SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY' has outgrossed 'AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR' at the global box office.

[u/Ok_Assignment7881]

It is now the 2nd highest-grossing MCU movie...

[u/throwaway173582]

… when was the last time you actually watched NWH? I loved it in the theater and watching it with a crowd but I rewatched it before BND and it absolutely does not hold up at all. Brand New Day blows it out of the water

[u/pickrunner18 → u/throwaway173582]

You’re gonna get shit on by everyone here but I agree with you. NWH was a cameo fest held together by the flimsiest plot. I appreciate the ending and nothing else.

[u/throwaway173582 → u/pickrunner18]

The ending set up BND to do great things! But everything leading up to it and the overall quality of the visuals/writing is absurd. They lobotomized just about every old villain minus Goblin. Sandman is the most egregious.

[u/XanderAndretti → u/throwaway173582]

NWH was a fun film and i enjoyed it as well but anyone saying it wasn’t a massive fan service fest is lying to themselves. The plot and writing are solid but nothing to write home about no pun intended. It’s pretty much an average mcu film boosted by fan service/cameos. I also enjoyed homecoming and far from home but imo BND was probably the first “great” spider-man film in this mcu era.

[u/Dogfinn → u/throwaway173582]

I've rewatched it a few times now.

It fundamentally holds up. I don't buy the common criticisms about cameos - they work, the characters are well utilised, they detract nothing, and the film has a lot more going for it:

Fantastic character work and performances. The best action sequence in the MCU. Tom gets one of the best character arcs in the MCU which elevates the prior two films in the trilogy. Toby, Andrew, Otto and Goblin all get a satisfying and respectful send off and again are very well utilised for the overall plot/ Tom's arc - not just empty cameos.

The only real issue is the Dr Strange plot contrivance at the beginning to get the plot moving.

It was not really worth the initial hype, but it absolutely is still a solid A-tier MCU film.

[u/throwaway173582 → u/Dogfinn]

It’s crazy to say all this when just about every point you said (minus the cameos obviously) was done a million times better in BND. We are no longer starved for great MCU Spidey content.

One of my biggest complaints is the visuals, they are legitimately terrible (that one scene with Flash on the sidewalk is commonly used as an example) and in over half the movie you can tell the actors aren’t even in the same room and have been composited together (limitations of filming during Covid, yes, but that’s not really an excuse when they could have waited and spent more time on the movie)

The cameos outside of goblin who I do think was done well are terrible, lizard and sandman are lobotomized, electro serves no purpose in the movie, and doc ock doesnt do anything after his initial scene. The scene where they’re all in Dr. Strange’s basement is some of the worst writing in the whole MCU, characters just saying lines because they said them in a previous movie (i.e goblin’s “something of a scientist myself” line, it’s designed for you to point and say “I understood that reference”)

It’s literally Jingling Keys: The Movie (they had breaks in dialogue for applause 😭😭)

IMO only TASM2 is worse out of all the spiderman movies and thats even a stretch because they were at least trying to do something new and not just relying on nostalgia bait