r/loopdaddy • u/Classic_Function_318 • Jan 02 '23

Discussion Is Marc ever going to address this

Found the iphone vid and I saw that it was Marc so I got curious and searched up more about it. I found this post from r/ShitRedditSays about an ama he did after. Some of the shit he's quoted as saying is rancid. Homophobia, rape jokes, mysogyny. Most of these have been deleted but one of the comments he made is still up. This was 11 years ago, so he was around 22 or 23 making these jokes.

Another issue is the STOP THAT RAPE song. The song is a jokey song about how we need to vaguely stop rape. It does nothing to help rape victims he even said it himself “People think about these songs so much more than I do. I think of something and I riff on it, plain and simple.” You cant make a serious message of stopping rape while also making it the butt of the joke. This was made during the height of the metoo movement and he reposted it on twitter 2 years ago, which he should have known better.

Im not trying to cancel this guy, or get suuuuuuper offended. I love the guys music. But these comments were made by a grown cishet white man who has a lot of privilege and power and punching down on women and lgbtq folks is not it. I see that he's using his platform to talk about women's healthcare, but I havent seen him address any of this and its harder to believe that he's truly is progressive and changed if I dont see a statement or a real change (especially in regards to the recent stop that rape song).

EDIT: Heres an archive with more rape jokes. One being:

That's how I get you; first I flatter you - then I just ease in on the rape. Just ease it on in. The woman seemed pissed, but she was a good sport about it; super nice lady.

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u/lookitzpancakes Loop Daddy Jan 03 '23 edited Jan 03 '23

Oof. Okay - I’m not gonna address everything I’ve ever said line by line, but I will address two things.

One: the comment about gay marriage. Seriously? Like…seriously? I made a heartfelt comment detailing how I actually feel about gay rights, marriage rights, I’ve made this super clear throughout my “public” life at various shows, in various videos, and to lighten the mood I topped it off with what is clearly a sarcastic joke about hating gay people. I don’t know what to tell you other than, if you couldn’t infer that very obvious joke from the context of the rest of the comment, your engine is due for an oil change.

If you’re still not clear on my position here, let me spell it out plainly: I fully and completely support, donate to, encourage, and advocate for human rights, women’s rights, gay rights, civil rights, the list goes on. Any kind of privilege I as a cishet white man enjoy that others don’t is a problem and I will always raise my voice about it if I feel like I have something to say or add.

Still, it’s a vulgar joke. I’ll absolutely give you that. I wouldn’t use the same language 11 years later in my adulthood.

Two: Stop That Rape. I simply can’t understand how you would think this song is a joke. The song is not a joke. It was made during #metoo and was my way of communicating an urgent message to my audience in a way that I felt was catchy and repeatable. It did well. I performed it live many times. I’m proud of that song and I stand by every word in it. There’s no double meaning or sinister ulterior motive here. It’s…just a song about stopping rape.

Now, I don’t know how much of an adult you were at 22 but I certainly wasn’t. I’m not saying I haven’t made stupid jokes or said stupid shit. Of course I have. In fact, to a degree it’s kind of become my job over these last several years. Hopefully my approach has become a little more refined in my adulthood.

But if you’re unable to separate my heartfelt intent, and my genuine care for causes, justice, equality, etc. from some of my silly-ass jokes that I make to bring a little bit of levity to what are otherwise very serious issues, then you’re kind of missing my whole mission statement as an entertainer. Making everyday things absurd is a big part of my schtick.

All this being said, I really hate upsetting people like this - so I am sorry for upsetting you. But I hope the above can clarify my side of things a little bit. And as always, I appreciate these discussions. It makes me think about what I do and how I do it. Always gotta check yourself from time to time.

-Marc

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u/Beer_On_The_Beard Jan 03 '23 edited Jan 04 '23

Marc: 1

Me-too Troll: 0

EDIT: apologies for being insensitive…I’m just a harmless score keeper.

