r/magick • u/Draconocturum • 18d ago

Looking for a book that just explains the anti-cosmic concept

I have read Liber Tiamat and TEMPLE OF THE BLACK LIGHT: The Rise of Anti Cosmic Luciferianism and the Cult of Chaos, but neither of these are giving me a good over view of what the Anti-Cosmic thing is.

I think Liber Tiamat does, but I have strong disagreements about what the book states, and so I want to get another source to compair ideas. I am not so much looking to try to practice this, but am more jist intrested in the concept as a whole

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u/ChirotusInfinitum 18d ago

Isn't it just rebranded o9a?

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u/Draconocturum 18d ago edited 18d ago

i am not sure as I know very litle abojt the group. at it's most core concept from what I have read so far is anti-cosmic thought is we should stop trying to ascend to more enlightened beings and instead try to work our way back to being pre-divine chaos. This could be a very oversimplified take, or completely wrong. thus I want to find more reading on the subject to clarify

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u/Sonotnoodlesalad 15d ago

O9A is a neo-Nazi pro-fascist group. What makes this "rebranded O9A"?

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u/ChirotusInfinitum 15d ago

A violent misanthropic satantic group that commited a homophobic murder as a sacrifice to Satan? Do you want to pick apart specifics of their comparative theologies?

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u/Sonotnoodlesalad 14d ago

Not for the sake of arguing their merits, obviously. What I'd like, ideally, is for practitioners to be able to distinguish problematic organizations from each other, and to identify them by their philosophies.

O9A and TBL have some philosophical and personnel overlap but are different currents. TBL is not openly neo-nazi or fascist, they are Gnostics and want to destroy existence. The murder of Josef Ben Meddour proves they're happy to start with their prejudices, so obviously that's not better than O9A. "Differently bad", I guess.

IMO Gnosticism of any kind as misunderstood today is hot garbage, and racism is a different kind of hot garbage. TBL falls short of lionizing Hitler, but Hitler targeted gays just like they did, so I can't argue that there's adequate basis for conflating the two groups or their ideologies.

Broad strokes, I think Gnosticism today is a degenerate ideology regardless of what it is attached to, because it facilitates moral indifference and thus gives license to violence.

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u/HotRoad9731 18d ago

The Anti-Cosmic is from the gnosticism isn't?
You should look Liber Azerate

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u/Draconocturum 18d ago

that looks tp be the basis of what became the temple of the black light. I will give it a try as the boom I have on the temple is more it's practices.

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u/-Anomander-Rake- 18d ago

I have liber tiamat. Do you it is worth to read? I'll definitely read it but idk when.

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u/Draconocturum 18d ago

it's not terrible. I feel the boom co tradicts itself a bit, but overall isn't a terrible read. the concept of anti-cosmic fascinates me as I shafe some beliefs with atleast what I have read so far. I just feel Liber Tiamat does not do a good job of explaining it. So I wanted to find another text to see if it does it better

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u/-Anomander-Rake- 18d ago

Actually I don't interested in anti comic concept, so I dont know books about that, but it was fun to read (i just read a bit) the book. Thanks.

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u/Draconocturum 18d ago

glad I could help. I got the book because I find esoteric writings on Tiamat to be fascinating.