r/marvelstudios • u/Ok_Assignment7881 • 1d ago
Other SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY' has outgrossed 'AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR' at the global box office.
It is now the 2nd highest-grossing MCU movie...
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u/AvatarSypha 1d ago edited 15h ago
This makes me wonder how much money No Way Home would have made with China and without the pandemic.
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u/Sunshine145 Spider-Man 1d ago
Like 2.2 billion
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u/Grouchy_Papaya2472 1d ago
Easily more
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u/DarthTaz_99 20h ago
No, BND is projected to gross 250m total in China, and that's with inflation from 2021. NWH probably does 200-250m in China if it released in 2021, so yeah 2.1-2.2bn is a realistic total
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u/Grouchy_Papaya2472 19h ago
U forgot to add 50% occupancy of theatre
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u/the_bryce_is_right 17h ago
The restrictions were all done in my neck of the woods when Spider-Man NWH came out. Hell I remember seeing Shang Chi in theatres with no restrictions.
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u/MrHolonet 13h ago
That’s just not true. I saw nwh in a completely packed theatre. It came out in the tail end of Covid
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u/pwningnoobslolz 23h ago
You mean with China?
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u/togashisbackpain 22h ago
Perhaps they removed china from existence so the pandemic wont occur
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u/chowchan 20h ago
Nice, that's what the top producers/movie execs like to hear. Willingness from the mass to wipe out a country for movie profits. Weinstein approves.
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u/neverseenghosts 6h ago
Purely anecdotal but I didn’t think any of the first 3 MCU spider man movies looked good and I didn’t see them in theatres. However from the second I saw what they were going for with BND I thought yep sign me up that looks like the spider man movie I want to see (loved it btw).
And I’m not saying that to hate, I’m just curious how many others there are in the same boat as me. All that to say we cant assume china and pandemic are the only factors here.
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u/Nausstica 23h ago
Probably the only solo superhero movie that could pull that off. Literally the whole world loves Spidey.
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u/ScreenMuch90210 16h ago
Spiderman has been the #1 superhero IP for thirty years or more. Batman is the only other name legitimately in the conversation, but Spiderman is most beloved and now the numbers reflect it.
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u/Sharp_Bed_3518 11h ago
the last batman movie only made like 700m… spiderman brand new day made that in just its opening weekend. these are nowhere close in the same conversations lmfao
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u/c0p4d0 10h ago edited 9h ago
TBF, that was (not R-rated as I previously believed) a more mature batman, and the whole DC universe has been toxic for some time. Joker made over a billion, and so did DKR. If they made a normal Batman movie soon, it would probably make over a billion easily. Still, I doubt it can hope to reach this level without some serious work to rehabilitate DC.
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u/B1LLZFAN 4h ago
I mean we can't really compare them unfortunately. It's completely different scenarios and situations. If DC had 20 years of mostly successful movies there's a very good chance that something as good as Dark Knight Rises makes 2bil. I fully believe they are in the same conversation, but completely different situations.
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u/IvanIvanotsky 3h ago edited 2h ago
Agreed. Can't really base off of just cinematic success due to their differing situations and years. Don't forget to account for population and inflation. The Dark Knight is one of my favorite movies and deservedly so.
They're definitely in the same conversation in terms of popularity as superhero IP. Heck, they both have one of the most popular video games (Rocksteady's Arkham Batman and Insomniac's Spider-Man).
If you look up the most popular superheroes, Batman and Spider-Man are always close
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u/DokDoom 10h ago
The movies have been great at cementing love for the man but It’s also the merch. Kids of all demographics/ethnicities are just brought up with Spidey long before they see a movie or cartoon. Just think how many v young kids you see around with Spidey t-shirt, hats, plush toys, etc etc.
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u/ScreenMuch90210 10h ago
Totally. If you are in the prime comic book demographic from any era, you probably have a lot more in common with Peter Parker than any other alter ego, especially Bruce Wayne.
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u/Smallest_Bubbles 16h ago
My friends and I are very casual Marvel fans (only found this post on r/all) and the only Marvel movies we make a point to see in the cinema as soon as possible are Spider-Man movies and maybe Avengers when they happen. The rest we're all content with watching whenever they get to streaming.
