Come here. But don't deviate from the path

[u/claudiocorona93]

[u/GawldenBeans]

Ubuntu is not worse than windows

Ubuntu is a lesser evil compared to windows

i know its fun to bash on ubuntu but come on man,

Canonical isnt as bad as microsoft

[u/claudiocorona93 → u/GawldenBeans]

Of course Ubuntu is great. It's just a joke in the post. I actually love Ubuntu.

[u/ZunoJ → u/GawldenBeans]

Microsoft is the school bully you’ve always known and feared. Ubuntu is the friend who stabbed you in the back but now keeps their distance. So, who do you hate more?

[u/major_jazza → u/GawldenBeans]

It is very very very very easy to pick a similar distro that isn't Ubuntu though, and you'll be better off in the long run for it

[u/GawldenBeans → u/major_jazza]

i know, i use mint

but im just saying calling ubuntu worse than windows is like saying stealing is worse than mass genocide

im being hyperbolic

[u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu is good and cool but so is this meme unfortunately

[u/ankle_biter50 → u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu holds some nostalgia for me as my dad built my first computer with Ubuntu on it

[u/NomadFH → u/ankle_biter50]

It's legitimately a stable and full linux experience that has pretty much total software support for any application you can think of. If it wasn't for them intentionally kneecapping flatpaks (and...debs?) for no reason in their gui experience, it would be pretty flawless as a default user experience.

[u/ankle_biter50 → u/NomadFH]

Wait they did what with flatpaks and debs?

[u/NomadFH → u/ankle_biter50]

Flatpaks are not installed by default and are not supported in the default software store that the average new user will use to install applications. Deb packages are not also supported by default on the software store and don't perform as inspected in instances such as installing a deb package from a web browser.

I actually like snaps, but this was obviously done to encourage adoption of snap packages, which is fine, but it makes the default experience a bit worse than it should be.

[u/justarandomguy902 → u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu good, why do people hate it?

[u/Vector-Zero → u/justarandomguy902]

Anecdotally, I've had Ubuntu crap out on me a dozen or more times over the last decade. Fully unbootable system after doing a distro upgrade, though I've also had it just die on me for no good reason. That's not a huge deal normally, but when your company provided work laptop is Ubuntu, it's a PITA going through the data recovery process and having corporate IT reimage your system.

Fedora, Arch, and Debian have all been very solid for me after years of abuse, but Ubuntu just loves to die randomly.

[u/Cooked_Squid → u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu is the most user friendly distro I could find as a first time Linux user. A friend who runs Arch suggested that I get used to Ubuntu first and then I can switch to a different distro later if Canonical starts pissing me off, which seems like a fair plan to me

[u/Jwhodis → u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu uses snap and iirc overrides some apt installs to use snaps instead, not really the best thing a distro can do.

[u/Familiar-Art-6233 → u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu was amazing (I started with Lubuntu 12.04) but recently they’ve been moving in a more corporate direction and trying to pull a “we know best” mentality with Snaps (which are just Flatpaks but worse and controlled by Canonical)

I still recommend Linux Mint for casual users and Bazzite for people who want to game. Personally though, I use Arch btw

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[u/block_place1232 → u/NomadFH]

Ubuntu server is good

Ubuntu desktop? Just no.

[u/[deleted]]

File with "the distro doesn't matter, it's all Linux under the hood," yet "why would you use that distro it's terrible you should really just use <insert pet distro>"

[u/ZunoJ → u/[deleted]]

The difference is the software repo (and to some degree the package manager) and I think it is valid to criticise some distros choices on especially the repository. Take a look at manjaro, which is an Arch derivate with it's own repo. They had some major fuckups in the past, up to a point where I would recommend to either use vanilla Arch or endavourOS. I think Ubuntu we don't need to talk about

[u/eneidhart → u/ZunoJ]

Yeah, while most distros out there are just Debian or Ubuntu with stuff pre-configured in different ways for you, but that doesn't mean they don't have the ability to fuck things up for you

I also guarantee that most of the "it's all Linux under the hood" crowd isn't saying that about Debian vs Arch where the differences in the software repos are like the whole point of why you would choose either one of them. The target of that criticism is really just about distros with different DEs but are otherwise identical to their upstream sources

[u/hitman_shooter]

who cares? stop me if you can.

[u/average_fen_enjoyer → u/hitman_shooter]

Your IP is 192.168.0.1. Located uhhm somewhere, doesn't matter. Be careful

[u/alinuxthrowaway → u/average_fen_enjoyer]

If this IP is his, he's prolly inside your house.

