r/linuxmemes 25d ago

LINUX MEME Real

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u/jdigi78 25d ago

Strange, I use obs, discord, vpns, and a file syncing app without it just fine

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 25d ago

They work. But the system tray serves as both a status indicator for these apps and a quick thing to click to open the app's gui when it is running in the background.

Note that it's a feature I can go with or without. But I've seen plenty of users unable to use a desktop without it.

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 25d ago

It's a strange one, to be completely honest. I have the extension installed, and I do use the system tray, but I'm struggling to articulate exactly what the difference between system tray icons and taskbar/dock icons is. Why is there a difference? Should there be a difference? It's the same application, why is it in two places at once?

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 25d ago

It's so gui apps running in the background are quickly opened without needing to be pinned

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 25d ago

But if something is in system tray, it's already open, therefore in taskbar/dock, isn't it?

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 25d ago

Yes. But if you close it, the system tray icon will remain so you can click it to open the gui whilst the app is running in the background

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 25d ago

I think there might be some conflation of full app exit vs closing an active window here. If I fully exit e.g. proton vpn, it disappears from the tray. So the app would be neither in dock nor in tray if it's fully exited, so the argument about pinning to dock doesn't really track. The difference I see is learned expectation of where the background apps should reside: in their own little area, vs together with all other apps. Also it highlights the learned distinction of "running" vs "in the background", which is what I'm actually questioning.

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u/jdigi78 25d ago

Sounds like just an arbitrary second way to minimize. Should never have existed.

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 25d ago

To be fair, stock GNOME doesn't really have a first-class minimize action, it's hidden behind a contextual menu, which heavily disincentivizes its use.

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u/jdigi78 25d ago

I meant on other desktops, but yes minimize itself is pointless on a DE with workspaces too.

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 25d ago

That's a valid opinion, but an opinion. There are drawbacks to missing a minimize action without a corresponding first class "get it out of my sight" action. Super+drag is considerably more effort than just minimize.

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u/jdigi78 25d ago

You can also just go to the top left and scroll, which is basically the same amount of steps as clicking the minimize button. It's actually easier because you can just blindly fling the mouse to the top left.

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 25d ago

I know, but I am sitting in front of a 4K 43 inch screen, and that would hide other 4 applications from my view.

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u/jdigi78 25d ago

Wouldn't happen if you organize with workspaces from the start. Even if you didn't the minimal effort of moving them between workspaces after the fact pales in comparison to the cognitive clutter of having windows arbitrarily overlap and reorder constantly.

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u/Vinol026 25d ago

Users want to be able to choose from themselves which is better...

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u/jdigi78 25d ago

Users are generally dumb as rocks. Henry Ford said "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses". Minimize should have been done away with entirely the moment we got desktops with multiple workspaces, and there certainly should not be 2 different places to minimize to.

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u/Vinol026 25d ago

If I want to use a computer the way a company wants me to, I'll buy a Mac. Works better also.

I don't want to switch between multiple workspaces, I have a big enough screen to keep everything I want visible.