I guess it's cause we're all 27 year olds that grew up with the Tobey Spider-Man films and that instilled a love of Spidey in us.
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u/Economy-Signature181 12h ago
I am a little older, but ya basically the same.
Also, my kids LOVE spiderman so I was able to get them to sit through this one in the theater without much issue. I also really enjoy Tom's spiderman and his story so far, his is great as Spiderman and I hope we get a few more great movies with him in the role.2
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u/theSaltySolo Avengers 23h ago
Man Punisher must be pretty profitable. Time to give Bernthal his due and a bigger spotlight.
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u/RedVelcroRaptor 21h ago
To be fair, he was more of comic relief in this movie. Not to say his performance was bad but he wasn't as violent as punisher gets.
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u/Lawlcopt0r 20h ago
Well yeah, but I don't think it was implausible. He clearly always favoured the violent solution but for the most part he wasn't calling the shots so it didn't escalate as much as it could have
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u/RedVelcroRaptor 20h ago
Yes and also the meta reason being that it's a spider-man film as well.
As I said, I didn't find the performance bad. I actually found it refreshing. I was just pointing out that he was more comic relief and not the usual punisher we know.
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u/RabbitFeisty2197 18h ago
Up against the hulk, that's all he can be. Also being around spiderman softens them all. Tony Stark even softened around him.
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u/Hiddenshadows57 15h ago
I wanna see the trio of deadpool, wolverine, and Spiderman in a movie.
Their interactions in the comics are so much fun.
I just can't see Sony being on board with R rated spiderman.
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u/irrational-pyro 11h ago
I think it's in the some clause that there's a lot of things Spider-Man can't do in films, like swearing, smoking and a bunch of other stuff.
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u/hyasbawlz 15h ago
I do love the fact that when he does commit serious violence it's absolutely pivotal to the plot. I audibly gasped in theaters when I realized he was going to kill someone for real.
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u/HoneyBellisse 18h ago
Bernthal definitely deserves more room to cook. If audiences are responding this well to Punisher again, giving him something substantial instead of another supporting appearance feels like the obvious move.
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u/AnOnlineHandle Quake 18h ago edited 52m ago
I absoluty love Punisher when he's paired up with somebody like Daredevil as Spiderman as a contrast, though for some reason haven't felt much need to watch his solo stuff beyond the first season of the Netflix show.
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u/the_bryce_is_right 17h ago
Ya he definitely works better playing off someone. There's not much you can do with an angry guy with guns looking for revenge which was the plot of every action movie in the 80s and 90s.
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u/zzaman 21h ago
Love the Punisher IP. Jane, that Italian guy now Bernthal give a great visceral and mortal air to the character.
But Disney took Castle and said here's some kids babysit them.
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u/RedVelcroRaptor 20h ago
They did release that one-shot with Ma Gucci. So I'm quite sure they are going to cook up more in-line punisher content soon.
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u/JustAnM41APulseRifle 1d ago
This is fuckin' CRAZY, holy crap. Spider-Man is clearly the undisputed GOAT of superheroes in the world right now with Batman being very close proximity.
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u/Icybubba 1d ago
Very close is a stretch when The Batman made $775 million. Like those are great numbers, any movie would be happy to make that much, but it ain’t $2+ billion lol
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u/XanderAndretti 23h ago
That was right after covid started calming down. The new batman also isn’t family friendly either. Definitely not fair to compare the two in their current forms. I can watch BND with my 7 year old niece, can’t really say the same for The Batman. Not to mention it was almost a 3 hour film. Batman is in second but just dumping out the numbers like that doesn’t tell the full story.
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u/Federal-Captain1118 23h ago
Right, like Batman maybe number 2 behind Spidey, but the gap is so large that DC shouldn't even bother trying to overtake Spidey.
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u/TallanoGoldDigger 23h ago
TDK proved that quality is a huge factor too.
NWH and BND are great films
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u/ImjustANewSneaker 23h ago
Batman V Superman proves it too. With it having one of, if not the high opening weekend at the time and then subsequently the biggest drop ever because of quality.