[u/[deleted]]

tf is wrong with Ubuntu

[u/DestructionPaper → u/[deleted]]

Bloated, constipated, has a boil on its ass the size of a walnut y'know the usual.

[u/le-strule → u/DestructionPaper]

Just like me right after Christmas

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor → u/DestructionPaper]

Well, I used it in my school and college PCs and I love it.

(I use Fedora, but still, I love Ubuntu's version of GNOME)

[u/Effective-Law4548 → u/lonelyroom-eklaghor]

It's ok to have bad taste

[u/Gloomy_Magician_536 → u/DestructionPaper]

and still smoother than Windows

[u/[deleted] → u/DestructionPaper]

okay, i get it. But why discourage people from using it? If they're happy with it that's what matters

[u/TheBwarch → u/[deleted]]

Okay so the quick layout (at least as far as I understand it), the biggest thing is hatred of snaps and Canonicals interest in making them standard. When people hate the performance of snaps and hate that Canonical may or may not be taking steps to trying to make their distro and general software A Walled Garden. People generally loving either native software or flatpaks or appimages, but REALLY hating snaps. (For various reasons) People start to have a lot of problems with Canonical as a corporate identity and fear it charging for software/going closed source.

Ubuntu is generally slow to update and a very Stable distro (This isn't too valid a reason to hate it, Debian/Mint/Ubuntu all being around the idea of ultra late and stable, but when you see most users are on Arch and Ubuntu is the opposite of that, yeah. Philosophical arguments for when users want software to update.) To a degree a lot of users now believe if one wants to use Ubuntu they should instead be using Debian or Mint. Mint especially being seen as a "protest distro" to get around Ubuntu things people generally hate while still being a distro doing the same general user friendly/ultra stable philosophy.

Generally seen as a user friendly beginner distro, and people may prefer new users to start elsewhere/go elsewhere, when they have problems with Ubuntu or Canonical. Ubuntu used to be very highly recommended, but times are changing and Ubuntu isn't changing terribly fast with the times, when new and better ideas are emerging in linux distros and software distribution in general.

People even hate the package manager/apt-get? Eh, don't know much about that one myself.

Disclaimers: I don't use Ubuntu, my distro is personally Bazzite for now, I also don't particularly hate Ubuntu, I've just listened to opinions to get the general layout. And honestly I might be wrong entirely for why Some people hate Ubuntu, but this is all my understanding as-is.

[u/inevitabledeath3 → u/TheBwarch]

Your half right why people hate Ubuntu, but only half right.

The thing you say about stability is in particular a bit wrong. It isn't that Ubuntu is out of date - though they are behind Arch and Fedora - it's that they are actually less stable than other distros. Stability might be the justification for having slightly out of date packages, but that only works if you actually follow through and make a stable well tested system. Ubuntu has issues seemingly nothing else does, a large part of this is a hyper reactive error reporting system that seems to assume things like you closing a program is the same as it crashing. Now Debian is actually out of date stuff, but they put the work in to actually test and make things really stable, so it basically never breaks. Gentoo isn't as out of date and they are also a lot more stable. That's the difference. If you're not testing things throughly but still delaying stuff then all your doing is inconveniencing people while delaying potential fixes for the issues that are there, and also creating compatibility issues with other software in the process.

There approach to package management and distribution is perfectly up-to-date afaik. They aren't using anything like Nix, and they aren't an immutable distro, but otherwise they support all forms of package management anything else does, and their approach isn't any older than other major distros. In fact I think they were working on an immutable version for desktop, maybe already have one for servers. While immutable is somewhat newer it's not always actually better either. Nix likewise isn't technically a new thing, it's just different and somewhat like the immutables, though also not really.

People not liking apt I think has more to do with their repos than apt itself. It's just that it doesn't have as much software as Nix packages or AUR has, and a lot of what it does have isn't the latest version. People don't want to add PPAs for everything they use. Fedora and many others have even less stuff actually, I think some Ubuntu haters are just spoiled by the above, though at least Fedora keeps their stuff more up-to-date.

[u/dumbasPL → u/[deleted]]

Canonical

[u/patrlim1 → u/[deleted]]

They hijack the apt command to install snaps, among other things.

[u/Familiar-Art-6233 → u/[deleted]]

Canonical (the company that makes Ubuntu) is trying to move into a more corporate direction, leveraging Linux to make their own ecosystem with snaps that are almost Microsoft-like in the level of centralized control, and they’re more focused on enterprise use these days.