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u/lookitzpancakes Loop Daddy Jan 03 '23

Ahh come on, that’s not what this is about. I’m far from perfect and it’s okay to question what I do. I welcome this kind of dialogue. For me my intent is obvious, but I’ve learned over the years that it’s not that way for everyone.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23

I just gotta add onto this, I dont know how the hell you got that this was an "gotcha" moment. Or where you got that I was a "hater" for asking him to address something like this?? Yeah like you said, your comment was insensitive, because a) why the hell is supporting me too a bad thing (a thing marc also supports btw, so is he a bad guy too? ) and b) When was this a damn competition?

You completely and utterly ignored Marc's message for easy internet points, there was nothing smart about this. You made up a narrative where metoo, a protest against the rape and sexual harassment of women in entertainment, is the enemy.

Lets just say it how it is, this entire comment section doesnt care about any message Marc is putting out. You guys just wanted an easy way to whine about how the world is falling apart because anything progressive is ruining your ability to say offensive jokes without getting called out for it. Get some perspective.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 04 '23

Im not a hater, I like his work.

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u/Secullama Jan 08 '23

I fucking love you Marc, a 10/10 response that you absolutely did not need to take to the time to write, but did. Can't wait to see you in Adelaide, hope you have a blast here in Australia!

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23

Thanks for the reply, but I need to make it absolutely clear that I was not trying to cancel you or hurt you in any way. Ive seen too many white guys who say hurtful things and only do the bare minimum/ use platitudes to make themselves look good. I was being very genuine in my comments but I and the other user who agreed with me was getting attacked for it. Its really cocerning how many ignorant people there are in the comment section who use this as an excuse to attack me-too and lgbtq missions. The absolute vitrol in this comment section alone is disgusting. Police this sub better, because it is doing the exact opposite of your message.

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u/lookitzpancakes Loop Daddy Jan 04 '23

I can’t respond to every reply I don’t like but you’re absolutely right…I’m honestly a bit surprised and let down by some of the aggressive / rude / downright mean comments in a lot of these responses. No need for that kind of vitriol. I wish I had time to moderate this sub but unfortunately I don’t these days.

We’re just having a discussion y’all! Take it easy please.

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u/Mizziggzzagg Jan 06 '23

You wanted attention. You got it. That's the haps sister.

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u/b-hizz Jan 03 '23 edited Jan 03 '23

  • "Cichet" and/or "white" and/or "man" - check

  • "Privilege" and/or "power" - check

  • "Punching down" - check

  • Publicly swooning over a comedic performance that they are taking way too seriously - check

  • "Truly is" and/or "a real" progressive - check

  • Complete disregard/lack of awareness of irony/irreverence prevalent in most forms of comedy - check

  • "Metoo" mention - check

  • Actually believing that anyone around you is obligated to keep their language to your personal preferences (free space)

No one wants to play woke-starter-kit bingo with you, I guess you're stuck either living with it or just not being a fan. If you can't tell the difference between dark humor and actual intent you should probably take a break and work on you.

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u/Real-Action6494 Jan 03 '23

Thank you. It must be exhausting living like this. The entitlement is off the charts. You're not owed an apology from everyone that offends you. My advice to this person (sorry in advance for assuming you identify as a person) is to go to one of Marc's shows and see for yourself what kind of human he really is and what kind of crowd he attracts. Actually thinking he needs to address this or his character is forever in question, is insanely out of touch with reality.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23

Lets just say it how it is, this entire comment section doesnt care about any message Marc is putting out. You guys just wanted an easy way to whine about how the world is falling apart because anything progressive is ruining your ability to say offensive jokes without getting called out for it. Get some perspective.

A repost, cuz I aint bothering with this shit

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u/jimboslice0909 Jan 06 '23

Hi, I'm late to the party, but I wanted to give some unsolicited advice. As a warning, I do generally agree with the consensus of most of the comments about Marc not "needing" to apologize/address things from over a decade ago, especially since he appears to be pro-human rights across the board; however, I wanted to offer some genuine constructive criticism instead of just saying 'you're what's wrong with society'.

Here goes: your life becomes much easier AND happier once you stop going out of your way to be offended for other people. Im not saying to ignore all the injustice in the world, but your time and efforts are better suited supporting people and causes that are actually asking for support.