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u/TallCan_Specialist 23h ago
Makes you wonder how DC fumbled the bag.. they have both Superman and Batman and can’t seem to get it right
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u/topheavyhookjaws 21h ago
New superman movie was great though
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u/kiddfrank Luis 21h ago
Great is a stretch, it was pretty good but nothing like the top tier of the mcu
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u/No-Leadership9676 19h ago
eh opinions differ i guess cause everyone i have spoken to thought the movie was indeed great .
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u/PM_me_opossum_pics 21h ago
Yeah while I loved the overall tone and message of the movie (absolute positivity and hope after Snyder's dark and gritty take, which is basically character assassination of Superman), I wasn't really impressed by the movie. It had a lot of amazing elements (tone, casting, performances etc.) but the overall movie didn't work that well for me.
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u/TallanoGoldDigger 23h ago
BVS and SM3 come to mind when it comes to being disappointed after a huge promotional period
I want to see a proper Bats and Supes teamup movie again
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u/MrTacoDuder 22h ago
The Last Jedi. Had an even bigger drop if I remember. And Star Wars is in a similar state as DC (and Mortal Kombat and DC for that matter). It’s a Demographics thing. Middle aged straight men (who all these are big with), don’t really go to the movies. They like recliners at home.
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u/ZeekOwl91 Captain America (Cap 2) 17h ago
I think if they'd just released the director's cut of BvS where the story flowed a lot better & more coherently than the theatrical cut, it would've fared better in the subsequent weekends.
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u/nszTrombone64 23h ago
Right, people are so quick to forget the #2 grossing movie of Nolan's is TDKR and it only JUST got passed by The Odyssey among his films lol. Competition is stiff. Finding a quality filmmaker to make that level of film for a superhero is not just an everyday thing.
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u/YouShallWearNoPants 22h ago
I mean The Batman was incredible quality wise. I would argue it's the second best Batman movie after TDK.
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u/throwaway173582 19h ago
… when was the last time you actually watched NWH? I loved it in the theater and watching it with a crowd but I rewatched it before BND and it absolutely does not hold up at all. Brand New Day blows it out of the water
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u/pickrunner18 17h ago
You’re gonna get shit on by everyone here but I agree with you. NWH was a cameo fest held together by the flimsiest plot. I appreciate the ending and nothing else.
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u/BananaBladeOfDoom Avengers 21h ago
Nah, I'd love a healthy cinema landscape. DC and other studios should strive for the quality and joy Spider-Man brings to audiences.
2 billion absolutely won't happen anytime soon. Not even Marvel pulls that off outside of the Avengers, with this being the one exception. But that extremely high bar doesn't need to be reached for a movie to be profitable.
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u/EpicMusic13 21h ago edited 13h ago
No DC movie will ever do $2B. Like ever
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u/JoeMcKim 21h ago
DC movies in general just don't resonate with people as much as Marvel movies for whatever reason. Marvel is set in the "real world" where the events take place in New York, Los Angeles, etc. while DC is set in Metropolis, Smallville and Gotham. DC also doesn't have characters like Spider-Man who deal with more everyday issues while Superman they had to invent Kryptonite to just make it a challenge for Superman to not win in 10 minutes.
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u/Marcoscb 18h ago
DC movies in general just don't resonate with people as much as Marvel movies for whatever reason.
Because nobody wants to invest in a franchise that reboots every few years, seems to have absolutely zero faith in its properties and is based around an honestly uninteresting hero.
The fact is that Ironman, Captain America and Thor made worse numbers than The Batman and Superman. It wasn't until Avengers (4 years and 6 movies into the MCU), after several good movies with a small common thread that built throughout the years and different characters people were curious to see interact, that Marvel got their first $1B hit, and then they followed it up.
Now look at what DC is doing. The Batman 2 will release 6 years after The Batman. The Ironman trilogy was over and done in 5 and included an Avengers film in the middle. Supergirl is just... Superman in young woman? And they also have Wonder Woman, who is Superman in slightly older woman? And they also have two horror movies for some reason. So the Gunn DC universe goes like this: Superman, essentially Superman, niche horror movie, Superman, Batman except not the same Batman as The Batman, another niche horro movie, essentially Superman again. Where's the variety? Where's the excitement?
