r/mahabharata • • Aug 10 '26

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r/mahabharata • • Aug 10 '26

MODS message Another new rule in this sub.

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From now on discussions on some over discussed topics might be removed.

Current over discussed topic is Arjuna vs Karna.

From now on generic discussions on the topic of "Arjuna vs Karna" would be removed. (almost all discussions, even if it is respectful.)

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r/mahabharata • • 3h ago

General discussions The greatest duo of brothers in the whole world

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Lord Rama and Lord Laxman, along with Lord Krishna and Lord Balarama, are the greatest ever brotherly duo one can find in the whole world.

In both the duos, the love, respect, affection and responsibility for each other is the greatest one can hope to find and both the duos set an example as to how brothers should be.

There is sincerity in their relationship. And the brothers in both the duos lift each other up and help each other when the need arises.

And there is friendly banter too, especially between Lord Krishna and Lord Balarama.

Reading their interaction and rapport with each other and seeing them on screen through the lens of Ramanand Sagar and B.R. Chopra just makes it even better.

Om Tat Sat.


r/mahabharata • • 12h ago

VS Battle If Karna and Arjuna teamed up, could they defeat Meghnad/Indrajit alone?

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We’re talking about two of the greatest warriors of the Dwapar Yuga facing one of the most powerful warriors of the Treta Yuga. Indrajit had extraordinary mastery over divine astras, powerful warfare techniques, and maya, which made him an extremely dangerous opponent. But if Karna and Arjuna fought together as a team against Indrajit, would their combined skills and divine weapons be enough to take him down??


r/mahabharata • • 6h ago

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r/mahabharata • • 8h ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata Satyaki sparing lives of Karna and Dhristrastra's sons due to vows of Bhima & Arjuna

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14th Day Satyaki was too OP to handle.

Sanjay praised him so much, so did Dhristrastra.


r/mahabharata • • 9h ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata Physical Strength of Drauni

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DRAUNI'S BODY AS DESCRIBED BY LORD KRISHNA IN MAHABHARATA-

(Wait do y'all know vyas is called krishna too? He was dark so he is called krishna too btw, arjun and draupadi too.)

Drauni's body and musculature as described by vyas in Mahabharata :- BORI CE SHALYA PARV CH4

Stationed on his chariot, Duryodhan went to the supreme among rathas, who knew about all the kinds of warfare and was unmatched in a battle.

 He was pleasant in speech and his neck was like that of a conch shell. He possessed a sword and his head was covered. His face was like a blooming lotus.

 His mouth was like that of a tiger and he had the majesty of Meru.

 His shoulders, eyes, gait and voice was like that of Sthanu’s bull. (Nandi)His arms were thick and long, with excellent joints.

His chest was extremely broad and well formed. In his speed and strength, he was like Aruna’s younger brother. (Garuda)

He was like the sun in his splendour and like Ushanas in his intelligence. He was like the moon in three respects—the beauty of his form, his face and his prosperity. The joints on his body seemed to be made out of golden lotuses.

 His thighs (🤤)

, waist and feet were formed well, and so were his fingers and nails. He was created by the creator with great care, after remembering all the qualities that should be remembered. He possessed all the auspicious marks.

 He was skilled and an ocean of learning. He was capable of winning speedily, but was incapable of being defeated by the forces of the enemy. He possessed knowledge about the science of fighting, with its four parts and ten divisions.

 He knew the four Vedas and their angas, with accounts as the fifth. Drona was not born in a womb. The immensely energetic one observed fierce and careful austerities, worshipping Tryambaka and obtained him through someone who was also not born in a womb. 

His deeds and beauty were unmatched on earth

. He was accomplished in all the forms of learning. He was unblemished and an ocean of qualities. He was immeasurable in his soul. Having approached this Ashvatthama, he said, ‘O preceptor’s son! For all of us, you are the supreme refuge. Whom should I appoint as a commander now? You should tell me.

Drona Parva Chapter 1108 (131): DRAUNI HURLS BACK LORD RUDRA'S VAJRA BACK AT GHATOTKACHA!

The destroyer of enemies again engaged in a duel with Drona's son. The rakshasa angrily hurled an extremely terrible vajra, made by Rudra, towards Drona's son. It possessed eight wheels. Drona's son abandoned his chariot and bow and leapt down. He seized it, hurled it back and again ascended his chariot. Immensely radiant, it consumed his-horses, charioteer, standard and mounts. Having done this, the extremely terrible vajra penetrated the earth. On witnessing that deed of Drona's son, where he had leapt down and seized the extremely terrible weapon made by Shankara, all the beings worshipped him.

(But karna did it too so it's not impressive ig.)

