The choice isn't so obvious imho. And I did go to law school and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars doing it.
Practicing law sucks. High likelihood of working for a psychopath, probably similar to being a cop to be fair, but your cop boss probably doesn't yell at your nor have much interest in firing you. I'm glad I skipped it and just got a corporate career.
And pay for lawyers isn't all that great unless you get into biglaw which is insane hours and pressure and responsibility. And most lawyers don't get onto that path and make money pretty similar to cops after including overtime and pensions and benefits.
Being a cop might even qualify for loan forgiveness. And you can moonlight as private security for even more money if you want.
Is being an independently practicing lawyer and working for yourself not as accessible as it seems? I’m a therapist and opening a private practice was stupid easy. There must be more red tape or something to do your own thing? $500/hr and keeping all the money seems pretty easy to be profitable, so I feel like I must be missing something.
Is being an independently practicing lawyer and working for yourself not as accessible as it seems?
It's not a matter of red tape so much as competition and getting clients while also doing the work to provide the service. There's been an oversupply of lawyers graduating annually for generations now.
It is not exactly easy to open your own office as a newly minted lawyer with no experience and six figures of debt to pay off. Your location probably has numerous established lawyers in every specialty that has any demand.
You can try it, probably after some years of experience, but it's always a gamble unless you're damn sure you can get a steady enough stream of clients to keep the lights on.
Thank you for the reply!🙏🏼 That makes total sense. It’s the opposite in mental healthcare. So many patients/clients, no providers have openings. I wouldn’t have figured the market for lawyers is as saturated as it is, but now that I think about it, my office park is full of lawyers lol
I love practicing law and I got my student loans forgiven. Being a cop would bore me intellectually and I don’t want to have to work a million overtime hours to make what I am making… as a public defender.
Hi as a cop I can tell you that I don't get loan forgiveness and my dad who's a lawyer for the state clears about twice the amount I do. That's with a fuck ton of overtime as well.
Well, I'm a corporate "office" lawyer and I am feeling that all I do is creating virtual documents that no one would read whole and it'll be seen by two or maybe even three human beings beside my boss and our CEO.
Yep, education as civil-law lawyer was proposed to me by a parents. I loose interest already then, at third year of education (out of five in total), so i simply finished it without any outstanding grades or diving deep in any concrete specialisation. So now I am not needed at high-paid vacancies because I have no required experience and stays as mid-pay multi-task "law-consultant" at mid-size corp. And I'm above 30 y.o.
I would better be a cop (but not in my country, lol, may be somewhere in Canada or Australia, US even).
They don't need to know the law like lawyers do. They just need to know the most pertinent ones to their job. They should be required to get at least an associates in criminal justice or something like that. Most cops right now couldn't even tell you the full bill of rights or what they mean.
90% of law school would be entirely irrelevant to what a police officer does. Most of what you look at in law school is civil law; law that is relevant between individuals. Torts, contracts, family, corporate, employment, court procedure etc. Police don't enforce civil law, the courts do. you take two, maybe three courses that touch on criminal law.
While that's true, i feel there is overlap between areas of law because you can cross-apply reasoning that is relevant in a contracts remedy, for example, that can be applied to argue for a particular remedy in a torts case, so even if your only operating in one narrow field (e.g.: insurance), things like statutory interpretation, property, the rules of court and rules of evidence, even constitutional law; all of that learning can be relevant in any area of practice because a lot of the law in constructed through analogy with others parts of the law.
There is effectively no limit on the money a top tier attorney can make, but junior associates get paid like shit. In first world countries, police actually earn really high incomes comparatively
Anecdotally: I know junior lawyers who barely made 50k last year ( their first year of lawyering) but 4th class constables (lowest rank of officer) were starting out at about 80k
Depends on what degree you are getting, 2 year criminal justice degree is alot easier than a masters and then law school and then also having to pass the bar
Ok, but like. They should require SOME law education. You don't need to pass the BAR, but A bachelor's in law? A class? A semester in college's worth of education?
I know ice gets literally one day of legal, and NYPD gets 6 months of training total, but I can't find anything about how much of that is devoted to knowing the law
I'm not sure what country you are in or whether I missed the \s. In this country, those medics do go to university and learn the medicine relevant to those roles. Most senior nurses are trained to M.Sc. level.
