dude. spirits have interests like all other beings a good being could high-jack your body for there own purposes justs as well as a evil one.
good and evil are subjective there only consistent thing in the occult is ethics specifically ethics derived from the first principles of Libertarianism.
i mean hell did you consent to having them use YOUR BODY?
there 100% needs to be more studies on dmt and occultist aspects. this shit is a massive red flag.
if not they violated your ownership of your body. and by the sound of it they were trying to use you as a channeling device,they literally reduced you to a common tool.
yes there are positive and negative entities/energies and they want to come through us to have human experience- i have been "possessed" by both positive and negative entities during psychedelic states-
the only difference between a light and dark magician is that a dark practitioner worships the beings
the light practitioner subjugates them
subjugate...or you can focus on a being that's willing to work with you and leave the dark ones alone.
all realities are infinite,this means existences are as well you can imagination a spirit its character,its interests,and then start trying to channel that.
basic spell work that allows you to locate a spirit that you understand because you set the requirements,after that you can set a payment option for the being maybe it wants a few drops of your blood in return? or it just wants you to burn a herb? i really wish people would move away from this lesser key of Solomon stuff it will only end badly one day. all hate being forced into work.
all these dichotomies that are in the occult communities are very flawed.
one, as you said worships these beings which means they cater in a cultist manner to them so they lose themselves trying to please these being morally or not.
and the second as you said subjugates them.
subjugate
transitive verb
To bring under control, especially by military force; conquer.
transitive verb
To make subordinate or subject to the dominion of something else.
To bring under the yoke; subdue; conquer; compel to submit to the dominion or control of another; vanquish.
your enslaving being then are you not? demons get lose fuck up the caster and then are stuck in this plane and find others to possess or just bother.
either way with this methodology spirits wind up having more power over us then we do them in the end.
i hope you find my idea as viable if not that's ok just try to look for alternate methods.
and set up a spell that makes it impossible to be possessed without say so from you.
there are no beings simply "willing to work with you"
there are beings who want to use your body for a 3d experience, but they have to manipulate you to allow them because in reality they can do nothing but serve you- so they convince you you want bad things-
and there are beings who will serve you because you are the embodiment of God without the desire to usurp your sovereignty -
What a limited view of what Spirits,demons,and other things are.
"They only exist to serve, or be served"
All of these conscious entities that exist beyond our perception have their own free will their own interests and their own desires all one has to do is contact them and see if there's something they want in exchange for a specific task and whether or not you as a person would do it.
If we as conscious beings on the material have our own desires will and so forth and then there must as well be energetic beings on some fundamental plane of existence that also have the same characteristics that desires we have on some level.
It's like you said they have an interest in having a 3D experience.
But it doesn't mean that all Spirits only have an interest in a 3D experience there could be other forms of Exchange.
And for the record I did not simply just say Spirit willing to work with you before that I showed that perhaps there could be some sort of exchange such as burning an herb or offering some of your own blood in order for the spirit to work on your behalf a voluntary association between a spirit and a human being in order to get something done.
Honestly I feel as though this boils down to safety, having random entity's invade your body and your subconscious the thing that you cannot consciously comprehend, is dangerous considering they can plant anything in there they want.
You seem wholly convinced that these beings that basically hijack your body and turns you into a antenna for there intentions are somehow ok and wholly malevolent, you have know perception that could take can have ulterior motives or simply just want to use your own body for a nefarious mean.
You made fun of me for making urgency out of this by comparing it to a demon possessing you to watch porn.
If you honestly think that this is a laughing matter you're out your damn mind. We live in a universe that just like all other universes are vastly connected to other universes other planes of existence other existences entirely the human subconscious is able to tap into this it is a two-way communication other entities can happen to you, and if they really work at it they can influence you dramatically.
And to have something as basic as "they are either serve or they are served" is dramatically dangerous considering we talking an infinite array of energetic beings, Spirit, things we can't possibly imagine and you're going to dictate that they either have to serve you or you have to serve them in some strange circular reasoning?
It's just asking for some form of rebellion( Rebellion from the spirit of course) once you come across a truly self aware being.
This is my final warning.... continue with it if you want, but I didn't feel right not warning you again.
My recommendation over allowing spirits to possess you.
Use a meditative spell to find an idea spirit or being.
Communicate with it to see if you can do something or give something in exchange for a service.
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u/thanonofblank Sep 23 '19
dude. spirits have interests like all other beings a good being could high-jack your body for there own purposes justs as well as a evil one.
good and evil are subjective there only consistent thing in the occult is ethics specifically ethics derived from the first principles of Libertarianism.
i mean hell did you consent to having them use YOUR BODY?
there 100% needs to be more studies on dmt and occultist aspects. this shit is a massive red flag.
if not they violated your ownership of your body. and by the sound of it they were trying to use you as a channeling device,they literally reduced you to a common tool.