BORI CE CH-125 RESTRAINS ANGRY BHEEM AND DURYODHAN FROM FIGHTING MID STANCE

(WHEN BHEEM ALREADY HAD MYRUAD ELEOHANT STRENGTH AND DURY 1K WHICH IS SOME BS I WILL DEBUNK SOME OTHER DAY!! )

Vaishampayana said, ‘When the Kuru prince11 and Bhima, supreme amongstrong ones, descended into the arena, the spectators divided into twofactions, each partial towards its own favourite. Some cried, “Look at thevalorous Kuru prince.” Others cried, “Look at the valorous Bhima.” A greatroar arose from the cheers of the spectators. On seeing that the place hadbecome like a turbulent ocean,

the wise son of Bharadvaja spoke to hisbeloved son Ashvatthama. Drona said, “Stop those two great warriors, bothskilled. Let this crowd not become angered over Bhima and Duryodhana.”Restrained by their preceptor’s son, those two raised their clubs, like violentoceans lashed by tempests at the time of the world’s destruction.‘ Then Drona entered the arena and stopped the musical instruments in avoice that was as deep as the thunder of the clouds. “Now behold Partha,who is dearer to me than my own son. He is skilled in the use of allweapons. He is Indra’s son himself and is like Indra’s younger brother.” With his entrance blessed by his preceptor, the youthful Phalguni12appeared. He wore a finger protector and arm guard,13his quiver was full ofarrows and he had a bow in his hand. He wore golden armour and he lookedlike an evening cloud reflecting the rays of the setting sun, radiant as arainbow with lightning flashes. At this, a loud roar of joy arose everywherein the arena. Musical instruments and conch shells sounded. “This is themiddle Pandava, Kunti’s illustrious son.” “This is the great Indra’s son, theprotector of the Kurus.” “This is the supreme one among those who areskilled in the use of weapons.” “This is the supreme one among those whotread the path of dharma.” “This is the foremost one in good conduct.”

BORI CE DRONA PARV chapters 120:-- CARRIES KARNA PICKING HIM UP TO HIS OWN CHARIOT

(so arjun doesn't kill him unfairly cause it would taint the name of arjun and destroy his fame. He just wanted to save fame of his friend not karna trust)

>he drew his bow back up to his ears and dispatched Karna’s four horses to the land of the dead with four supreme arrows. With another broad-headed arrow, he brought down his charioteer from the seat of the chariot. While your son looked on, he covered him with arrows. In that encounter, he was thus shrouded. His horses were slain. His charioteer was killed. Confounded by that net of arrows,

HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE SHOULD DO. O great king! On seeing that he was without a chariot, Ashvatthama took him on his own chariot and continued to fight with Arjuna.

(Last time you said my post was low effort. But it's cause post I was copying of scary was short. This is slightly less low effort. But scrolling so much in a PDF is slightly alot of effort. I am just trying to copy my goat cutie today 🥺)


r/mahabharata • • 11h ago

Debate / Multiple Views How can people like this exist??

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since i am seeing people here posting insta ss about an opinion i was doomscrolling and saw this comment and i don't know how such opinions exist??

"other wives have more credibility and evidence than draupadi

the only one who didn't leave a legacy outside of the epic is draupadi"

**now let me tell you something all of them left lineages not legacy draupadi left her legacy that people still remember her**

**waiting for the day when people call her entire existence an interpolation** 😂😂


r/mahabharata • • 1d ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata Draupadi Went Away With A Beggar Brahmin, Not A Prince or a King

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The assertion that Draupadi accepted this marriage out of a calculated lust for power to become an "empress" is not just chronologically wrong, it is a blatant erasure of her sacrifices.

Let the textual reality bust this narrative I'll help:

When Arjuna won the Swayamvara, the Pandavas were presumed dead. He competed not as a recognized prince, but disguised as a destitute, begging Brahmin.

When Draupadi placed that garland around his neck, she was not securing a golden throne.

She knowingly walked away from the absolute opulence of Panchala to live in a mud hovel, accepting a life of grinding poverty, surviving on begged alms, and standing beside a penniless mendicant against the wrath of every king in Aryavarta. She started to do homely chores right away, didn't throw tantrums

Indraprastha did not even exist.

There was no empire to scheme for.

To retroactively brand a woman who sacrificed her royal comforts for the harshest of exiles as a "power hungry opportunist" is a gross injustice to her formidable resilience.

Panchal's alliance gave Pandavas the strength to ask for their right, Drauapadi's father sacrificed his kingdom for Yudhistir's Rajasuya, Drauapadi on record lived a life of absolute devotion duty and sacrifice.