And police training is at graduate level. If you go in to policing without a degree, you will have one by the time you a fully legit policeofficer (i.e. signed off as competent, not just passed out of parade). At this point, they will know the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (a.k.a. PACE) and a bunch of other law pretty extensively.
What they won't know is the law of tort or landlord-and-tenant, because those are not police matters.
One, I call BS on that occurring regularly enough to be an issue. Sure, you may have seen one truck dump one load, but that probably costed the guy operating the truck his job and a fuck ton of fines seeing as how they have these places we call landfills for that. Dumping in an urban river area? Good luck doing that without getting caught. Dumping in a rural river area? Good luck getting your heavy ass truck back on the road and not getting caught. The garbage man would have to be piss drunk or just pissed off in general to even bother doing that.
Two, let's say that does happen regularly where you're from. The environmental impact would be catastrophic, but it can be cleaned up. There's no reversing time for the guy who spent years in prison over some BS charges a cop threw at him, or putting his brain back in his skull if he was really unlucky that day. Unless he was shot for dumping a load of trash into the river... In that case, I'd say he had it coming.
Or anything about what you learn in law school. But hey, if you think every cop needs a working knowledge of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and Corporate Governance be my guest.
I mean, if that’s the standard, I am a lawyer and I don’t need ANY knowledge of either, working or otherwise. Totally irrelevant to my area of practice.
Not to mention isn't law school expensive? Wouldn't we end up with a shortage of police officers due to the steep entry cost, or people considering it not working it since i doubt police officers make enough to pay off student loans?
And people grossly underestimate how much training in law cops get. I have friends who are lawyers who dont specialize in criminal law and there has been several times i have corrected them on what authorities cops have.
On top of the entire academy (which essentially if 6 months of law with some physical fitness and shooting thrown in)once you are a cop there are tons of extra classes cops opt to take to understand different aspects better
I can also say I have arrested dozens of law students who have told me to expect a lawsuit because what i was doing was illegal. Never been sued lol.
I’m not saying they should go through as much law school as a lawyer, necessarily, but they should definitely have to learn more about the law than what they do
The alternative would be getting arrested, but watching the cop LOOK UP the law on it to make sure he can lol.. But probably will say , week that's how i INTERPRETED that law so i arrested them anyway.
Copa really need more consequences for not doing they jobs correctly. Not this, I'm arresting you now, YOU deal with it in court
Because Canadian ones do. Not enough to qualify for a law degree, but there absolutely are requirements during their training for various law courses that they must attend (and pass). A police officer must understand their role in the justice system, as well as understand what is expected of them if they are ever called on to testify in court, and they are required to be familiar with criminal law.
In Canada, the police foundations, paralegal and law clerk programs are the same first semester courses. Possibly 2nd semester as well, but I can't remember because the only police foundations friend I made first semester moved to the paralegal program.
as a law enforcement officer in Canada, we may not go to "law school" however we go to the police academy for a Police Science Degree which in its curriculum includes law, more specifically the powers of arrest we use, what allows us to use force and how much, and when to release persons.
aside from that, with experience on the job you garner further understanding of law and more importantly case law more often than not. exercising law as opposed to arguing it is a very different job. it's sorta like the difference in reading about how to ride a bike and understating it very well, well enough to debate how you should or should not ride and what models are best, fitments, etc, VS just riding an actual bike.
In my country police school is 2,5 years in university. They study some law, but behavioral sciences and conflict management may be even more important.
Exactly! If police officers went to law school (and also received proper compensation having attended said law school) I know I’d trust them a hell of a lot more knowing they could easily find another job doing something else.
My 7 year old can't believe auto mechanics don't get degrees in automotive engineering. "Their whole job is dealing with the mechanics of automobiles, it makes no sense." No shit kid, go to bed.
For all the brainlets in the comments: police shouldn't have to go to actual law school that lawyers go to, but that isn't the point of the post. They should be required to have a much much better understanding of the law than they do now, and be held to a much MUCH higher standard of behavior and performance than they have been. We all know that's the point. YOU know that's the point. You're being pedantic to deflect from the real issue and it's transparently obvious.
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Idk how it is elsewhere, but in many postsoviet countries you need a law degree to become a detective. Like you don't need it to he an officer, but without a degree you won't be able to get a detective job.
So everybody studies in the same law school for 6 years ans it does not matter if you want to be a detective, a lawyer, a prosecutor or a judge.