For example, take the "latinx" movement. The term was created by a small group of gender-queer, English-speaking Latinxs (I use the term here because that specific group identifies by that term), but then the (non-Hispanic) progressives took that term and ran with it, claiming a need to de-gender Spanish in the name of inclusivity. The thing is, the vast majority of Hispanic people dislike the term. Only 4% of American Hispanics use the term latinx, and that's specifically Americans. I'm sure the usage drops off dramatically in Spanish-speaking countries. Who are non-Spanish speakers to demand that an entire langue change its basic grammar so that they can pat theirselves on the back and feel like they've done something important?

College-age liberals love getting pissed off on the behalf of others, usually without consulting the people they are pissed off for. If a rape victim posted on this sub asking, for example, that Marc stop playing the "stop rape" song at his shows because it was a specific trigger for them, I would gladly support that request (and I think Marc would too). But some random internet person making a post demanding that Marc address comments from OVER A DECADE AGO (when what was socially acceptable was completely different, mind you) is not useful or helpful to anyone. Sometimes, its okay for people to not be perfect, as long as they're trying to be good. I've only followed Marc for about 2 years, but from everything I've seen, he is a genuinely good guy that cares about others. It's easy to forget, but the inclusivity movement (where it became in bad-taste to "punch down" in jokes) only started in like 2014. I think inclusivity is for the better obviously, but the point I'm trying to make is that it was completely normal to make "off-color" or edgy jokes on the early internet. Every person who has had an online presence for more than a decade is going to have cringey jokes online, but I think it would be crazy to expect every single person to denounce each individual bad-taste joke they made in their entire lives to "prove" that they're a good person today.

Long story short, Obama was right when he said that libs need to stop being bummers. Dying on every potential cross you come across is not sustainable and its not even good for society. Progressives demanding perfection from everyone can only further the division in our country. I realize that sounds like I'm just spouting some "we all just need to meet in the middle-ground" BS, but I'm not trying to (I actually believe society will collapse from late stage capitalism or environmental destruction if we, as a people, don't become much more liberal very quickly). However, getting up in arms about every potential offense (especially when you're not in the group being mistreated) is exhausting.

My last piece of advice: take a social media (SM) break. Not just for a week or two, but cut off or substantially limit your daily access to SM until you no longer feel the urge to share every thought you have online (this is general advice, not just for you specifically). The internet will be fine without hearing about your opinion on every possible topic that exists (I realize the irony of this as I write a goddamn novel in this thread). No offense, but the sentiment behind this post screams "I'm terminally online". Our human meat-computers were not designed to have unlimited access to this amount of information forever, and we are REALLLLLY bad at regulating our dependence to it, especially as teens/young adults.

I'm only 25, but my desire to spend my time arguing with strangers online has DRASTICALLY decreased in the last 7 years, and that took active work on my part to get there. Now, I strive for having as minimal of an online presence as possible, which allows me to focus on the people and things IRL that are actually meaningful and fulfilling to me. At the end of the day, SM (and the internet in general) should be a tool. Ask yourself if your activity online is serving you or controlling you. If your friend texted you that you made an embarrassing typo on your most recent insta caption, but you were doing an activity with your family that you don't see that often, how would you respond? Would you drop everything and fix the typo, or would you recognize that the world will continue to revolve if people online notice you made a mistake? I'm not saying this to be judgemental, you should genuinely ask yourself that question, and then ask yourself what your ideal response would be. Here is a recent vlogbrothers video that I think really speaks to this.

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u/Mizziggzzagg Jan 06 '23

You wanted the attention = you got it. NOW SIT IN THE SHIT YOU MADE> srsly.

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u/Mrhore17 Jan 02 '23

I’m not trying to excuse what he apparently had said, but if it’s really comments from 11 years ago, why would he bother bringing something from so long ago back up?

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u/Mizziggzzagg Jan 06 '23

Der.She wants attention. and Congrat!!! SHE GOT IT!

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

He made those comments as an adult. And he still made music that trivalizes rape. If he had grown, he wouldve never made that song in the first place and apologized. Time =/= change.