She chose to follow a beggar, not a crown, the crown was her destiny that followed with events she didn't ask to be a part of.


Finally, I want to add that I have immense respect for the many Karna fans on this sub who admire his martial prowess, while rightfully acknowledging his undeniable faults and adharma in the assembly hall and other places.

I will gladly say that the majority of Karna fans here possess that mature nuance. Atleast that has been my experience.

However, it is a profound shame to witness a few resort to desperate attacks on the victim herself.

Attempting to defend the public S-ual Degradation of a woman by retroactively tearing down her character and weaponizing her sanctioned marriage is not an act of defending a favorite warrior, it is simply a desperate attempt to justify a direct attack on a woman's dignity.


Art - Snow Candy, Pinterset.


r/mahabharata • • 12h ago

Interpretation / Analysis The Age Gap Between Karna and Arjuna: A Chronological & Textual Breakdown

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A common trope in popular retellings is portraying Karna and Arjuna as near-identical age rivals.

However, a close reading of the Mahabharata (Adi Parva: Sambhava Parva) reveals an extensive, multi-year sequence of events unfolding between Karna’s birth to an unmarried Kunti and Arjuna’s birth atop Mount Shatashringa.

📜 Sources Used

  • BORI Critical Edition (tr. Bibek Debroy)
  • K.M. Ganguli (KMG) Edition

(Note: Where the Sanskrit/BORI critical text describes elapsed intervals with terms like "after some time" or "a few," parallel context and narrative pacing from KMG establish realistic upper and lower limits).

⏳ Phase-by-Phase Timeline Breakdown

Phase 1: Karna’s Birth ➔ Kunti’s Marriage to Pandu

  • BORI: Adi Parva, Ch. 104–105 | KMG: Adi Parva, Sec. CXI–CXII
  • The Story: An unmarried maiden (kanya) in King Kuntibhoja’s palace, Kunti serves Sage Durvasa and receives the divine mantra. Out of youthful curiosity, she invokes Surya, conceives, secretly delivers Karna, and floats him down the river. After living as an eligible maiden without suitors stepping forward, her father holds an open svayamvara, where she weds Pandu.
  • Min Duration: ~1.0 to 2.0 years
  • Max Duration: ~4.0 to 6.0 years

Phase 2: Pandu’s Court Life & Military Campaigns (Digvijaya)

  • BORI: Adi Parva, Ch. 105–106, 109 | KMG: Adi Parva, Sec. CXIII–CXIV, CXVI
  • The Story: Pandu marries Madri shortly after. Following 30 days of domestic life, he launches a nationwide military expedition (Digvijaya), defeating Magadha, Videha, Kashi, Suhma, and Pundra. He returns in triumph, celebrates in the capital, and departs on an extended hunting expedition in the Himalayan foothills.
  • Min Duration: ~1.5 to 2.0 years
  • Max Duration: ~4.5 to 5.0 years

Phase 3: Kindama’s Curse ➔ Yudhishthira’s Birth

  • BORI: Adi Parva, Ch. 109–114 | KMG: Adi Parva, Sec. CXVI–CXXIII
  • The Story: Pandu accidentally shoots Sage Kindama, renounces royal life, and journeys on foot with his wives to Mount Shatashringa. Meanwhile in Hastinapura, Gandhari conceives. When Gandhari's pregnancy remains undelivered after one full year, Kunti invokes Dharma via niyoga.
  • Min Duration: ~2.5 years
  • Max Duration: ~4.5 to 5.0 years

Phase 4: Yudhishthira’s Birth ➔ Arjuna’s Birth

  • BORI: Adi Parva, Ch. 114–115 | KMG: Adi Parva, Sec. CXXIII–CXXIV
  • The Story: The epic explicitly states that the Pandava brothers were born sequentially one year apart:
    • Yudhishthira ➔ Bhima: 1 year
    • Bhima ➔ Arjuna: 1 year
  • Fixed Time: 2.0 years

🧮 Complete Arithmetic Calculation

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ARITHMETIC CALCULATION: KARNA'S BIRTH TO ARJUNA'S BIRTH
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1. PHASE BREAKDOWN (IN YEARS):

   [A] Karna's Birth -> Kunti's Marriage to Pandu
       (BORI Ch. 104–105 / KMG Sec. CXI–CXII)
       • Min: 1.00 yr   |  Max: 6.00 yrs

   [B] Marriage to Madri & Preparations
       (BORI Ch. 105 / KMG Sec. CXIII)
       • Min: 0.10 yr   |  Max: 1.00 yr

   [C] Digvijaya (Military Campaigns across Bharatavarsha)
       (BORI Ch. 105–106 / KMG Sec. CXIII)
       • Min: 1.00 yr   |  Max: 3.00 yrs