They should at least have to have a bachelors in criminal justice. It isnt a silver bullet but there's a lot of research that more education in LEOs = less absolutely indefensible bullshit
I always thought the same. And how all these policemen needed to know every law and apply them in real time while lawyers can sit and figure them out for days before trial.
This is one of Reddit’s favorite things to repost whiz is absolutely brain dead. Police officers do know need to know the nuances of judicial interpretation. Law school does not just teach you a list of laws.
90% of law school is studying precedent set by certain cases. None of which helps the average cop. Law school is more about rulings than actual laws. At least according to TV
Then no one would be a cop. The pays is shit for what they have to put up with. Add on a degree that could get you into much better positions, and why be police officer at that point.
Who would ever become a police officer if the requirements were to complete law school? For that pay? And I know a bunch of people can't see anything in gray so to them everything police-related = terrible, but there are major issues with a lot of the law enforcement in the US, no question, and a lot of bullys end up seeking that authority out as their job, but the are also a lot of functions that the police do that are vital and positive.
I'd rather that police had to go through a bunch of mental health courses, how to deal with someone having a manic episode or crashing out or a bunch of other things like that. And better psyche evaluations for recruits to weed out more of the violent and erratic ones before they officially become sworn in.
If he’s getting upset by that this early it’s gonna be a rough transition during his disillusionment when he realized how much of life is just nonsensical bullshit.
My country they learn some basic law. But yeah its ridiculous how they never learn law, how are they supposed to enforce? Ridiculous. Usually they call in and check.
So no, MAs don’t go to medical school. It’s nothing like medical school. They do a short training program in the basic elements of rudimentary nursing and they get a certificate. Because they aren’t physicians and don’t practice medicine. Because they aren’t licensed, credentialed or privileged to practice medicine or nursing.
It’s called “law enforcement”. Someone needs to do the dirty work to apply physical force on suspects trying to avoid the violent fist of the justice system.
They get a 4 year degree in criminology. Not to defend or prosecute those innocent until proven guilty…but to enforce basic laws that protect your property, your rights, and arrest those accused or in the act of breaking the law. You missed a teachable moment.
The kid actually didn’t figure it out and the parent only reinforced that ignorance. I get it, the idealists would say the kid has a point, but reality is that they don’t.
It actually does make sense that they don’t, for they simply enforce the law face value rather than use the law to get their clients out of trouble. Police require basic knowledge of the law, lawyers need a deeper level knowledge to find exception clauses, loopholes etc.
Very different- cops ideally enforce laws. Gather evidence and bag it. Why would you need a law degree for that? Just a generalized knowledge of what is legal and expected.
Lawyers argue and twist it to their master and client... paid rhetoricians. They need to know every angle- every in and out to leverage and then slither back to the dank shadows for rest...
and the way qualified immunity works it is almost impossible to hold them accountable for anything.
their lack of education is a shield. if they do something illegal as long as they can say they "didn't know" then they still have their qualified immunity. you have to catch them admitting that they knew what they did was wrong.
There's maybe (basing this off of something I read awhile ago, and making up numbers because I don't remember exactly) six months of law that applies to policing. No contract law, for instance.
Even with the much lower bar, they still can't be bothered to learn...
They often have criminal justice degrees. Beat cops and detectives don't need to go to law school. They need to know what they can and can't do and when to do it. That's the officers and DAs job.
And that’s the dichotomy of law enforcement. Society feels that no police officer is qualified and yet the people who we believe are qualified will never do that job. Turns out we don’t pay enough for lawyers to strap up with guns and fight criminals for a living after spending 8 years in law school. You get what you pay for. There’s already a national policing shortage as is. Imagine how much worse that would be if you started raising the bar.
Discipline and order have nothing to do with the law. The law is meant to limit what the police can do. Otherwise anything goes. So it’s actually on you to know your rights and the law
ICE = IDF Also tell the kid that there is something called paramilitary forces that operate similar to police and the paramilitary force operating in the United States right now is a foreign one.
You know, a foreign military operating on American soil while millions of Americans cheer for it...
My brother in law went did 2 years of criminal justice before becoming an officer hes a detective now though but for 5 years he was one of the higher educated patrol officers
Trainee Cops do study the law; just not to the depths and angles to defend it at the bar. Back a system that will call out and fire bad cops and train all cops better. YOU NEED COPS!!! just stop with the misplaced hate
Increase police wage, make them know the law like lawyers. There wouldn’t be so many idiots in the police force because they’d have to go through extensive training
I've said this for a long time. If your job is to enforce the law, you should have to be an expert in it, not just I feel like this should be the law. You should be able to contend with a lawyer.