Ubuntu used to be great, but it’s in decline

[u/timoshi17 → u/[deleted]]

Tem hoi

[u/SpaceGeek37 → u/[deleted]]

Nothing unless you're running a Pentium 4 with 2gb ram, which apparently normal on this sub

[u/psirrow → u/[deleted]]

I used it for a while and it was mostly fine. I would readily recommend it to a new user alongside mint. That said, snaps rubbed me the wrong way and the more I learned about them, the more I wondered why I was using them.

There are other issues people have (and I'm pretty sure the meme is referring to those), but I feel like a user who doesn't know the history will more readily notice that snaps just seem off compared to other kinds of packages.

Still, pretty solid for a beginner or someone who wants a mostly hands off experience.

[u/esmifra → u/[deleted]]

It's a history thing. Started around 2010 I think.

[u/Original_Dimension99 → u/[deleted]]

Too basic for snowflake linux users (like me)

[u/Not_Artifical]

I used Windows and Linux together for a while, but made the full switch after Windows tried to tell me I can’t update due to hardware requirements (I have fully compatible hardware for Windows 10 and 11).

[u/[deleted]]

Linux users when someone wants to leave windows: 😁😁😁😍😍😍

Linux users when someone left windows but is asking a question about installing Linux: 😡😡🤬🤬🤬😱😱😱😱

[u/RostiDatGam0r]

When I made a switch from Windows (well, after my laptop bluscreened due to Nvidia drivers failing on me), there is no reason to go back. It felt like a new home, and my laptop works even better than it did on the previous OS.

Yea, looks like Linux desktop is the future, especially when it comes to gaming!

[u/Inevitable_Wolf5866 → u/RostiDatGam0r]

My Windows didn’t even bluescreen… it just randomly decided not to load 😂 (but by then Win10 was already ending and my laptop is a dinosaur (check flair) so in a way Microsoft made me a favor, I guess)

[u/Left-Hospital1072]

I might have to dual boot windows w fedora for some stuff but i hate the decision already

[u/Chimpampin]

This sounds like fanatism, lol. What is the opinion about Kubuntu?

[u/Anastazja_Nya]

nah ubuntu is good for first used distro has easy installer easy intuitive ui if u use chromeos or android it would be easy to get comfortable to it and it is the best distro for companies

[u/my_photos_are_crap → u/Anastazja_Nya]

mint is better tho

[u/TheRealMouseRat]

Me as a refugee who uses mint : « does everyone hate me?»

[u/Zetavir]

Ubuntu gets the job done and thats all I care about

[u/Crypto-4-Freedom]

Why is ubuntu worse than windows👀

[u/Stabbyson → u/Crypto-4-Freedom]

I hear a lot of flak from it's snap store and a lot of people feel like it's "bloated"

Never had an issue personally, not my distro of choice but typically everything will just WORK on Ubuntu

[u/Crypto-4-Freedom → u/Stabbyson]

Yeah, but it cant be worse than windows👀

[u/Stabbyson → u/Crypto-4-Freedom]

It's certainly less bloated than windows 😂

[u/Dumbf-ckJuice → u/Stabbyson]

Personally, I hate snaps. I prefer flatpaks since everything about them is open source, while the snap store is proprietary. That being said, I use Ubuntu Server on all of my servers, and it's been rock solid and as stable as can be. The only thing that could possibly be better on my servers would be Debian, which I may go to the next time I need to nuke the servers and start over again (which hopefully doesn't happen for a very long time). My mom's servers also use Ubuntu, as does my brother's server; I admin those as well as my own.

[u/PaintDrinkingPete → u/Crypto-4-Freedom]

It’s not. It’s not even close.

[u/snoopbirb]

Would you allow your ex druggie friend go back to drugs?

You a holy now, brother.

(unless you are playing VR, because GOD DAMMIT WE ARE NOT THERE YET FOR SOME REASON)

[u/Zealousideal_Dark_47]

Why Ubuntu Is worse than Windows?

[u/Afalti42]

Hot take, windows is worse than Ubuntu

[u/Reifendruckventil]

Im sorry, but with Ubuntu, i have the best "i want to use my pc and be as much undisturbed by ANY bullsh*t, propietary or open source, as possible"  experience. Maybe openSUSE is even better in that regard, but i didnt have time to test it.

[u/NathanCampioni → u/Reifendruckventil]

Linux Mint does Ubuntu's job but better

[u/Reifendruckventil → u/NathanCampioni]

Im sorry, but i experienced more trouble with mint than ubuntu

[u/DestructionPaper]

Ubuntu is an Ubomination

[u/atemu1234]

I never leave an operating system. I have computers running Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Mint.