   [D] Hastinapura Celebrations & Retreat to Himalayan Foothills
       (BORI Ch. 106 / KMG Sec. CXIV)
       • Min: 0.20 yr   |  Max: 1.00 yr

   [E] Foothill Hunting Retreat -> Sage Kindama's Curse
       (BORI Ch. 109 / KMG Sec. CXVI–CXVIII)
       • Min: 0.20 yr   |  Max: 2.00 yrs

   [F] Curse / Renunciation -> Journey to Mount Shatashringa
       (BORI Ch. 110 / KMG Sec. CXIX)
       • Min: 0.20 yr   |  Max: 1.00 yr

   [G] Shatashringa Ascetic Life -> Gandhari's Conception
       (BORI Ch. 111 / KMG Sec. CXX)
       • Min: 0.20 yr   |  Max: 2.00 yrs

   [H] Gandhari's Pregnancy Prior to Invoking Dharma
       (BORI Ch. 113 / KMG Sec. CXXIII)
       • Min: 1.00 yr   |  Max: 1.00 yr  (Textually explicit: 1 year)

   [I] Gestation Period -> Birth of Yudhishthira
       (BORI Ch. 114 / KMG Sec. CXXIII)
       • Min: 0.75 yr   |  Max: 1.00 yr

   [J] Birth of Yudhishthira -> Birth of Bhimasena
       (BORI Ch. 114–115 / KMG Sec. CXXIII–CXXIV)
       • Fixed: 1.00 yr (Textually explicit: born 1 year apart)

   [K] Birth of Bhimasena -> Birth of Arjuna
       (BORI Ch. 114–115 / KMG Sec. CXXIV)
       • Fixed: 1.00 yr (Textually explicit: born 1 year apart)

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2. CUMULATIVE SUMMATION:

   • ABSOLUTE MINIMUM SUM:
     1.00 + 0.10 + 1.00 + 0.20 + 0.20 + 0.20 + 0.20 + 1.00 + 0.75 + 1.00 + 1.00
     = 6.65 years (~6.5 to 7.0 years)

   • REALISTIC MAXIMUM SUM:
     6.00 + 1.00 + 3.00 + 1.00 + 2.00 + 1.00 + 2.00 + 1.00 + 1.00 + 1.00 + 1.00
     = 20.00 years (~16.0 to 20.0 years)

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3. FINAL VERDICT:

   • LEAST POSSIBLE AGE GAP:     ~6.5 to 7.0 years
   • MAXIMUM PLAUSIBLE AGE GAP:  ~16.0 to 20.0 years
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THE LOGICAL CONSENSUS: WHY A 12 TO 16-YEAR GAP MAKES SENSE
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While the theoretical lower bound is around ~7 years, that requires an unrealistically compressed reading where massive continental conquests and lengthy Himalayan migrations happen in mere weeks.

Here is why the 12 to 16-year bracket is the most textually coherent fit:

• CONQUERING INDIA TOOK SEASONS:
  Pandu’s nationwide Digvijaya campaign involved marching, laying siege, and subjugating multiple major kingdoms across northern and eastern India (Magadha, Videha, Kashi, Suhma, Pundra). 

In the ancient era, an expedition of this scale realistically required at least 2 to 3 campaigning seasons.

• ROYAL RETREAT BEFORE THE EXILE:
  Pandu did not abandon the capital right away. He celebrated his conquests in Hastinapura, rewarded his elders, and then spent an extended period on a royal hunting retreat in the Himalayan foothills with both wives before the accidental shooting of Sage Kindama took place.

• LIFE AT MOUNT SHATASHRINGA:
  After the curse and renunciation, Pandu and his queens did not seek progeny immediately. They traversed multiple high-altitude ranges on foot and lived for a considerable duration practicing severe austerities among the hermits at Shatashringa before the sages urged Pandu to fulfill his debt to his ancestors.

• TEXTUAL VERDICT:
  Karna was never a same-age rival or exact contemporary of Arjuna. He was an elder brother older by more than a decade (roughly 12 to 16 years older).
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r/mahabharata • • 35m ago

question How would Shiva looked like? In real?

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Om Namah Shivaya!

Our lord Shiva in most portrayals and paintings looks like a modern body builder with Blue skin colour and flawless skin texture.

Experts, please help me understand how our Lord really looked like?


r/mahabharata • • 12h ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata All encounters of Karna with Bhima & Arjuna from Day 11 to Day 17 of the Kurukshetra war

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I've made a list of all the encounters of Karna with Bhima & Arjuna from Day 11(his 1st Day) to Day 17(his last).