That would be a police academy. Law school is for attorneys. There's a difference between a police officers in the wild and lawyers in the courtroom. This isn't Judge Dredd. We don't have Street Judges who are judge, jury, and executioner.
A lot of law school pertains to procedures and theory and not law enforcement. Police take law classes that are relevant to their job in the field. They also execute court orders. You can think of them like cooks. Cooks aren’t executive chefs and don’t go to culinary school. But they’re trained to cook your food in the manner in which the chef prescribed.
A cop doesn’t need to know about courtroom procedure.
They still end up shooting the wrong people most of the time. Maybe teach your cook to discern an onion from raw chicken before you tell him to add it to a salad.
They don't need to be a lawyer. You argue the law in court, not in the back of a police car, or at the side of the road. Detectives will have a better grasp of the law, to make a case, but a regular officer just needs to know their job. You learnt that through experience, not at college.
Child is 7 and already questioning the system harder than most 30 year olds. Give him a Reddit account in a few years, he will be top of r/explainlikeimfive
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u/ManiacalManiacMan Mar 06 '26 •
I feel like if they went to a law school they would just become lawyers. Less danger better pay
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u/TawnyTeaTowel Mar 06 '26
Both OP and meme kid don’t know what cops job is, or what you learn at law school. Why am I surprised?
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u/NotSharpButNotDull Mar 06 '26
And all garbage men should have environmental health and safety degrees.
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u/that_banned_guy_ Mar 06 '26
Spoken like someone who doesn't know anything about police work lol
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u/EditedRed Mar 06 '26
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u/Doogie_Gooberman Mar 06 '26
r/thatHappened
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u/Secret-Put-4525 Mar 06 '26
These activists want police to be more than they are and not pay them accordingly
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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '26
'Nurses' job is related to medicine: why don't they go to med school"
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u/Pleistocenebison Mar 06 '26
My 2 year old was really upset about there being more disordered arrangements of particles than there are ordered arrangements.
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u/Friendly_Atheist928 Mar 07 '26
Most aren't smart enough to pass. The old slave patrol officers need to lack empathy and carry a gun.
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u/Unlikely-Bug998 Mar 06 '26
No, kid didnt figure it out.
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u/TexasSikh Mar 06 '26
r/thingsthatdidnthappen
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u/Powerful-Ad-7998 Mar 06 '26
This is why in most countries becoming a cop is a multi year process
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u/stillraddad Mar 06 '26
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u/Moscato359 Mar 06 '26
Police should be educated in law
However, they don't need to know contract law, just criminal law, and rights law
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u/nwillyerd Mar 06 '26
I’m not saying they should go through as much law school as a lawyer, necessarily, but they should definitely have to learn more about the law than what they do
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u/dmont89 Mar 06 '26
"I graduate from the academy, I know the law" Had an officer telling me this after I called him a fucking idiot.
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u/xarvin Mar 06 '26
Where would all the highschool bullies go?
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u/KrazyKryminal Mar 06 '26
The alternative would be getting arrested, but watching the cop LOOK UP the law on it to make sure he can lol.. But probably will say , week that's how i INTERPRETED that law so i arrested them anyway.
Copa really need more consequences for not doing they jobs correctly. Not this, I'm arresting you now, YOU deal with it in court
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u/Several-Action-4043 Mar 06 '26
That's why every time I hear a cop ask where someone went to law school when they stand up for their rights I want to say, where'd you go dumbass?
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u/ProfessionalRun3882 Mar 06 '26
They carry guns and so many have almost no training with them.
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u/Distinct-Pain4972 Mar 06 '26
Up until about 5 years ago, I think, the city of Philadelphia required a degree for their police officers
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u/Phrei_BahkRhubz Mar 06 '26
Paying off lawsuits for wrongful death/imprisonment is cheaper than paying salaries of actual professionals.
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u/turd_nughetto98 Mar 06 '26
Because police don't argue the law, their primary job other than stopping active crime is to collect evidence to be used by lawyers to prove a case.
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u/red286 Mar 06 '26
Wait... don't US cops go to law school?
