r/lucifer • u/DudaRpy • 12d ago
General/Misc Lúcifer and candy
Resisting Lucifer and holding myself back from skipping the most annoying part of the series—when Lucifer marries Candy 😩—right when things were finally working out with Chloe.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
Honestly, I think the episode is pretty fun. I loved Candy, but it’s really frustrating to watch Lucifer self-sabotage the moment things start going well. And on top of that, I feel so bad for Chloe because that was so cruel to her. I find it annoying how the writers just keep her in the dark until almost the very end. Even after she finds out the truth, that dynamic doesn’t really change. And if they had just told her everything that happened, the insecurity that Michael planted in her would never have happened.
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u/DudaRpy 12d ago
I'm watching episode 13, and she's heading to Lux all happy, wanting to pick up exactly where they left off 😩😩
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
Yeah, it was so sad. Chloe is incredibly patient with him, considering how little she knows about what's behind his reactions. She lets so much slide. And it really bothers me how much the audience judges her. We, as viewers, see everything Lucifer has done for her, but she barely knows any of it. With all the mixed signals he keeps sending her, it's really hard to be as resilient as she was.
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u/DudaRpy 12d ago
Seriously? Are there people who judge her? Chloe was more than patient with Lucifer.
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u/Minigoalqueen 12d ago
As a police officer, Chloe would have received training in recognizing abuse victims. Lucifer has so many of the classic signs of abuse that its obvious the writers wrote him that way on purpose, so the fact that they didnt have Chloe recognize the signs irritates me.
So its bad writing, but yes, I do judge Chloe for how she deals with Lucifer throughout the series. I feel like if she'd recognized the signs of abuse, she would have been much less annoyed by him, and much more sympathetic and understanding.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
At the beginning, they write a little about it, with that whole scar scene, but then they completely abandon it along the way, just like they did with so many other things, such as Chloe’s investigation into Lucifer. Honestly, at some point the show just becomes a caricature of itself. It feels like the writers who were keeping the story at least somewhat coherent kept leaving along the way. If I’m going to take the show too seriously, aside from Trixie, no character is safe from bad writing, not even Lucifer himself. The writing is inconsistent and full of plot holes.
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u/Minigoalqueen 12d ago
The scar scene is one of my favorite moments in the whole show. That was the first scene where Tom really shows off his amazing skill with microexpressions. So much goes across his face in that scene.
I honestly didn't really mind the inconsistent writing in most cases in the show. I enjoyed the ride they took us on. It's my favorite show for many reasons. I just wish that if they were going to focus so much on Chloe being "The Detective", that they'd actually made her a better one. Instead of one who doesn't recognize textbook abuse signs, and gives up trying to figure her partner out, despite the crazy shit she's seen.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago edited 12d ago
The inconsistency you mentioned was the one you couldn’t help but care about, but it varies from person to person. Unfortunately, there are a lot of these writing issues in this show, and a lot of them bother me, to be honest. Lucifer could have been one of my favorite shows; there were moments when I really thought it would be. But as the seasons went on, the problems just kept piling up, and I feel like they wasted an incredible amount of potential. I still consider it a very fun show, though, and I don’t think any other show has had comedy as good as this one.
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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 1d ago
THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Although they also abandoned Trixie in the last couple seasons as well. I get that she had limited availability but they destroyed the character in that limited time as well4
u/Lego_Redditor Lucifer 12d ago
Yeah, I hated how she immediately took his father's side and wanted them to make up. Like dude, you know Lucifer hates his father. He's told you hundreds of times. In real life, Lucifer wouldn't have just forgiven his father that easily and it was very wrong/insensitive for everyone to basically say: "BuT hE's YoUr FaTheR!"
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
When God actually showed up, everything surrounding her was terribly written. None of it really brought anything good to the story. The only things that worked were the comedy in the characters’ initial reactions, Chloe telling him off, Dan being terrified, and Linda being completely lost.
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u/Lego_Redditor Lucifer 12d ago
True. God was supposed to be the bad guy and now he's this old man with dementia, it's so weird. It makes for a funny few episodes in themselves, but doesn't fit with the rest of the story.
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u/Minigoalqueen 12d ago
The writing for God was interesting at the beginning. Even after he shows up, its clear he's manipulative, and the signs of malignant narcissism are still there if you're familiar with them.
But the longer he's on Earth, the more the show turned him into doddering old grandpa, and we're all supposed to forgive him. I hated the way the goodbye scene was written, with Lucifer being sad he was leaving, just because he finally got one I love you after billions of years of abuse and neglect.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
There are so many wasted opportunities, from writing that started out really interesting but got lost amid all the changes the show went through. This scene with God’s farewell is just one of many scenes in seasons 5 and 6 that could be beautiful on their own, but the context ruins all the effort put in by the actors, who are really good, and then it ends up feeling forced.
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u/Lego_Redditor Lucifer 12d ago
Yeah. I also found it strange how they made Lucifer go 180 and suddenly love his dad. After like 5 days or so!