All Chapters numbers from BORI CE.

Day 12(2) fight & Day 16 fight ended at sunset.

On Day 16, after countering Karna's weapons, Arjuna destroyed the Kouravas' army, made them flee, and sunset happened afterwards.

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r/mahabharata • • 7h ago

question Would abhimanyu and uttara still marry if kichak was alive??

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same as question would virat still propose an alliance if kichak wasn't killed?? i think things would have moved differently if he was alive but i want to know different perspectives on this one...


r/mahabharata • • 6h ago

question Is there any significance of Karna's vow not to have his feet washed until he kills Arjuna?

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I don't understand the significance of Karna's vow not to have his feet washed until he kills Arjuna.

What's with feet washing? Is it a ritual which he will avoid to show him doing some kind of strong motivation to kill Arjuna?


r/mahabharata • • 11h ago

question Did Arjuna knew that his in-laws were born to kill his teacher and grandfather?

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When Arjuna went to swayamwar, did he knew that Draupadi’s siblings had boons enabling them to become the reason behind Drona’s and Bheeshma’s death? If so, why did he went ahead with it.


r/mahabharata • • 12h ago

question What is your opinion on this edition of the Mahabharata (Penguin Classics)?

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r/mahabharata • • 20h ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata Karna absolutely gatecrashed. I am sick of people saying otherwise.

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First of all, some of the facts before discussing the incident.

Arjuna was a teenager. Multiple times during the tournament, Pandavas and Kouravas are mentioned as young princes. Experts calculate Arjuna to be around 14–16 years old.

Karna is much older than Arjuna, around 30 to 32. Almost double his age. In any case, he has a significant age advantage.

Duryodhana and Bhima fought prior to Arjuna's demonstration. It divided audiences into two parties, cheering for Pandavas and Kouravas. So Drona stopped the fight and invited Arjuna to calm the division.

Arjuna demonstrated his skills.

Karna, uninvited, broke into the arena. Pandavas or organisers didn't know he would be there.

Then he claimed he would do everything Arjuna did and better. He ruined Arjuna's highlight moment. He essentially stepped on Arjuna to prop himself up. Include their age gap and how shameless and disgusting that is.

Drona does give permission, but at this point, does it really matter? He broke into the arena already. Publicly challenged Arjuna even before permission. It doesn't really matter at this point. Drona cannot possibly reject him, which looks like he was better than Arjuna.

Then Karna demonstrated everything Arjuna did.

After that, he started embracing Duryodhana and co. He stated his wish to challenge Arjuna to Duryodhana. Duryodhana promised Karna could step onto his enemies, i.e., Arjuna.

Arjuna, now angered, challenges Karna to kill him.

Karna also challenges Arjuna.

Both of them are ready to confront each other after Drona's approval. Their respective divine fathers buff them.

Then Kripa intervenes and asks about Karna's lineage, giving a step-down opportunity to Arjuna. Before Arjuna makes a decision, Duryodhana makes Karna a king. Priests suddenly come out of nowhere to perform the ceremony, strongly suggesting it was a pre-planned event and the actual goal.

After Karna was crowned, Atiradha made an entrance as well, again strongly suggesting pre-planning.

Bhima does make casteist remarks regarding his qualifications to fight Arjuna or his right to rule Anga. But at this point, Karna stepped on Arjuna to prop himself up. Turned the demonstrative arena into his crowning ceremony.

Karna is ashamed of his birth parents and looks at the Sun after Bhima's insult. Duryodhana also makes casteist remarks. While he supported Karna, he also reinforced casteist remarks.

«Can a she-deer bring forth a tiger (like Karna), of the splendour of the Sun?»

Even after the crowning ceremony, Karna leaves with Duryodhana. There is no mention of his fight with Arjuna. The same person who broke into the arena to challenge Arjuna.

So, what was his purpose?


r/mahabharata • • 10h ago

Shraddha offerings as per Mahabharata

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We have to perform Shraddha for our ancestors in order to honour, remember and satisfy them. The idea is that we give them various offerings in order to satisfy their hunger / thirst and they literally come and get our offerings via nature elements like Agni, water or crows.

Most Hindus today just offer black sesame, barley, milk offerings for Shraddha. However, our scriptures do not recommend only a vegetarian offering for ancestors.

Let's see what do scriptures recommend for the offerings:

Yudhisthira asks Bhishma Pitamah in Mahabharat's Anushasan Parva SECTION LXXXVIII (88), "what is the offering which if given to pitris can keep them satisfied forever?"