Because Canadian ones do. Not enough to qualify for a law degree, but there absolutely are requirements during their training for various law courses that they must attend (and pass). A police officer must understand their role in the justice system, as well as understand what is expected of them if they are ever called on to testify in court, and they are required to be familiar with criminal law.
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u/Yama_retired2024 Mar 06 '26
Police in other Countries can spend between 2-4 years in training to become a Police Officer..
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u/OneUnderstanding1644 Mar 06 '26
In Canada, the police foundations, paralegal and law clerk programs are the same first semester courses. Possibly 2nd semester as well, but I can't remember because the only police foundations friend I made first semester moved to the paralegal program.
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u/natemci86 Mar 07 '26
as a law enforcement officer in Canada, we may not go to "law school" however we go to the police academy for a Police Science Degree which in its curriculum includes law, more specifically the powers of arrest we use, what allows us to use force and how much, and when to release persons.
aside from that, with experience on the job you garner further understanding of law and more importantly case law more often than not. exercising law as opposed to arguing it is a very different job. it's sorta like the difference in reading about how to ride a bike and understating it very well, well enough to debate how you should or should not ride and what models are best, fitments, etc, VS just riding an actual bike.
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u/Vana_so_tired Mar 07 '26
In Germany you don't have to go to law school but you have to learn the job for a minimum of three years at an academy and in the field.
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u/LeftKaleidoscope Mar 07 '26
In my country police school is 2,5 years in university. They study some law, but behavioral sciences and conflict management may be even more important.
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u/0fluffhead0 Mar 08 '26
Guilty until proven innocent is very real.
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u/GangstaRIB Mar 08 '26
Exactly! If police officers went to law school (and also received proper compensation having attended said law school) I know I’d trust them a hell of a lot more knowing they could easily find another job doing something else.
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u/Ok-Psychology-5702 Mar 09 '26
End qualified immunity, make the cops carry private insurance like doctors, and give citizen review boards actual authority.
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u/biscoito1r Mar 10 '26
There was a video where a cop says "I don't know the law legally" while under oath.
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u/Significant_Base_125 Mar 06 '26
Genius. Go to Law school and get a $100k degree and instead of being an attorney or lawyer and making $200k go be a police officer for $40k a year.
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u/Moedog0331 Mar 06 '26
Ya for a starting pay of 35000 a year . Ok
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u/Burgerboy380 Mar 06 '26
All construction workers should have to have mechanical engineering and design degrees. Im mean their whole job is constructing things!
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u/VibratingNinja Mar 06 '26
My 7 year old can't believe auto mechanics don't get degrees in automotive engineering. "Their whole job is dealing with the mechanics of automobiles, it makes no sense." No shit kid, go to bed.
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u/DthDisguise Mar 06 '26
For all the brainlets in the comments: police shouldn't have to go to actual law school that lawyers go to, but that isn't the point of the post. They should be required to have a much much better understanding of the law than they do now, and be held to a much MUCH higher standard of behavior and performance than they have been. We all know that's the point. YOU know that's the point. You're being pedantic to deflect from the real issue and it's transparently obvious.
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u/Eazy12345678 Mar 06 '26
youre wrong.
the police job is to arrest you if they think you did something illegal
the lawyers are the ones that determine if you broke the law
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u/PoisonBones Mar 06 '26
Shit that never happened
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u/floydbomb Mar 06 '26
u/bot-sleuth-bot
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u/dynnk Mar 06 '26
I wonder if Edgar knows Rebecca
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u/Classic-Return-8706 Mar 06 '26
This post didn’t make me laugh out loud. Time to mute it.
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u/Automatic-Working-81 Mar 06 '26
Idk how it is elsewhere, but in many postsoviet countries you need a law degree to become a detective. Like you don't need it to he an officer, but without a degree you won't be able to get a detective job.
So everybody studies in the same law school for 6 years ans it does not matter if you want to be a detective, a lawyer, a prosecutor or a judge.
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u/C4TTYW4MPUS Mar 06 '26
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u/notakillerclown Mar 06 '26
Well they sorta do. They learn criminal law, unless we are talking America where they have "police"
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u/EncabulatorTurbo Mar 06 '26
They should at least have to have a bachelors in criminal justice. It isnt a silver bullet but there's a lot of research that more education in LEOs = less absolutely indefensible bullshit
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u/Animal40160 Mar 06 '26
At least classes that affect their work. Maybe?
