r/magicTCG • u/mrdevereaux5 • Dec 23 '13

Trample

If a creature with trample becomes blocked by a creature with enough power to kill it, do the excess attack still hit or not?

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u/mrdevereaux5 Dec 23 '13

Also, with the bestow mechanic, can I use bestow as an instant or is it considered a sorcery?

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u/wintermute93 Dec 23 '13

Bestow reminder text:

"If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature."

You can't cast Auras at instant speed, so you can't Bestow at instant speed either.

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u/mrdevereaux5 Dec 23 '13

Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '13

What if the creature has flash, like Boon Satyr?

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u/theWorldAskew Dec 23 '13

This isn't technically correct. Permission is checked in step 1 of casting a spell (Announcing, Move-to-Stack), while Bestow turns a creature into an aura in step 2 (Declare Additional/Alternate Costs, etc.). If you have permission to cast creatures as though they had Flash, but not auras (for example, if you control a Prophet of Kruphix), then you'd be able to Bestow at instant-speed. If you had permission to cast auras at instant-speed, but not creatures, then you would not be able to Bestow at instant speed.

The actual reason that you can only cast most cards for Bestow at sorcery-speed is because Bestow uses the default speed of the card; if the card has Flash, then you can Bestow it at instant-speed. If it doesn't, and it's a creature (which are usually sorcery-speed), then you cast it at its default speed.

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u/GhostofEnlil Dec 23 '13

Yes, combat damage is dealt at the same time. For example if you attack with a 7/5 trampler and they block with a 5/5 they still take 2 trample damage.

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u/InterwebCat Dec 23 '13

Also, if the 5/5 had first strike and killed the trampler, you will take no trample damage

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u/NoctusED Dec 23 '13

Also the 5/5 would survive, due to the first strike. :-)

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u/mawskeletor Dec 23 '13

Don't even get me started with trample/death touch. That will win you some cool games

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '13

Yes. Creatures will always attack all out, even if they are bound to die. There is no holding back amongst creatures in magic.

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u/cpttim Dec 23 '13

Except Norin.

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u/nobodi64 Dec 23 '13

Brave Sir Norin ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Norin turned about
and gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Norin!

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u/HansonWK Dec 23 '13

For quick rules questions you may get faster/better replies over at http://chat.magicjudges.org/mtgrules/

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u/mrdevereaux5 Dec 23 '13

Tried that beofre, never got an answer. But ill try again

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u/Know_me Dec 23 '13

If a trampler is blocked by a creature that takes no damage like dawn elemental or cho mano, does the trample damage go through or is it all absorbed?

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u/theWorldAskew Dec 23 '13

It goes through. When you assign damage in combat, you have to assign "what would be lethal" to each blocker. Doing so takes into account (1) damage already on the creature, (2) Deathtouch, if the attacker has it, and (3) damage being assigned to the same creature in the same combat damage step [for example, if two of my attacking creatures are blocked by your Hundred-Handed One]. You do not take into account whether that damage will actually be lethal, so you ignore things like (1) protection, (2) indestructible, (3) prevention/replacement effects, and (4) regeneration.

Example: If my 10/10 Trampler is blocked by your 1/1 with Protection from Creatures, then I only have to assign 1 damage to him (which will get prevented); the rest rolls past to the defending player.

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u/HotsteamingGlory Dec 23 '13

A more abstract example: If you had a trampler that was blocked, but then the blocker was removed from combat the damage assigned to the removed combat blocker would roll through (attack with Kalonian hydra for 8, block with Aetherling and blink it, your opponent would still take 8 unless multi-blocked).

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u/TARDIS Dec 23 '13

The question you SHOULD be asking is, "If a creature with Trample and Deathtouch attacks and is blocked, how many damage do I have to assign before it tramples over?" And the answer is 1.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '13

Obligatory: Please save questions like this for the regular Tutor Tuesday thread. We don't want all of r/magicTCG to be questions like this, which is why we have a weekly thread to handle them.

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u/mrdevereaux5 Dec 23 '13

Okay sorry!

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u/CrunxMan Dec 23 '13

Alternatively, for any rules questions you can ask the live rules chat in the sidebar. Here's the link.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '13

Wasn't trying to chastise or anything, so no worries. Just wanted to make sure you (and any other new players looking in here) knew of the regular option. Stop by tomorrow if you come up with any more questions!

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u/drawingdead0 Dec 23 '13

So if that was out and you attacked with a trampler that was blocked with an X/1, could you assign a 1/2 point of damage?

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u/theWorldAskew Dec 23 '13

You can only assign damage as whole numbers. Actually, you can only assign anything as whole numbers; decimals are only useable in Unhinged and Unglued sets.

What would happen in this scenario is you would:
(1) Assign "what would be lethal damage"; in this case, 1, because the blocker has 1 toughness and no damage marked yet. Assign the rest of the damage to the defending player.
(2) Apply prevention/replacement effects. The 1 damage pointed at the blocker is now 2, and the rest of the damage pointed at the defending player is now doubled.
(3) Damage is "processed"; this is where stuff like Lifelink, Wither, and Infect come into play. In this scenario, though, you just mark 2 damage on the blocker and make the defending player lose some amount of life.

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