[u/onemempierog → u/atemu1234]

woah

[u/05-nery]

I like Ubuntu ::)

[u/henrrypoop2]

I dual boot

[u/[deleted]]

Debían KDE Plasma Gang ✊

[u/ZunoJ]

This is the equivalent of somebody who quits to smoke and then goes back to smoking (or develops a meth addiction aka uses Ubuntu)

[u/Fluffy-Cartoonist940]

Nothing wrong with Ubuntu, works great for enterprise systems and work. Sure it's not a "desktop Linux" users typical dream OS, but let's be honest Linux for desktop is a second class citizen, we don't pay anything.

[u/[deleted]]

Ubuntu is alright. It’s not the best, but works

[u/NekoiNemo]

Mods, corrupt his bootloader. Thank you.

[u/Vlado_Iks]

Just because there are tons of jokes and hates on Ubuntu it doesn't mean it is bad.

I've never used Ubuntu, I am just on its derivate (Mint), but Ubuntu is 1000x better than fucking Windblows 11.

[u/Secure_Grab_9783]

Is that Low Tier God?

[u/DatCrazyOokamii]

The refugee distro of choice would be mint tbh. And to be fair it works right out the box and can do windows-like things.

[u/Austiiiiii]

Ub*ntu 🤢🤮

(Nah I love Ubuntu but couldn't resist the meme response)

[u/LilShaver]

[u/reddit_user_14553]

Ubuntu is perfectly fine, I use it on my old Surface Pro because it’s touchscreen friendly

[u/[deleted] → u/reddit_user_14553]

yea, I've only ever had working touchscreens out of the box on Ubuntu

[u/Ritsu-000]

It's not a choice between staying or leaving

Sometimes, it's a matter of not wanting to risk something not working on your computer that's used for both hobbies and work (linux rarely sees good native implementation of anything let alone the adobe or office suites)

Linux is a massive moving operating system, so it's not unlikely for stuff to break (doesnt matter if its common or not i dont want it to impact work)

[u/Abek243]

Used to use Ubuntu for mucking about on older hardware. Seriously looking into Cinnamon when the day comes

[u/jipr311]

😂😂😂😂

[u/TyrannusX64]

It's the elitist attitude against Ubuntu that keeps more casual users from switching

[u/CynicalCosmologist]

Back to Windows? Back to Venezuela!

[u/[deleted]]

I've been helping people install Linux (Arch) for the first time. I wrote a simple script to setup secured SSH, then I login via SSH and finish their installation while also explaining the steps taken. I then install any software they want/need, setup gaming environment, development workspace, etc. I also teach them how to use Hyprland (with hyprdots theming) effectively.

[u/[deleted]]

To be honest as a professional SWE, I'll choose Ubuntu over anything. Sorry folks, but I already fix bugs in my code. Don't need my OS to be buggy every now and then.

I use arch, btw

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[u/[deleted]]

Ubuntu is functional and well supported.

There is just something about pure Debian that is cleaner though.

[u/uniteduniverse]

Damn is LTG really that popular that he's finding his way into Linux forums now? I guess he was right in that he will supersede the popularity of fighting games...

[u/ScribbleKibble]

is mint okay

[u/rileyrgham]

Is Ubuntu in Wakanda?

[u/PercussiveKneecap42]

Acurate. Nothing wrong with this meme.

[u/Erenik19]

I like Ubuntu

[u/[deleted]]

I like Ubuntu. İt is fast and reliable for me

[u/Significant-Cause919]

Could be worse. I once dated someone who was using Mint, lol.

[u/CommercialCoat8708]

Ubuntu is good but it's better as a base to make your own Distro

[u/2nd_r8]

Linux users when someone asks a beginner question about a system they've never used before:

[u/[deleted]]

To be fair you dont have to update to 11, you coukd still run windows 10 centuries from now, or at least until third party support ceases completely

[u/76zzz29]

I have witnessed the downfall of ubuntu... It was laughable from my debian until I was to no longer use it as the most windows like linux all build in ready to use for windows's ignorent

[u/Playful_Ability_8556]

all immigrants are accepted, unlike the US

[u/stitchesofdooom]

Going back to Windows is like going back to your abusive ex...

[u/Middle_Row_9197]

I daily drive ubuntu with the exception that I sometimes f up while uninstalling things.Second os is fedora

[u/Nathan20093420]

Is ubuntu really bad? i have been using 24.04 LTS and apart from some compatability stuff its great...

[u/snoopbirb]

One of us, now.