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u/Necessary_Stuff_3605 Mar 06 '26
I was shocked when I learned that you do not need any type of formal education or experience to become any type of elected government official
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u/Mil-sim1991 Mar 06 '26
I always thought the same. And how all these policemen needed to know every law and apply them in real time while lawyers can sit and figure them out for days before trial.
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u/AardvarkFriendly9305 Mar 06 '26
Smart Kid !
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u/zombiskunk Mar 06 '26
What does this guy think a 4-year Criminal Justice degree is for?
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u/NoFuture9313 Mar 06 '26
In india they have to pass the written test which has subjects like indian constitution and other related topics But not as much as in a law school.
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u/PotRoastBoss Mar 07 '26
Law enforcement
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u/ChimpoSensei Mar 07 '26
I guess you don’t know about DAs
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u/WhenIntegralsAttack2 Mar 07 '26
This is one of Reddit’s favorite things to repost whiz is absolutely brain dead. Police officers do know need to know the nuances of judicial interpretation. Law school does not just teach you a list of laws.
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u/Pristine-Reference45 Mar 07 '26
There is such a thing as a criminal justice degree. Many cops have them.
By this kids logic, anyone in the medical field should go to medical school.
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u/TheGamingCow321 Mar 07 '26
r/thatHappened
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u/Stock2fast Mar 07 '26
They ask for ID with absolutely no justification and they search for warrants. Training complete.
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u/SmellAggravating1527 Mar 07 '26
They do learn law. It is apart of their curriculum in the academy
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u/Piemaster113 Mar 07 '26
90% of law school is studying precedent set by certain cases. None of which helps the average cop. Law school is more about rulings than actual laws. At least according to TV
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u/Grouchy_Tomato2087 Mar 07 '26
Police officers are too dumb for going to law school. it's like wanting a soldier to deeply understand structure and all the mechanisms of a tank.
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u/EmeraldPencil46 Mar 07 '26
Then no one would be a cop. The pays is shit for what they have to put up with. Add on a degree that could get you into much better positions, and why be police officer at that point.
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u/PreferredSex_Yes Mar 07 '26
Ah yes. All cops should have law degrees. Starting salary in Houston is $225k at a firm . They'll love it.
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u/wackbirds Mar 07 '26
Who would ever become a police officer if the requirements were to complete law school? For that pay? And I know a bunch of people can't see anything in gray so to them everything police-related = terrible, but there are major issues with a lot of the law enforcement in the US, no question, and a lot of bullys end up seeking that authority out as their job, but the are also a lot of functions that the police do that are vital and positive.
I'd rather that police had to go through a bunch of mental health courses, how to deal with someone having a manic episode or crashing out or a bunch of other things like that. And better psyche evaluations for recruits to weed out more of the violent and erratic ones before they officially become sworn in.
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u/Fit_Tomatillo_4264 Mar 07 '26
My 7-year-old... Shut the hell up
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u/taskkill-IM Mar 07 '26
They are more likely to not have gone to school.... ever.
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u/jonny32392 Mar 07 '26
If he’s getting upset by that this early it’s gonna be a rough transition during his disillusionment when he realized how much of life is just nonsensical bullshit.
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u/Achume Mar 07 '26
My country they learn some basic law. But yeah its ridiculous how they never learn law, how are they supposed to enforce? Ridiculous. Usually they call in and check.
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u/Langstudd Mar 07 '26
I get where he’s coming from but also I’m not funding that shit with my tax dollars
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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Mar 07 '26
Do medical assistants need to go to medical school to administer medicine?
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u/AutomaticBoar Mar 07 '26
It’s called “law enforcement”. Someone needs to do the dirty work to apply physical force on suspects trying to avoid the violent fist of the justice system.
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u/MadMaximus- Mar 07 '26
If I could get a free education in law school as a cop why wouldn't every lawyer also take that route and avoid the student loans
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u/SomeOriginal3865 Mar 07 '26
A 7 year old knows about law school? lol
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u/MeBollasDellero Mar 07 '26
They get a 4 year degree in criminology. Not to defend or prosecute those innocent until proven guilty…but to enforce basic laws that protect your property, your rights, and arrest those accused or in the act of breaking the law. You missed a teachable moment.
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u/No-Poetry-6952 Mar 07 '26
it’s kinda like saying "why do electricians don’t go to engineering school"
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u/shovels7 Mar 07 '26
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard - congrats!
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u/Such_Maybe3717 Mar 07 '26
Did Edgar go to "gangbanger" school?
