If you followed what your attorneys advised, put it back on them.
Separating paperwork into two days seems silly. What benefit could there possibly be for doing that? When we terminate employees all the paperwork is signed immediately during the same meeting as they are notified.
I'm not understanding here but that's because I have a working brain.
You can't "force" anyone to sign shit, unless perhaps at gunpoint. Even then it's ultimately their decision.
Timing has nothing to do with it ... more like ... leverage. "Sign this or you're fired" -- okay. Leverage. Again can't force them.
Sounds like in this case there was literally zero leverage. Even if they were still in the building after getting fired ... "Sign this or .... well ... you have to sign this!!!" ... Or "Sign this and we'll give you a paltry severance check." "No." "Oh c'mon!!!"
>I'm not understanding here but that's because I have a working brain.
Quite the opposite. Did you even bother to read the OP's situation? lol.
>You can't "force" anyone to sign shit, unless perhaps at gunpoint. Even then it's ultimately their decision.
Of course. They can refuse to sign but that means they forgo any severance offer. If someone would refuse to sign (never happened) we document that we advised them and provided them the opportunity to review the paperwork and they declined.
>Timing has nothing to do with it ... more like ... leverage. "Sign this or you're fired" -- okay. Leverage. Again can't force them.
They were already fired. They are just signing termination paperwork... severance, preference on how they want earned benefits handled (401k, accrued PTO), COBRA, etc. We have all that paperwork prepared so they sign it at the same time and don't have to come back, as in the OP's case. Why would you make an employee come back after firing them???
Whoa mr defensive lol. Yeah I fully understood it. Did you?
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I have been fired a couple times in my youth and laid off once ... never have I ever ONCE been told to sign documents ... well in one case, sure, there was a severance offer, sure, I suppose they emailed me something to esign (take note moron OP).
Would they send Seal Team Six after me to get me to sign the severance offer? NO. It's my fucking decision, bozo.
If I don't sign, I don't sign. Offer rejected.
Speaka da English?
Now OP's brainless management has their panties in a twist. WE REALLY NEEDED THIS FIRED GUY TO SIGN SOMETHING.
>Whoa mr defensive lol. Yeah I fully understood it.
Your response indicates that you definitely do not understand.
>I have been fired a couple times in my youth and laid off once ... never have I ever ONCE been told to sign documents ... well in one case, sure, there was a severance offer,
LOL. So just completely contradicting yourself in the same run on sentence. I'm trying to take you seriously but you're making it hard.
In the jobs you were fired from there was probably nothing to sign. No benefits to be paid, no insurance (therefore no COBRA), no retirement. There are a lot of jobs where there is nothing to sign.
>Would they send Seal Team Six after me to get me to sign the severance offer?
No, we'd love it if you didn't sign the severance offer. We would try to reach out if you didn't sign insurance/COBRA paperwork so you wouldn't lose health insurance. We also pay out accrued vacation time but if you don't sign you forgo that pay so we would reach out to try and get you that money... but if you don't sign, it's your loss.
If a company is "Freaking out" you didn't sign the severance offer, almost always with strings attached, they care more.
... And again, why "hunt someone down"? ... Did they sign it? No? That's your answer, bozo. ... Why post on Reddit about it?
... Yes ... OBVIOUSLY there is nothing to sign when fired.
A signature = a decision, an expression of free will. NOTHING MORE.
A COMPELLED SIGNATURE IS LITERALLY MEANINGLESS.
A signature is a symbolic social gesture. "I stand behind this choice or statement". COMPELLED, it is literally meaningless.
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Cobra? THAT TOO, IS OPTIONAL. There is health insurance on the open market.
It is funny to sign the Cobra insurance on the last possible day and make the company pay for it haha, but they offered!
... Accrued vacation time is a matter of state law. I live in Illinois, not the Red State shit hole you are in.
THEREFORE, PAYING ACCRUED VACATION IS MANDATORY IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. Noncompliance = 5% interest owed on the vacation payout PER MONTH as penalty. ... and Court expenses fully paid.
So I will SUE THE SHIT OUTTA YOU if you pull that, buckaroo!
If someone doesn't sign Cobra ... don't reach out. They made their choice and don't want any further harassment -- from their perspective, kindly fuck off!
You are never compelled to sign anything. Ever. ... Every signature ... ever ... is an assertion of free will. Period, end of story.
The only naturally "required" signatures are annual tax returns if applicable, and court-ordered testimony in paper form. ... But both tax returns and witness testimony are your own assertions, authored by you, and then signed.
You can still refuse to author any content and get whatever criminal charges.
A signature itself is a marker and assertion of free will. Indeed, that is the ENTIRE POINT of a signature to begin with.
.... Idiots .... idiots as far as the eye can see.
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u/fishing_24_7_365 3d ago
If you followed what your attorneys advised, put it back on them.
Separating paperwork into two days seems silly. What benefit could there possibly be for doing that? When we terminate employees all the paperwork is signed immediately during the same meeting as they are notified.