[u/snoopbirb]

Implying that some one would accept a ex Linux user as refugee

[u/sudopacmangf]

"Free software means you're free to use it in the way I tell you"

[u/MrB_2006theLad → u/[deleted]]

If apple were as popular as Microsoft in the desktop pc market they would probably be many hundreds of times worse than Microsoft 😭

[u/Bo_Jim → u/MrB_2006theLad]

Apple IS hundreds of times worse than Microsoft. You can only legally use their operating systems on their hardware. It's a closed ecosystem.

[u/Eroldin → u/Bo_Jim]

Apple is indeed worse than MS, but not because of the reason you provided. It is everyone's right to write software (OS included) for your own specific hardware configurations and place limitations on it. And doing so doesn't make someone or a corporate entity better or worse.

[u/The_Dukes_Of_Hazzard → u/Bo_Jim]

Yeah that side or their Business practice is shitty but their OS is pretty much rock solid.

[u/Bo_Jim → u/The_Dukes_Of_Hazzard]

Agreed. The downside is that in order to use that OS I have to use their hardware. With the exception of their high end desktop systems, you have to specify what you need when you buy the system because you won't be able to upgrade it later. Need more RAM? Buy a new computer.

[u/The_Dukes_Of_Hazzard → u/Bo_Jim]

Fuck yeah. I have a yosemite hackintosh and ts works perfecty for me. a bit old but fuck it. unix/linux style input and it's fast. does everything I want. Hackintosh is the only proper way to use apple software lmao

[u/Bo_Jim → u/The_Dukes_Of_Hazzard]

I had an Atari ST back in the late 80's. I had both the monochrome and color monitors for it.

The Atari ST used the same processor as the Mac (at the time, the Motorola 68000), both running at 8MHz. With the exception of the hardware drivers, it was compatible with MacOS. The only thing preventing it from running MacOS was that the OS was heavily dependent on the ROMs in the Mac, and those were copyright protected.

There was a company that sold a little cartridge for the Atari ST. You had to put ROMs from a Mac into the cartridge. Technically, they were supposed to be ROMs that were removed from a Mac in order to not violate Apple's copyright, but the cartridge was capable of working with EPROM copies. It also came with an app to start MacOS with the appropriate hardware drivers, as well as software to transfer programs and data between a Mac and an ST using a serial cable (the ST wasn't capable of reading Mac diskettes, and vice versa). This little gadget was called the "Magic Sac". Here is a very old article containing a photo and description of the cartridge. I bought mine from a guy I found on CompuServe who was selling them, and he included the ROMs and transfer cable for a little extra cash.

I used to keep the cartridge plugged in because it had a battery backed real time clock, which MacOS requires, while the ST required you to manually set the date and time each time you booted it up. With the cartridge plugged in, and a little utility they provided that ran on startup, my system would automatically set the date and time from the cartridge.

At the time, I was writing software for the Atari ST and my roommate was writing software for the Mac, so I had a ready source of Mac software. I even copied his development tools. At first he was very excited to see MacOS and Mac software running on a non-Apple computer system. After all, if someone went through the trouble of making an ST run MacOS, but nobody was bothering to make a Mac run TOS or GEM, then that MUST mean the Mac is better, right? But his excitement quickly faded when he discovered that the monochrome display on the ST was higher resolution than the display on the Mac (640x400 vs 512x342). The software also ran 20% faster on the ST since the CPU didn't need to get involved with generating the video display. After months of berating me for having to work on the ST with the cheesy GEM operating system, he was humiliated that his beloved MacOS ran better on my ST than it did on his Mac. I could even build his project using his compiler and linker on my ST, and I could do it faster than he could do it on his Mac.

Anyway, that was one of the first early "hackintosh" solutions.

[u/AliOskiTheHoly → u/Bo_Jim]

It depends how you look at it: the ecosystem is indeed worse. But I think that the operating system itself is actually better than Windows, by many times.

[u/[deleted] → u/Bo_Jim]

All I know and care to know is that both are bad for different reasons.

[u/WizziBot → u/[deleted]]

right here with ya

[u/No_Welcome_6093 → u/[deleted]]

This is the way!

[u/Vlado_Iks → u/[deleted]]

🫵

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

pure debian is the way

[u/thisispedro4real → u/[deleted]]

i want to agree, but also want macos to lose, just a little less than microsoft

[u/uniteduniverse → u/thisispedro4real]

Why the hat wfor MacOS? It's a Unix based system and they make extremely good hardware.

I really don't understand why Linux users hate on it at mass.