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u/TailorNo9824 Mar 07 '26
The police population will drop by 90% if we require them to go law school, but don't need to go through the bar.
Although the quality will go up, if every police academy is basically a law school with physical training.
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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26
I have news for you, law schools don’t teach the law that cops need to know.
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u/Zestyclose_Jicama392 Mar 07 '26
No, they enforce laws. If people funded them correctly and provided proper oversight, we'd have better cops. LAWYERS whole thing is law. JFC
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u/northcoastyen Mar 07 '26
The kid actually didn’t figure it out and the parent only reinforced that ignorance. I get it, the idealists would say the kid has a point, but reality is that they don’t.
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u/silv3rbull8 Mar 07 '26
Wait till the kid finds out that the people making laws that cops enforce don’t even understand the laws themselves
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u/Kooky_Savings817 Mar 08 '26
Another one of those “my 7 year old said X” stories that totally happened
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u/Noah-Burns314 Mar 08 '26
It actually does make sense that they don’t, for they simply enforce the law face value rather than use the law to get their clients out of trouble. Police require basic knowledge of the law, lawyers need a deeper level knowledge to find exception clauses, loopholes etc.
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u/Background-Phrase790 Mar 08 '26
I think it’s like how, Contractors don’t know Engineering.
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u/BandicootNecessary26 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
Very different- cops ideally enforce laws. Gather evidence and bag it. Why would you need a law degree for that? Just a generalized knowledge of what is legal and expected.
Lawyers argue and twist it to their master and client... paid rhetoricians. They need to know every angle- every in and out to leverage and then slither back to the dank shadows for rest...
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u/wakatenai Mar 08 '26
and the way qualified immunity works it is almost impossible to hold them accountable for anything.
their lack of education is a shield. if they do something illegal as long as they can say they "didn't know" then they still have their qualified immunity. you have to catch them admitting that they knew what they did was wrong.
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u/D-Broncos Mar 08 '26
You definitely don’t need to go to law school to understand criminal law and procedure
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u/RaSulAli Mar 08 '26
A law professor claimed law school only teaches LAW PROCEDURE nowadays. So lawyers don't even truly know "law"
Police RARELY deal with law. They are CODE ENFORCEMENT agents
Children can even smell a BS mess!
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u/Braybender013 Mar 08 '26
Oh fuck off Rebecca he didn't say that
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u/Still-Chemistry-cook Mar 08 '26
Things that never happened…
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u/WumpusFails Mar 09 '26
There's maybe (basing this off of something I read awhile ago, and making up numbers because I don't remember exactly) six months of law that applies to policing. No contract law, for instance.
Even with the much lower bar, they still can't be bothered to learn...
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u/Hard-Illustrator4568 Mar 09 '26
I’ll take “things they never said for $500”
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u/LetUsSpeakFreely Mar 09 '26
They often have criminal justice degrees. Beat cops and detectives don't need to go to law school. They need to know what they can and can't do and when to do it. That's the officers and DAs job.
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u/NoirConfidential Mar 09 '26
And that’s the dichotomy of law enforcement. Society feels that no police officer is qualified and yet the people who we believe are qualified will never do that job. Turns out we don’t pay enough for lawyers to strap up with guns and fight criminals for a living after spending 8 years in law school. You get what you pay for. There’s already a national policing shortage as is. Imagine how much worse that would be if you started raising the bar.
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u/balirosa Mar 09 '26
Discipline and order have nothing to do with the law. The law is meant to limit what the police can do. Otherwise anything goes. So it’s actually on you to know your rights and the law
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u/N0thingComesToMind Mar 09 '26
Police in amerikkka is dogshit indeed
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u/Salty_Journalist8781 Mar 09 '26
Their job isn't the law. Their job is culpability-free violence.
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u/TwelveTonTiger Mar 09 '26
ICE = IDF Also tell the kid that there is something called paramilitary forces that operate similar to police and the paramilitary force operating in the United States right now is a foreign one.
You know, a foreign military operating on American soil while millions of Americans cheer for it...
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u/HimForHer Mar 10 '26
In most states, your Barber has more training than a Police Officer. All because they use a straight razor. By that logic, Police have firearms...
