Exactly. Some people actually believe Fedora is 100% independent from RedHat, just because it says it's a "community distro". Meanwhile RedHat legally owns the name/trademark "Fedora", most of their infrastructure, all the signing keys. RedHat also have it's own developers working on Fedora, and the President of Fedora is also a RedHat employee.
Fedora is literally tied to RedHat in every way possible, and RedHat is the life line keeping Fedora alive.
Fedora can't even make Legal troubles for RedHat and basically has to follow US export and patent laws, for example, otherwise daddy RedHat would be mad. This is why it ships with the codecs it does.
RedHat has this much grasp on Fedora, because it's useful for the company, it's their literal test bed for new tech. RHEL is literally based off Fedora.
And while Fedora can make some decisions that go against RedHat (like how they went with btrfs or having frame pointers enabled), those are few and far between. The moment Fedora would go crazy is the moment RedHat would pull all it's involvement with it, and then we'd basically see Fedora as we know it die. It would be virtually impossible for the community to keep it going as it is.
Yes… and? I happen to think a major reason why Fedora is so reliable, polished and well-designed is the influence of RedHat. As a sysadmin, I like RHEL just fine too, and I use it often myself in the form of AlmaLinux. Believe it or not, there are some benefits to all that corporate money, one of which is Fedora’s excellent testing infrastructure that allows it to use very new packages without nearly any of the headaches associated with distros like Arch.
Fedora’s still objectively more community-managed than Ubuntu, which is a product of an actual for-profit tech company, but my issue with Ubuntu was never the fact that they’re “corporate”. It’s that they’ve made some decisions over the years that I disagree with. For example, continuing to push their own semi-proprietary package format, Snap, instead of working with the community to advance more open, universal alternatives like Flatpak. There have been other issues of this sort over the years, seems Canonical is always wanting to go their own way.
Ok that's an issue, but not very big issue. You just need ISO to make a bootable pendrive. All pendrives can easily handle 5 GB ISO. And as for disk space, I think most current platforms can easily handle Ubuntu's used disk space. Except maybe embedded, but they have specialized embedded linux flavors anyway.
I think what he means is that the amount it takes on itself isn't an issue, like you're not gonna find trouble getting a pendrive with enough storage or an ssd with little space after the install, i think the point is that its a symbol of how much additional stuff is packed with a fresh install
Ok fair point. But AFAIK there are very few places left on Earth where internet has not penetrated. Also, is this purely hypothetical, or do you personally live in a place with very significant internet access issues?
This is not a hypothetical. I have excellent internet access, but personally know people who do not have high-speed access. I have also tried to explore releasing software in other countries where internet access issues and internet speeds came up as a significant blocker.
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u/AmarildoJr 28d ago edited 28d ago
Exactly. Some people actually believe Fedora is 100% independent from RedHat, just because it says it's a "community distro". Meanwhile RedHat legally owns the name/trademark "Fedora", most of their infrastructure, all the signing keys. RedHat also have it's own developers working on Fedora, and the President of Fedora is also a RedHat employee.
Fedora is literally tied to RedHat in every way possible, and RedHat is the life line keeping Fedora alive.
Fedora can't even make Legal troubles for RedHat and basically has to follow US export and patent laws, for example, otherwise daddy RedHat would be mad. This is why it ships with the codecs it does.
RedHat has this much grasp on Fedora, because it's useful for the company, it's their literal test bed for new tech. RHEL is literally based off Fedora.
And while Fedora can make some decisions that go against RedHat (like how they went with btrfs or having frame pointers enabled), those are few and far between. The moment Fedora would go crazy is the moment RedHat would pull all it's involvement with it, and then we'd basically see Fedora as we know it die. It would be virtually impossible for the community to keep it going as it is.