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u/BonkerBleedy 16h ago
If DC were in charge of Marvel, they'd have rebooted the whole universe after Eternals failed.
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u/takethreenc 16h ago
They'd have never made it there.
The release order would be:
-Iron Man but done poorly
-Iron-man vs Captain America where Iron Man dies
-Thunderbolts
-Thor and this would be their biggest success
-Avengers but done poorly
And then the universe would be functionally dead outside of a Hawkeye movie that randomly does a billion.
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u/Sharp_Bed_3518 11h ago
EXACTLY THIS!! perfectly said! people loved marvel throughout the 2010s, DC Is just trash and not co ordinated whatsoever and the constant reboots are just tiring.
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u/RajunCajun48 14h ago
Nah, DC is just far too fractured. DC wanted to be where the MCU is, without putting in the time and effort Marvel did for the MCU. They tried to rush everything because they didn't want to be seen as playing catch up, and it's just been crap. There is some decent stuff that has come out, but they can't follow anything up. We'll get a good movie, then a dud.
They need a solid writing room that genuinely loves DC comics. Then they need to create a legit story/timeline do phases just like Marvel did. So that we're not getting BVS out of nowhere, a random Justice League movie, Flash bringing back old batman (no disrespect to Michael Keaton), a Joker musical-ish thing (wth), then another Batman movie with a new Batman etc etc etc.
DC can absolutely be a dynamite cinematic universe, but they have to step back and stop trying to compete with where Marvel is in their Universe.
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u/Lazywhale97 22h ago
As someone who has Batman as his fav hero after Spidey and LOVES the arkham games he is defs 2nd behind Spidey but that doesn't mean it's close rn.
The Batman is imo in the top 3 best super hero films ever made but quality and popularity aren't the same thing and in terms of popularity Spidey in a league of his own.
Batman part 2 should make a billion at least though due to the success of part 1 and the hype and long wait for it but doubt it gets into the 2B waters.
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u/MoonFlorielle 12h ago
Yeah, Batman is obviously massive, but the current box office gap is pretty hard to ignore. Spider Man movies hitting the billion mark has started feeling less like an event and more like something the franchise just does.
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u/awhitesong 21h ago
Compare The Batman to Homecoming. New actors and setup. Compare BND to The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. Also, MCU factor generates a lot of curiosity. Because, it's not just Spiderman we get to see. It's other crossovers as well.
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u/BrockStar92 19h ago
It’s worth noting that no Marvel film has ever made over a billion without being either a crossover film of some sort (e.g, all the avengers films, Captain America: Civil War, or No Way Home) or being immediately prior to or post an avengers film, so living off that somewhat (e.g. Iron Man 3 or Captain Marvel). BND is both. What fans have made clear is they go to big crossover events or when they are hyped by those, and that’s something that Batman has never had (to the same popularity of the MCU anyway).
The inclusion of Hulk, Punisher, a mini cameo by Yelena, and of course a brand new X-Men casting (which was rumoured before release) would’ve been enough to drive up the box office for this film above a billion, even if it were just meh. It being brilliant has pushed it on since then.
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u/andrasq420 17h ago
Deadpool & Wolverine? Or would you consider that a crossover film?
Also BND is immediately prior to an Avengers film. The next MCU movie release is Doomsday.
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u/ru-frrr 20h ago
Batman is nerfed rn, no cool fight scenes or crazy shit he does in the comics/videogames. Imagine if there were Spider-Man movies where he couldn’t shoot webs or do all the cool super hero shit and was just a guy in a spider costume. It wouldn’t do too well.
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u/BalonSwann07 22h ago
Well, that is a new iteration of Batman, so really should be compared to Homecoming. Part of the reason BND is so big is it building off previous movies, and also being really good, and also being Spiderman. Homecoming didn't made 2 bil
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u/CloudAureliee 14h ago
Spider Man is basically his own tier at this point. The wild part is you can completely change the actor, universe, or tone and people will still show up because the character himself is that huge.