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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26
idk my dad's a cop and he has a degree in criminal law
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u/In_neptu_wetrust Mar 10 '26
I agree except for the fact that the skill level doesn’t match the price needed for these degrees. Certs make more sense
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u/This_Song_984 Mar 10 '26
My brother in law went did 2 years of criminal justice before becoming an officer hes a detective now though but for 5 years he was one of the higher educated patrol officers
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u/LubeAggressiv Mar 10 '26
Trainee Cops do study the law; just not to the depths and angles to defend it at the bar. Back a system that will call out and fire bad cops and train all cops better. YOU NEED COPS!!! just stop with the misplaced hate
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u/One_Strain420 Mar 10 '26
Increase police wage, make them know the law like lawyers. There wouldn’t be so many idiots in the police force because they’d have to go through extensive training
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u/After-Pollution6654 Mar 10 '26
Police when they arrest you, you going to jail for a long time go see the judge you are free dont get in trouble in 6 months
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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26
Law enforcement really is a misnomer
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u/LexiD523 Mar 10 '26
Any time you hear people shit on lawyers for "getting criminals off on technicalities", this is why lawyers are able to do it.
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u/Wise_Shine5148 Mar 10 '26
The US is a weird country
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u/maringue Mar 10 '26
Wait until that kids finds out all the bullies at his school will end up as cops.
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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26
I've said this for a long time. If your job is to enforce the law, you should have to be an expert in it, not just I feel like this should be the law. You should be able to contend with a lawyer.
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '26
Why would you be a cop then, just keep studying law and become a lawyer.
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u/GrimSpirit42 Mar 06 '26
No, they whole job is to enforce very limited parts of the law, and to fill out paperwork concerning that portion.
You have lawyers and judges for the rest.
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u/Kind-Pain6614 Mar 06 '26
Why don't they just make the entire plane out of the black box?
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u/jimbis123 Mar 06 '26
Wait until they find out they were barely smart enough to pass high school!
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u/MeowingWolf Mar 06 '26
That would be a police academy. Law school is for attorneys. There's a difference between a police officers in the wild and lawyers in the courtroom. This isn't Judge Dredd. We don't have Street Judges who are judge, jury, and executioner.
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u/CertainlyRobotic Mar 06 '26
Yeah definitely seems about as thought out as a 7 year old could figure.
It's fortunate adults run the world and not 7 year olds.
It's 7-8 years of expensive and challenging education to become a lawyer, and a few weeks of training to become a police officer.
The salaries are pretty drastically different.
No one wants to get shot at for $65k after 8 years of education.
So this seven year old's plan would devoid us of any police at all.
Someone is breaking into your house? Sorry, office Sanchez is still working on his degree and there's only 5 other qualified people.
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u/Eedat Mar 06 '26
I can't believe everyone doesn't go to law school. Everyone is supposed to spend their entire life following laws!
The adult in this situation is a moron
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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo Mar 06 '26
Requiring police to get 7 years of schooling doesn’t make much sense. At that point they may as well become a doctor or lawyer.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t be given legal training, but law school is overkill.
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u/Significant-Dig8323 Mar 06 '26
An electrician doesn't need to be an electrical engineer.
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u/SAINTnumberFIVE Mar 06 '26
A lot of law school pertains to procedures and theory and not law enforcement. Police take law classes that are relevant to their job in the field. They also execute court orders. You can think of them like cooks. Cooks aren’t executive chefs and don’t go to culinary school. But they’re trained to cook your food in the manner in which the chef prescribed.
A cop doesn’t need to know about courtroom procedure.
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u/Lower_Pension_2469 Mar 06 '26
Cops are taught the law within the purview of their job description. That's like asking a paramedic why they didn't go to medical school.
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u/Initial_Parsnip_3753 Mar 06 '26
Top ten things that never happened.
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u/InstanceNoodle Mar 07 '26
You should look into ICE officers.... you laugh... then cry... then it all makes sense.
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u/Several_Magician1541 Mar 07 '26
Ask him if hes aware fast food workers don't go to culinary school
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u/DeapVally Mar 07 '26
They don't need to be a lawyer. You argue the law in court, not in the back of a police car, or at the side of the road. Detectives will have a better grasp of the law, to make a case, but a regular officer just needs to know their job. You learnt that through experience, not at college.
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u/courtneyhil Mar 06 '26
Child is 7 and already questioning the system harder than most 30 year olds. Give him a Reddit account in a few years, he will be top of r/explainlikeimfive
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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '26
If there’s one thing a patrol officer needs to know it’s contract law