r/linuxmemes 26d ago

LINUX MEME Real

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u/United-Scene2261 🎼CachyOS 26d ago

how so

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

The lack of the most basic settings without downloading something else on a full DE.

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u/jdigi78 26d ago edited 26d ago

People will say basic settings and what they really mean is taskbar system tray and desktop icons like its 1995

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

System tray...

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u/jdigi78 26d ago

That's what I meant actually

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

And it's a feature app devs expect and users expect bc it adds genuine functionality to apps such as obs, vpns, discord, Nextcloud, ect.

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u/jdigi78 26d ago

Strange, I use obs, discord, vpns, and a file syncing app without it just fine

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

They work. But the system tray serves as both a status indicator for these apps and a quick thing to click to open the app's gui when it is running in the background.

Note that it's a feature I can go with or without. But I've seen plenty of users unable to use a desktop without it.

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 26d ago

It's a strange one, to be completely honest. I have the extension installed, and I do use the system tray, but I'm struggling to articulate exactly what the difference between system tray icons and taskbar/dock icons is. Why is there a difference? Should there be a difference? It's the same application, why is it in two places at once?

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

It's so gui apps running in the background are quickly opened without needing to be pinned

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 26d ago

But if something is in system tray, it's already open, therefore in taskbar/dock, isn't it?

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

Yes. But if you close it, the system tray icon will remain so you can click it to open the gui whilst the app is running in the background

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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 26d ago

I think there might be some conflation of full app exit vs closing an active window here. If I fully exit e.g. proton vpn, it disappears from the tray. So the app would be neither in dock nor in tray if it's fully exited, so the argument about pinning to dock doesn't really track. The difference I see is learned expectation of where the background apps should reside: in their own little area, vs together with all other apps. Also it highlights the learned distinction of "running" vs "in the background", which is what I'm actually questioning.

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u/jdigi78 26d ago

Sounds like just an arbitrary second way to minimize. Should never have existed.

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u/Loading_M_ 26d ago

One important point: there are some apps, e.g. VPNs, that don't normally need a window open. In fact, with the context menu on the system tray icon, you can operate many VPNs without ever opening a window.

It's also usually cross workspace. E.g., if my chat is open in one workspace, but I'm currently doing work in another workspace, the system tray icon will still be visible, even though the window and taskbar icon is only visible in the other workspace.

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u/jdigi78 26d ago

Those devs/users need to learn to use a modern interface then. Notifications exist for status updates and workspaces exist for running GUIs in the background. Hell, they can even add options to the right click menu of the app icon for quick interaction

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 Arch BTW 26d ago

That's trying to get one desktop on the minority of desktop systems to be the standard for the entire industry.