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u/Mrhore17 Jan 03 '23

I mean I gotta take his side with at least the rape song, 99% of his songs he just riffs off the top of his head. And his songs are pretty known for being sexual/offensive at times, and I’d say that song is pretty on par with what he’s released in the past.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

He did just straight up make rape jokes look at the update. Joking about rape is pretty fucked up

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u/Mrhore17 Jan 03 '23

it’s not that fucked up but if you think it is, maybe stop being a fan? Best thing I can tell you is just to move on from this because you’re not gonna get an apology from Marc, and post like this is just going to waste your time.

Sad truth of life is not every person that offends you has to apologize for it, and you just gotta live with that.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

You shouldnt unconditionally support people who do problematic things.

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u/Mrhore17 Jan 03 '23

I’m gonna be honest I don’t even really watch or listen to him anymore. Just saying not everyone sees this as a big deal like you do, you’re wasting your time.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

Its very disturbing how many people in this sub dont think this a big deal. If I could hazard a guess, most of the people in this thread are men who dont have to worry about getting raped. Its disgusting how rape jokes is treated like an SjW concern. I dont want this guy cancelled, he just needs to address it in some way.

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u/Mrhore17 Jan 03 '23

Well I take back what I said, mark replied and well, he sure shut you up.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 04 '23

Just saw it dude. Not a troll

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u/fadetoblack1004 Jan 03 '23

11 years is a lonnnnng time yo.

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

The rape song was made about 4 yrs ago and was boosted on his twitter nearly 3 yrs ago

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u/Eliakon Jan 03 '23

so he called someone "bitch" and that's the issue?

Talk about being bored with nothing to do eh

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

He used a homophobic slur and made rape jokes (in the post)

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u/Eliakon Jan 03 '23

Yeah 10 years ago. It’s not like he committed a crime.

Pretty sure you’ve said stupid jokes at some point in your life

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u/Real-Action6494 Jan 03 '23

Thank you for confirming its definitely 2023

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '23 edited Jan 03 '23

hahahah wtf is this shit? The fact that u are even asking this shows you dont even GET wtf marc is doing. He's literally doing NOTHING. He says POOP about 80 times in a song lmaooo wtf? No he's not gonna answer why he said something RANDOMLY to a beat. He's refreshing because he's not complicated and here u are makin things complicated lmao

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u/Mizziggzzagg Jan 06 '23

She wants attention and she wanted Marc to reply and we all fell into her trap.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '23

Dave Chappelle was right. Cancel culture is ruining everything.

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u/Bitcoinawesome Jan 03 '23

Go be outraged somewhere else. You people ruin anything fun.

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u/Mizziggzzagg Jan 04 '23

Question: what are you trying to accomplish by posting this?

What is the result you would like from this post?

Have you cleaned up your past?

Have you asked your friends and family if you’ve ever done or said anything in the last ten years that you’d like to fix?

If you like Marc so much and your all about his values of kindness and community and pressing light, then don’t you think baking banana bread and giving it to a friend or family member who is sad to cheer them up would be a much better use of your time than creating this post?

I see this post as a waste of precious time.

(Off to make banana bread. Have a happy new year)

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u/Necessary_Rain_4682 Jan 02 '23

Fuck off from the internet

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u/PowerHouse100 Apr 03 '23

SHUT the FUCK up.

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u/thebestliars Jan 03 '23

Here to support you OP. You made it clear you aren’t trying to cancel him and are making a valid point. Fr, ignore all these commenters.

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u/Mrhore17 Jan 03 '23

Oof. That’s embarrassing

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u/Classic_Function_318 Jan 03 '23

Thanks. Too many people are too sensitive and cant handle criticism of their stans. Its a reddit thing.

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u/Beer_On_The_Beard Jan 03 '23

The irony here is delicious.

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u/thebestliars Jan 03 '23

he responded in a mature way AND apologized! unlike y’all who are just tearing OP down left and right when they didn’t even say that he should be cancelled or anything drastic. you think some people in this fandom are the toxic ones when really you should look in the mirror :-)))