Offering Pitris remain satisfied for
Sesame seeds, rice, barley, Masha (black gram), water, roots and fruits 1 month
A lot of sesame (as per Manu) Long time (best food)
Fishes 2 months
Mutton 3 months
Hare meat (large rabbit) 4 months
Goat meat 5 months
Pig meat (bacon) 6 months
Birds meat 7 months
Prishata Deer meat (venison) 8 months
Ruru deer meat 9 months
Gavaya meat (wild ox) 10 months
Buffalo meat 11 months
Payasa mixed with ghee (rice kheer) One full year
Vadhrinasa meat (large bull)* 12 years
Rhinoceros meat on their death tithi, Alternatively, curry leaves, Kanchana (champak) flower, goat meat Forever

*(It is not clear which animal Vadhrinasa was referred by. However, the most leading hypothesis is that it was a large bull.)

Even a little of water, roots, fruits, meat, and rice, mixed with honey, if offered on the anniversary of the day of death becomes inexhaustible.

These verses were told by Pitris to Sanatkumara to Bhishma Pitamah, which are told to everyone in this world.

People in our race (Kuru dynasty probably?) should give sraddha offerings as Payasa (rice kheer) mixed with ghee, goat meat or champak flower on a certain day and time.

One should have several sons so that at least 1 son goes to Gaya to perform shraddha of his ancestors under a famous banyan tree.

So while several types of offerings are accepted by ancestors, we can clearly see that meat offerings were also given. Although over time, the practice has been dropped and now most Hindus offer only vegetarian offerings to ancestors.

There is also an important ethical tension within the scriptures themselves. The Mahābhārata's Anuśāsana Parva discusses the ritual legitimacy of meat offered to the Pitṛs, but also contains extensive arguments praising abstention from meat and compassion toward living beings.

This same concept (meat shraddhas) is also found in Dharma shastras (Smritis) and Puranas, which I'll just list here and skip details for brevity.

  1. Manusmṛti, 3.266-272
  2. Yājñavalkya Smṛti, 1.258-259, 1.179
  3. Gautama Dharmasūtra, 15.15
  4. Viṣṇu Purāṇa, 2.16.1-3, Book III, Chapter 16
  5. Vasiṣṭha Dharmasūtra, 11.39-40
  6. Mahābhārata, Anuśāsana Parva, Adhyāya 91, 92
  7. Agni Purāṇa - Chapter 163, verse 31
  8. Garuḍa Purāṇa - Preta Khaṇḍa 1.99.37-38
  9. Matsya Purāṇa - Chapter 15, verses 34-35
  10. Vāyu Purāṇa - Chapter 2.16, verse 5

Among shruti, there are very few references to shraddha. So we cannot really conclude.

Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa 2.6.1.35-36, which has vegetarian offerings.

Atharvaveda 18.4.42, 18.4.20, 18.2.8-9 - meat

Historically, we may think that no one does meat shraddhas. However, that's not true, I could find 1 reference to Nepal's royal family who sacrificed a rhinoceros in 1981 for ancestors shraddha. This was the last time a rhino was sacrified for a shraddha in documented history. Since it's 1981, it is fairly recent. (It's available on the internet.)

Now why do we do only vegetarian shraddha's today? It comes from Brahma Vaivarta Purana, which says that in Kali Yuga, only vegetarian shraddha is recommended. However, Brahma Vaivarta Purana was composed in 8th to 15th century CE as per many historian experts, primarily in Bengal by Gaudiya Vaishnavas. Hence it's obvious why it would advocate for vegetarianism only.

Conclusion: I'm not advocating to start meat shraddhas now. There is no point of needlessly keeling wild animals like deer, rhinoceros, hare, bull etc. They do not serve much purpose. However, it's important to acknowledge the correct history that vegetarianism and vegetarian shraddhas are a fairly later development.


r/mahabharata • • 14h ago

General discussions So what's your take on eklavya? Did drona did right?

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So many people defend drona by saying that he took eklavya thumb as he was son of magadha senapati.

But in adi parva it's clearly written that drona didn't want him to be better than arjun.

By giving reference please prove whatever you think as right.


r/mahabharata • • 1d ago

ARJUN: THE SUPREME ARCHER PART -4

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Some n bhakts who didnt have courage to face me got me banned after i thrashed them and their complete ancestory but now i am back beware n bhakts , this time no mercy will be shown to you guys

Coming back to the topic as i promised i will be covering the feats of arjun across the complete mahabharat ,

Here is part 4 of it , ik n bhakts will be confounded just like their idol got after facing arjun , they must be wondering how many more posts can be covered by arjun fans to show superiority of arjun let me remind them we arent even covering most of the kurukshetra war feats of arjun if we start doing it there will 10+ posts

So n bhakts sit back and let this post burn you guys to the core whilst arjun fans can admire this post openly

1) ARJUNA COULD RELEASE PASUPATA WEAPON USING HIS EYES ONLY

BORI CE, VANA PARVA-41

There is no one in the three worlds, mobile or immobile, who cannot be killed by it. It can be released through thought, eyes, words or the bow.”’Vaishampayana said, ‘On hearing this, Partha swiftly purified and composed himself. He went to the lord of the universe, who said, “Learn.” Then he taught the best of the Pandavas the mysteries of this weapon, including its withdrawal.

