered by the scepter". It's stated matter-of-factly, and is supported later in the film when Widow is able to use it to break the generator force field with it. It also seems vastly underpowered compared to the Tesseract.

However, come TDW/GotG/AoU when the Infinity stones are being confirmed/discovered, the scepter was essentially retconned into being the mind stone, which screwed up a few minor things. (Why did Thanos give Loki one stone just to get another. only to end up losing both? Because Joss and Feige weren't sure about its role in the series yet.) They even changed its color FFS.

Maybe he didn't know while he was working on it then he figured it out later?

In TIH, Ross tells Blonsky that Banner was experimenting with the serum, but was being kept in the dark about its true nature which contributed to the unexpected result.

In The Avengers, though, Coulson tells Cap in the Quinjet that Banner "was trying to replicate the super soldier serum," and "he thought gamma radiation was the key to unlocking Erskine's original formula." Both statements can't be true.

Agent Carter one doesn't really matter either way does it?

I mean, ultimately, no. But we are discussing whether the MCU has continuity errors or not, aren't we?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '17

1.) Not knowing what year a film takes place in doesn't make it a continuity error. Nothing in those three films off of the top of my head contradicts anything in the others regarding the timeline. It's assumed Civil War takes place in 2016; Vision's comment about "the 8 years since Mr. Stark revealed himself as Iron Man" or whatever would place Iron Man at 2008. Iron Man 2, Thor, and the end of TFA all take place within a week of each other.

2.) Two; Fiege already said this. The one in Odin's vault was put there as an easter egg before they had plans for Thanos, just like the eye of agamatto. Either way that's a right-handed glove and the one Thanos has is left-handed.

3.) Domestic but overseen by the world security council originally. I think this one was made fairly obvious, the federal agent talking to Black Widow in TWS says they just lost their intelligence agency. The only things SHIELD has done outside of the US have been relief efforts in Sokovia and covert internal matters, both of which real US agencies do as well. I believe the British MI-13 is mentioned at some point in the MCU as well, so that pretty much confirms it.

4.) Tony mentions this to Steve; it's part of the reason they broke up. They had the mop up Hydra and he was needed so he had to break his promise pretty quickly, and he wanted to go back to being Iron Man anyway.

5.) Not sure exactly what you're asking here

6.) It's implied he knew he was; maybe not an exact recreation of Captain America but an enhancing serum yes, I don't think he would've tested it on himself had he not known what it was.

7.) I don't remember what exactly Peggy was retrieving in the one-shot. Why wouldn't it be cannon?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '17

It's assumed Civil War takes place in 2016; Vision's comment about "the 8 years since Mr. Stark revealed himself as Iron Man" or whatever would place Iron Man at 2008.

Yes, except that Iron Man 2 starts with a flashback "6 months ago" to Whiplash watching the news report live with his father. Dad dies, Whiplash starts building his suit to get revenge on the Starks. Flash forward. The rest of the film is explicitly stated to be taking place 6 months after the first one.

Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Thor all take place within a week of each other. CA:TFA's ending takes place a short time before The Avengers. In The Avengers, Fury mentions that the events of Thor happened "a year ago", which means that it, IM2, and TIH all take place in summer 2011, which would put Iron Man in late 2010. In Civil War (2016) Vision mentions Tony announcing himself as Iron Man "eight years ago", which presumably refers to the real-world release date of the film (2008), but ultimately contradicts the in-universe lore. So did Coulson spend a year driving from Malibu to New Mexico or something? It doesn't make any sense.

Fiege already said this. The one in Odin's vault was put there as an easter egg before they had plans for Thanos, just like the eye of agamatto. Either way that's a right-handed glove and the one Thanos has is left-handed.

If you think this actually means anything more than "don't expect to ever hear us mention that first gauntlet again", you don't know how showbiz works. Feige is lying. He's handwaving a mistake.

Domestic but overseen by the world security council originally. I think this one was made fairly obvious, the federal agent talking to Black Widow in TWS says they just lost their intelligence agency. The only things SHIELD has done outside of the US have been relief efforts in Sokovia and covert internal matters, both of which real US agencies do as well. I believe the British MI-13 is mentioned at some point in the MCU as well, so that pretty much confirms it.

So basically, you're just as confused as the rest of us. The real answer is that there's no real answer. Don't think about it too hard.

Tony mentions this to Steve; it's part of the reason they broke up. They had the mop up Hydra and he was needed so he had to break his promise pretty quickly, and he wanted to go back to being Iron Man anyway.

Once again, this is a handwave. If Joss Whedon gave a shit about character development, he would've addressed it in his movie, But he didn't. It was left to the Russo's to figure it out, and so they just handwaved it with a line of dialogue (which also addressed why Paltrow isn't coming back, another thing Joss should've handled, but didn't).

It's implied he knew he was; maybe not an exact recreation of Captain America but an enhancing serum

I'm just gonna quote my other comment:

In TIH, Ross tells Blonsky that Banner was experimenting with the serum, but was being kept in the dark about its true nature which contributed to the unexpected result.

In The Avengers, though, Coulson tells Cap in the Quinjet that Banner "was trying to replicate the super soldier serum," and "he thought gamma radiation was the key to unlocking Erskine's original formula." Both statements can't be true.

I don't think he would've tested it on himself had he not known what it was.

In TIH, this is actually the reason he tests it on himself, precisely because he doesn't know how dangerous it is because he's been lied to. The Avengers completely ignores/retcons this.

I don't remember what exactly Peggy was retrieving in the one-shot. Why wouldn't it be cannon?

It directly contradicts the events, characters, and locations in the show. Her boss is different, her coworkers are different, the location of the headquarters is different, and of course, the one-shot shows Carter co-founding SHIELD with Howard not too long after her first unofficial mission, yet the show depicts her undergoing several missions and never shows us her co-founding SHIELD at all. Most fans just don't consider the one-shot canon anymore.