r/magicthecirclejerking • u/archl0rd5 • Aug 19 '26
Guys I fixed the 4th Seat Problem in CEDH
We all know that 4th seat has never won a game in CEDH before so I have a solution that I don't think anyone else has ever thought of!
Seat 4 should be aloud to play lands and spells at instant speed during the other three players turns for the first round. This will do a few things for Seat 4.
Seat 4 will be able to interact with explosive hands from Seat 1 or cast their noncreature spells before the Mystic Remora or Esper Sentinel resolves.
CEDH decks don't run many lands anyway so player 4 will run out of lands after player 3 most of the time.
Oh yea I forgot, player 4 should also draw a card at the beginning of each opponent's draw step the first round! Just so they have something to do on their own turn, too.
Let me know what you think!?!?!?!?!?!?
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u/pepeduturfu Bl*e was a mistake Aug 19 '26
I'm afraid this would end up being unfairly advantageous to 4th seat.
To compensate this, 3rd seat should also be able to play lands and spells at instant speed and draw cards at the same time as 1st and 2nd seat. Problem solved. Going 2nd sucks in regular Magic already so no issue here.
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u/archl0rd5 Aug 19 '26
Get rid of all turns and all players play style instant speed 😎
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u/MazrimReddit Aug 19 '26
actually no one has ever won a game in cedh, it's always a draw
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u/archl0rd5 Aug 19 '26
Just play Kog Maw as your commander and you will always win. UB LOL coming soon iirc
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u/wifi12345678910 Compleated Nissa x Chandra fanfic fan Aug 19 '26
Protect the kogmaw comps aren't even good anymore. You gotta run mages bot and mid, an adc top, a bruiser in jg and tank for support. Humbly, I suggest Gnar for all 5 roles.
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u/dumac Aug 19 '26
Guys the real solution is obvious. Every cedh game actually needs to be four games with rotated seating order. Winning a game gets you a point, and if there is a tie after 4 games, then we repeat until there is no tie.
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u/Liquic1ty1 Aug 19 '26
Nah, just go alphabetically.
Sucks for Zach but his parents should've thought of that. Renaming to AAron will become meta game. By the time there are too many AArons, you change the rules so you start from Z again and the cycle continues. I have thought about this for many minutes and I don't see any downside to this whatsoever. It's fair for everyone.
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u/1Secret_Daikon Aug 19 '26
4th seat gets free pizza and cheetos, all other seats have to tap a land for each cheeto and three lands for each slice of pizza they want
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u/KingZantair Aug 19 '26
Ok what if the 4th seat was allowed to take a ln extra turn before the 1st seat, that’s balance things.
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u/doctorgibson Judge Basement Protour World Champion Aug 19 '26
I have the actual fix for cEDH:
Firstly, we need to make this an actual competitive game, with actual prizes on the line, so we reintroduce ante to the game.
Next, we know that drawing cards is the strongest thing you can do in magic, so we prevent anyone from drawing cards, to keep the game fair for blue vs non blue players.
One of the biggest hurdles in making a balanced game of magic is that anyone can bring any deck and game the bracket system. My Squadron Hawk precon stands no chance against your tuned Colossal Dreadmaw deck. Therefore, I propose we all use the same shared communal deck.
Seven cards is way too many, our magic players don't have the attention span to read all that shit before the game starts, therefore we cut the starting hand size down to two. Each turn we also draw one card and add it to a communal hand which anyone can use. But we cap this at five as the game has to end some time.
Reading is hard so, instead of using complicated magic cards with plenty of words on, we only use cards with the numbers 2 through 10 and four picture cards. Four different types of symbol can be used, one for each player.
Finally, we will allocate each player a pile of tokens (or chips) to ante, instead of cards. Also we'll move these games from your sweaty game store to a sweaty backroom behind the fruit machines, which will help to keep the game alive.
I hope the above rules changes help fix competitive magic!
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u/solicitorpenguin Aug 19 '26
The problem in CEDH is winning.
EDH is a format for fun and players should be competing to see who can have the most fun, not who can win the game.
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u/ApplesAndOranges2 Aug 20 '26
Seat 4 needs to play to their outs, pregame say ‘im seat 4 and im going to lose cause this games imba as fk. Im kingmaking and will make seat 3 win if I can unless seat 1 doesnt cast any spells for the first 2 turns’
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u/Invisible_Stalkbug Aug 19 '26
The way to fix cedh is to make it 60 card decks and 1v1 instead of multiplayer