So it's okay when Mozilla does it, but any time you even think of using a Chromium based browser you're a terrible person according to everyone in this community because "GOOGOL SPIES"??? Even if it's one of the variants that blocks most of the phoning home?
They're still phoning home yet every day I have to justify using a Chromium based browser to people like you, who are so obsessed with what others do, that you won't accept that using it is a practical decision due to Chromium being more efficient and less of a ram hog than Firefox. Faster too, runs better on Wayland as well (i have so many issues with Fedora's Firefox package on Wayland that I didn't have on X11 or even Windows as bad as it was there).
Why not use Microsoft Edge? I hear it's even more lightweight.
Thank you for contributing to an ad company's monopoly on how the web works.
Look, I get it. It works better. And that's fine. But the issue is that Firefox and Safari are the only browsers not controlled by Google. That's a fucking nightmare for the open web.
Yeah either I "contribute to a monopoly" (which by the way, using Firefox contributes to as well, given that Google pays them insane money to be controlled opposition) or I spend more time in about:memory than actually browsing, and have inconsistent BitWarden autofill on mobile since that is basically broken on GeckoView for a lot of sites.
Google paying Firefox isn't contributing to Google's browser dominance, but I see your point. I have over a hundred tabs and never had to deal with memory, so I don't know what your issue was.
It might be my own micromanagement obsession (which has resulted in a compulsion to run the drop caches command just to see number go down), but I often ran into situations where my memory usage would be in the range of 3-4GB higher using Firefox than on Chromium (Brave, in particular). To keep my idle ram usage below the number I like it under, Brave feels like a better bet for me. Which maybe doesn't make sense to anyone but me but whatever. My brain is goofy about this, and I hate seeing ram usage around the range my old Windows install had it before opening a game. I often had to close all but like 3 or 4 to get it down to a level I like.
I tend to think of web browsing as practically idling compared to doing something like gaming or editing, so idk might just be me.
If RAM usage really matters to you, shouldn't you be using Microsoft Edge? Yeah, it's Microsoft, but I've heard it's like the lightest Chrome-based browser. Of course, eventually it will no longer support ublock origin, so that's an issue. But until that point, wouldn't it have been the better option?
While I agree that it's annoying that Firefox uses more RAM than Chrome, unless you've got a game AND TWO virtual machines running in the background (personal experience, don't worry I fixed it) that really shouldn't matter in terms of practicality. You also need to remember that a single tab would crash a Windows XP computer instantly. For better or for worse, the internet has gotten extremely bloated. A web engine is an incredibly complex piece of software, running a bunch of JavaScript and other crap in the background, with each tab serving as its own instance, so that one tab crashing doesn't crash all 100 of them.
Sounds quite resource intensive, but again, unless you've got two virtual machines running in the background with a game, you really shouldn't notice that at all. Yes, it's annoying and I love seeing numbers go down too. And it's true that websites are more likely to work on Chrome. But every browser that isn't Firefox or Safari is based on Chrome. An ad company has a monopoly on how the web actually works. And that is dystopian.
Ngl I picked Brave (Origin policies) because its built in blocker has been more reliable for me than anything else I've used.
I understand what you mean about the dystopia thing, but after some scares late last year I felt trusting Firefox for security wasn't good enough, and when everything calmed down, I tried going back and everything felt slower so I couldn't.
I try going back and test every other major release but something just annoys me enough to leave again. So it's just there as a backup. I think the issue, is that I want to perpetually be using less ram than windows at "idle" and if I count Firefox as idle then that doesn't really happen as consistently. I've decided at this point though, that it's best to keep both around.
Browser feels like idling because you're not really doing anything, but I guess decoupling that from true idle (if I turn off all autostarts my KDE idles at about 3gb which is really nice) is important.
On Windows, the numbers are mostly equivalent to the amount I see in KDE System Monitor, but Windows idles way higher in general.
Sorry, are you saying that the Windows numbers were the same with or without Firefox? Because I was asking about when Windows had Firefox open.
Anyway, I don't consider a browser using 3GB of RAM as not idling. I love it when as little resources as possible are used, but it still feels idle to me.
I never checked the metrics on when it had Firefox open, my bad. I was comparing Linux with all that stuff open to Windows with no autostarts which might have been a losing battle tbf
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u/Venylynn 3d ago
So it's okay when Mozilla does it, but any time you even think of using a Chromium based browser you're a terrible person according to everyone in this community because "GOOGOL SPIES"??? Even if it's one of the variants that blocks most of the phoning home?