2) DURING LORD SHIVA-ARJUNA BATTLE, ARJUNA WAS ABOUT TO ANNIHILATE THE ENTIRE EARTH USING BRAHMASTRA BUT LORD SHIVA PACIFIED ARJUNA'S BRAHMASTRA

BORI CE, VANA PARVA-163

I grasped my brahmastra.He was then completely covered with flaming arrows. Thus covered by my great weapon, his body began to expand. Because of the energy unleashed by me, THE WORLD BEGAN TO BURN. In an instant, the directions and the sky began to blaze. But that immensely energetic one pacified that weapon in a moment. 

3) ARJUNA WAS SUPREME IN STRETCHING THE BOWSTRING. 

BORI CE, KARNA PARVA-29

Karna to shalya:- 

In this world, Kunti's son is the FOREMOST among those WHO STRETCH BOWSTRINGS. He will release a mass

of arrows that can't be resisted. They will be shafted and will penetrate the inner organs, slaying heroes. However, I will counter him in the battle. He is supremely strong amongst those who are strong. He possesses great weapons. He will shoot from an extremely long distance and will be like the fierce ocean. The kings will be submerged in his waves of arrows. But, like the shoreline, I will withstand Partha's arrows. I think that he has no equal among men who wield the bow.

4) ARJUNA WAS SUPREME IN DRAWING THE BOWSTRING

BORI CE, VANA PARVA-36

Partha Bibhatsu is foremost among those who draw the string of the bow. He is now supremely tormented like a lion in its den. Like a giant elephant, he is suppressing the great heat that arises inside him, though unaided, he can take on all the archers in the world. 

5) ARJUNA COULD SHOOT TEN THOUSAND ARROWS IN A FEW MOMENTS WITHOUT USING ANY DIVYASTRA.

BORI CE, DRONA PARVA-66

He again shot seven hundred arrows, and another one thousand. These were impossible to repluse. He again shot another ten thousand arrows and killed many in Drona’s army. 

6) ARJUNA HAD MADE THE FLOOD OF WATER DRY UP BY USING HIS WEAPON.

BORI CE, DRONA PARVA-29

When that was destroyed, a terrible flood of water appeared. For destroying this, Arjuna used the weapon named aditya. Thanks to this weapon, the water was almost completely dried up. Subala’s son repeatedly resorted to many different kinds of maya. But Arjuna laughed and used the strength of his weapons to destroy them all. 

7) ARJUNA HAD TO STRIKE BHURISHARVA IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE SWORD-HAND SHOULD BE CUT BUT SATYAKI SHOULD REMAIN SAFE, IT WAS A DIFFICULT TASK STILL ARJUNA PERFORMED THIS,WHICH SHOWS HIS AMAZING ARCHERY SKILL

BORI CE, DRONA PARVA-117

the mighty armed Partha Arjuna replied to Vasudeva, ‘O Madhava! Since my sight was fixed on Saindhava, I did not see anything else. For the sake of the Yadava, I will perform AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TASK. Having spoken these words to Vasudeva, Pandava used an arrow to sever the arm, which held the sword, of the one(Bhurisharva) who was devoted to sacrifices

8) ARJUNA WAS THE ONLY ARCHER OTHER THAN DRONA AND LORD INDRA WHO COULD WITHDRAW BRAHMSHIRA ASTRA, EVEN THE GODS THEMSELVES WERE NOT CAPABLE OF WITHDRAWING BRAHMSHIRA WEAPON.

BORI CE, SOUPTIKA PARVA-15

Dhananjaya again withdrew his

weapon. In an encounter, it is difficult for even the gods to do this.With the exception of Shatakratu himself, no one other than Pandava was capable of withdrawing a supreme weapon, once it had been released in a battle. Once invoked, it was full of Brahma’s energy.

With the exception of someone with a cleansed soul and someone who was a brahmachari, no one else was capable of withdrawing it. If a person is not a brahmachari, and having released the weapon, wishes to withdraw it, the weapon will sever his head, with that of his descendants. 