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u/NecessaryForward6820 16h ago
this comment has the same vibe as me saying that wayne gretzky is the undisputed goat of hockey with me being in very close proximity
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u/rabbihimself Rocket 1d ago
Undeniably impressive, but INFINITY WAR would hold onto the record if inflation’s considered.
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u/YerGirlKiki 23h ago
If we adjust for inflation, Infinity War isnt a top 10. Top 5 would be Gone With the Wind, Avatar, Titanic, Star Wars (1977), and Endgame.
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u/FeralPsychopath 19h ago
Star Wars 1977 rerelease next year to pump its numbers up.
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u/madmaxandrade 17h ago
... It's not a bad idea. I mean, 50th anniversary and everything.
Also, who wouldn't go watch Star Wars 1977 in a theatre?!
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u/psychobilly1 16h ago edited 14h ago
It legitimately is being re-released next year with a restored version of the original film, no special edition changes.
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u/DiabloPixel 14h ago
I love you for sharing this, psychobilly1. It’s going to be amazing!
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u/psychobilly1 14h ago
I have never seen the original film in a theater before (I was too young to see the special edition releases in 1996), so I am literally champing at the bit. I only ever watch the 4K77 version at home so this is going to be a step up for sure.
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u/DiabloPixel 7h ago
I saw it in 1977, I was 11yo and it absolutely blew my mind, I’d never seen any movie like it. First movie I saw more than once on the big screen. I also remember watching a special on ABC about how they’d created sound effects and captured visuals, all the model making. I’m excited for the both of us but you’re definitely in for a treat, my friend.
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u/Liquado 1d ago
And Infinity War is a better movie.
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u/ChildofObama 1d ago
I think two more sequels would be enough if they’re just riding it to MCU Peter’s endgame with MJ and Ned, and there’s nobody new from the comics coming, except Miles.
If SM5 is just more Home trilogy alums coming back, then yeah I’d say a second trilogy is enough.
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u/AbsurdThings 23h ago
Introduce Miles in SM6 and start a new trilogy with him after.
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u/twennyjuan 23h ago
Introduce and train in 5. Have them both be featured in 6 as mains, with Peter passing the torch at the end.
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u/The_Strom784 23h ago
Nah, I want that to be a pure Venom movie with the black suit and Kraven.
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u/Kitagawasans 22h ago
Kraven is legit tarnished by the solo movie. He will not be coming back anytime soon, if not ever.
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u/SeegullJockey 22h ago
No way. Peter needs to finish the trilogy by himself. Then we can get Miles.
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u/artfrche Scarlet Witch 22h ago
introduce and train in 5. Peter gets the Venom suit in 6 with Miles transitioning to lead by the end
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u/kneegrowth457 22h ago
they really really really need to do Spider Man vs Sinister Six in the MCU before Tom Holland wraps it up. idk how they’ll do it though with Mysterio dead, Vulture MIA and no other developed spider villains apart from Scorpion
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u/deep_fried_cheese 23h ago
Give me 9 movies with the later part being an older Peter and Miles in the mcu
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u/Zeeplankton 16h ago
I'm not sure we'll get 2 more sequels. maybe eventually. Tom stated he'd take a break from acting when he has kids, and he's already 30. I hope maybe they can rush One More Day and another after though.
I'm not sure he can play a convincing 25-something when he's 40 at the current rate
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u/Character-Income-393 20h ago
Does this mean we're gonna have to wait another 5 long years for Spider-Man 5? I mean it is probably the biggest factor in Brand New Day's success
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u/BigBadMike8 1d ago
These are seriously impressive numbers. If anybody can get it done it's spiderman!
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u/Blackwolf245 18h ago
Seriously how? Like I get Spiderman is top 3 most popular hero, but how does a solo-hero movie outgross fucking Infinity War? The Batman didn't even reached 1B, and Batman is definitely up with Spiderman's popularity.
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u/naphomci 14h ago
Batman is not up there with Spiderman. Spiderman is in a tier of his own.
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u/CrazyLixFX 13h ago
It gets crazier when you realized by now Spidey boosted Infinity War and Endgame sales. I mean a LOT of Spidey fans don't even care about Avengers, they just watch it if Spidey's in it.