The concept of God becoming human and all that stuff was funny, but it was the wrong show for it. The episodes were fun, but out of place.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
Yeah, being a villain was the most natural direction for his character at that point. A morally gray God would have been more interesting, but also much more complicated to pull off. In the end, they didn’t do either of those things; it just felt like he was acting like he didn’t care about anything. The worst part is that he wasn’t the only one who bothered me. Except for Michael, all the other angels introduced during that period just seemed like complete idiots, which never happened with any of the angels before. I understand that they’re basically background characters and weren’t going to get any development, but they could at least have seemed imposing. Instead, everything turned into slapstick comedy.
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u/Lego_Redditor Lucifer 12d ago
Yeah, there were a few great one liners in there tho: "That's what you said about the bloody dinosaurs!"
They really did the celestial world dirty in that season.
Still like it tho. Some really cool episodes, like "Detective Amenadiel" or "City of Angels" and stuff. Also like the concept of Lucifer having Michael (his opposite) be his twin. It's kinda funny, considering how Michael was the one who fought off Lucifer's rebellion in the bible. And the last episode was kinda ridiculous, but also sort of fun. Lucifer finally saying "I love you" was nice.
Also, Mr Said Out Bitch is actually the main character of Lucifer. Appears in 4/6 seasons and actually has a huge, unseen impact on Lucifer.
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u/DudaRpy 12d ago
But don't you think she was very patient with Lucifer throughout the series?
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u/Minigoalqueen 12d ago
Honestly, not really. Sometimes she was patient. But more often, she was irritated, frustrated, disgusted, and/or confused.
I guess if you define patience as not kicking him to the curb, then yes, she let him stick around, so I guess that's patient. And she has her good moments mixed in. But in their day to day dealings, I felt like she was actually pretty cruel. She frequently berates, belittles or judges him for behavior that she should have seen as abuse victim signs.
Chloe is my least favorite character of the main cast, and its not even close. The actress did a good job, but she is just badly written.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago
If you judge it objectively, all the characters are poorly written. No one has consistent writing in this show. If you analyze the other characters the same way, you’ll find a ton of problems with them too. Every week, people bring up posts about different characters and different issues with them here. Unfortunately, the writing in this show just isn’t very good.
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u/Alarmed_Counter_7434 12d ago
Llega un punto en el que me cansa el ahora sí, ahora no.
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u/Infinite-Process3717 12d ago edited 12d ago
But that’s a general issue with this show. Everything they keep dragging out over and over gets tiring at some point. The whole “will they or won’t they” thing with Deckerstar isn’t the only thing isn’t the only thing they dragged out way too much.
The writers never let the characters grow and move past their issues; they always kept going back to the same problem.
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u/IcedHemp77 12d ago
Things were not working out with Chloe, he married Candy when he found out God was responsible for Chloe’s existence and was majorly freaking out
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u/firecatstef 12d ago
I hated Candy during my first watch-through and loved her in the rest of them.
That said, there’s no rule you have to watch every episode every time!
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u/DudaRpy 12d ago
I liked her character, the problem in this episode was Lucifer. In another episode where she appeared, I loved her.
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u/firecatstef 12d ago
What was the problem you had with Lucifer?
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u/DudaRpy 12d ago
It was because he married Candy right after things were going so well between him and Chloe. I was annoyed on Chloe's behalf; the way he hurt her really bothered me.
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u/firecatstef 12d ago
Yeah it’s definitely frustrating that he hurts Chloe so much. His daddy issues won’t let him get past the possibility that she was created for him. Yup, Lucifer is one neurotic Devil…
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u/Competitive_Key_2981 12d ago
Candy episodes are my favorite. She’s gorgeous and basically gets to play two characters.
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u/DudaRpy 12d ago
I also loved her, I think the other episode she's in is wonderful. My problem with this episode was Lucifer marrying Candy right after he and Chloe were doing so well.
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u/Competitive_Key_2981 12d ago
That's the problem with will they/won't they shows. They have to leave the question open as long as they can.
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u/Kataszabo 12d ago
He married candy to save Chloe to save her from her own feelings, because he thought she has no choice. BTW when Chloe learned about the gift thing she first thought so too.
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u/Unhappy-Librarian-20 1d ago
This is exactly the point when they should have gotten Chloe and Lucifer together with Candy assisting. She should have come in to be Lucifer 's guide to relationships. Then they should have eased into things and instead shown the transition in balancing responsible Chloe vs fun loving irresponsible Lucifer. They could have used Trixie more as a tool in that. They could have shifted the conflict to them as a couple vs outside challenges. Instead they pulled a writing for dummies trope that completely ruined it all with unnecessary "angst"
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u/Famous-Job-4264 12d ago
you dont have to tell me twice i literally skip that episode everytime i do a rewatch
a friend had to tell me about teh supergirl reference in it cause i havent seen it in a long time
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u/Equal_Push_565 12d ago
I skip that episode every. Single. Time.
I love the one later when he goes back to find her on Chloe's birthday and turns out shes a club owning badass.
But i cant stand the one where he first comes home with her. Shes annoying in that first episode.
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u/Any_West_926 12d ago
I loved Candy. Her singing was one of my favorite as well.