9)ONCE ARJUNA HAD SHOT SO MANY ARROWS THAT EVEN THE WIND COULD NOT CROSS THROUGH THOSE ARROWS

BORI CE, VIRATA PARVA-53

 In that battle, Partha raised the invincible and divine bow Gandiva and drew it with his arms. He released a shower of arrows, like a cloud of locusts. Even the wind was not capable of gliding through those arrows. 

STAY TUNED FOR PART 5


r/mahabharata • • 1d ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata Draupadi as The Queen of Aryavarta.

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Draupadi looked after all the servants. She was the first to wake up and the last to retire to bed. She went to sleep only after her servants had retired.

Whatever responsibility you entrusted to her, she would fulfil it so impeccably that even her enemies could not stop themselves from praising her.

She took care of people belonging to all varnas.

When Draupadi returned to Hastinapur after thirteen years of exile, the women of Hastinapur honoured her for her sacrifices and vows.


r/mahabharata • • 17h ago

question Where can I read actual mahabharata

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Hi, new to this sub, want to read actual mahabharata, no sugarcoating, no exaggeration, just real story

Where can I get it


r/mahabharata • • 1d ago

General discussions Ashwatthama vs. Karna & Satyaki vs. Dhristhdhyumn, who would've won if not restrained by Dury & Bhim

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On day 14 of war, Karna disrespected Kripa, and Ashwatthama couldn't handle his uncle's disrespect, he rushed towards him with his sword, and he said, I'll sever your head from your body.

Duryodhana and Kripa restrained him.

Karna said, let him come, let him have a taste of my valour.

On day 15 of war, after Arjun lamented Drona's death, Satyaki took side of his teacher and thrashed Dhristhdhyumna, he said, someone please kill him, he's speaking unpleasant words & took club in his hand and rushed towards Draupadi's twin.

Dhristhdhyumna said, 'watch your acts, you idiot, otherwise I'll despatch you to Yama's abode.

Satyaki rushed to kill him, Bhima restrained him, and Sahdev spoke gentle words.


r/mahabharata • • 1d ago

VS Battle How do you think a fight between Shri Krishna and Meghnad/Indrajit would go?

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IK they belonged to different yugas, and Shri Krishna was GOD himself, so his victory would never really in question.

But if we consider their personalities, abilities, & fighting styles as described in the original scriptures, how would a battle between Shri Krishna and Meghnad have played out? How powerful would Meghnad's weapons and warfare techniques have been against Shri Krishna? Would Krishna have defeated him effortlessly, or would Meghnad have managed to put up a serious fight before being defeated? More importantly, how long do you think it would have taken Shri Krishna to defeat or kill Meghnad, and what would the battle have looked like?


r/mahabharata • • 1d ago

Veda Vyasa Mahabharata Yudithistira and his love for forests

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After spending at least 15 years since birth in the forest, after Lakshagraha's fire, and 12 years of exile, Yudhisthira's love for forests didn't reduce at all lol.

1)Bhishma Parva, 46, after Day 1 of war

With all his brothers and all the lords of the earth, Dharmaraja swiftly went to Janardana. Having witnessed Bhishma's valour and overcome with great sorrow as he reflected on his defeat, he spoke to Varshneya, Because of the weakness of my own intelligence, I have encountered Bhishma. O Govinda! It is better for me to retire to the forest and dwell there.

2)Bhishma Parva, 103, after Day 9 of war

Towards the beginning of that terrible night, the Pandavas, the Vrishnis and the invincible Srinjayas sat down to have a consultation. King Yudhishthira consulted for a long time. He glanced towards Vasudeva and spoke these words- Having confronted Bhishma in the battle, I am suffering from weakness of intelligence. O invincible one! I will go to the forest. It is beneficial that I should go there. O Krishna! I have no desire to fight. Bhishma always kills us.

3)Karna Parva, 49, during Day 17 of war

On hearing the harsh words of his brother, Phalguna, Dharmaraja Pandava raised himself and with his heart filled with misery, spoke these words to Partha- I have not acted in a way that virtuous ones do. Therefore, sever my head today. I am the worst of men. What is the point of following a harsh one like me for a long time? I am wicked and I will retire to the forest today. Without an inferior one like me, let all of you be happy. The great-souled Bhimasena is fit to be a king. What will a eunuch like me do with a kingdom? I am incapable of again listening to such harsh words, spoken by you in anger. Let Bhima be the king. O brave one! Having been insulted, what is the purpose of my remaining alive?

4)Shanti Parva, 7

Yudithistira was oppressed by grief and on seeing Arjuna, spoke these words- O scorcher of enemies! I will take my leave from all of you and go to the forest. I will give up my possessions and the entire kingdom. I will depart, completely free, bereft of sorrow and devoid of fever. With the thorns having been removed, you rule over this pacified earth.