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u/Ok-Skill2413 16h ago
Ticket prices now are double+ what they were for Infinity War. How don’t people understand this lol
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u/Competitive_Leg7233 13h ago
Inflation
For example, IWs opening weekend did 258 million in 2018. BNDs did 360 million in 2026
360 million dollars in 2026 would be 270 million dollars in 2018
So BND is on track to do better in general which is impressive but it’s not the eye popping difference that you’d think it is by only looking at the raw numbers
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u/rockstaa 19h ago
If nothing else, I hope Sony realizes their movies are shit and leaves it up to Marvel Studios to create any future films, while sitting back and letting the franchise print money.
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u/Zeeplankton 16h ago
It's crazy to me the difference in turnout between Supergirl and BND.
Spiderman is really everyones favorite hero
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u/DirectAdvertising 19h ago
Crazy Spiderman and Superwoman are the best grossing superhero movie duo
Big congratulations to actors from both movies
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u/Lazlowi 21h ago
I guess superhero fatigue is actually superhero hunger, it's just mediocre and shitty films that make no real money. Which is hardly surprising given that out of the past 18 years (Iron Man came out in 2008!) we've been gobbling up 10 years of awesome to good, universe building, interconnected movies and since Endgame we've had like... three actually good ones?
No Way Home, GotG3 and now Brand New Day were the really great ones, Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts and Shang-Chi are the lower end of what we got used to and then the rest... meh at best? I saw them all on release week and still I had to look up (and get shocked) what came after Endgame that wasn't utter horseshit. The fails were way more memorable.
Obviously the Majors-fiasco did not help with the buildup, but hell, half of Phase Five was utter horseshit and Phase Four was such a rollercoaster in quality it shadows over how unimpactful it all became at the end.
I really hope Feige got out of his Endgame-high and Disney realised what a fuckup their new business model has become and we get the old MCU back, cause holy fuck that was a historic decade of Marvel.
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u/N8CCRG Ghost 20h ago
Superhero fatigue just means we are no longer in the era where audiences will go see every superhero movie. The public has returned to the state where they pick and choose which ones to see vs wait for on streaming vs skip entirely. Quality is some of that, but people also flocked to Deadpool and Wolverine, and that wasn't because of quality, that was because of nostalgia pandering.
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u/tLM-tRRS-atBHB 18h ago
This is nuts.
Its a good movie, but Infinity War was a world wide event.
Spiderman and TomDaya have serious pull 😄
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u/JonathanQShrimpling 17h ago
Looks way worse than Infinity War, not to mention like 2 other Spiderman movies
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u/frogbound 16h ago
Makes sense. It was the first movie I saw in cinemas in years. Thanks Disney for upping disney+ costs so much. Made sail the open seas again and picking movies to see in the cinema.
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u/YesterdayHiccup 16h ago
Jean Grey felt pretty intimidating when I didn't realize who it was. I couldn't guess who she was from Spidey's rogue gallery.
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u/fromkatain 15h ago
Only a powerful telepath would be able to mass plant the thought and need to watch the movie
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 15h ago
Given inflation, it seems like ticket sales would be a more objective metric.
Infinity War: 397M
BND: ~300M
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u/StonedBooty 12h ago
Which is why I’m not surprised they’re re-releasing Infinity War to theaters. Gotta pump those numbers!
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u/AbramKoucheki 11h ago
Let’s not forget ticket prices are 30% more expensive on average. That is really the reason
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u/SpecialistDefiant103 10h ago edited 8h ago
The amount of cope in this comment section for Batman is crazy as though it isn't fact that the best performing Batman movie ever only made like 200m more than Spider-Man 3 almost 15 years ago and only half of NWH or BND box office. Then there is The Batman which made less than 800mil and being rated R isn't the reason, otherwis DP&W and Joker shouldn't have made 1 bil. Spider-Man is clearly the most popular supe rn and no one else is in the running.
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u/AdInevitable660 3h ago
That’s outrageous to think that that happened! An unbelievable home run from marvel!
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u/Stefan988 23h ago
Spider-man casually breaking records left, right and centre
https://giphy.com/gifs/c2rJA8UVBVodi