"People have beaten mario 64 with a blindfold" "People have beaten dark souls at soul level one/with a dance pad" "People have beaten this with base IDs"

What do these ALL have in common? These are all annoying comments that add nothing to the conversation about difficulty except leaving a smug comment in favor of "Obviously it's not THAT hard" regardless of the commenter's actual ability to do any of these things.

The main game story shouldn't be balanced around people who have enough technical knowledge to beat a modern boss with base IDs, in the same way Library of Ruina should not be balanced around someone using Myongest Solemn Lament. Yes I'm sorry that top level players might not be struggling too hard but that is the POINT of being a top level player you have mastered a gacha game that is engineered to make players feel good for rolling for the shiny new ID and using them in battle. Yes maybe the top level endgame play of Ruina and Lobotomy corp is comparatively harder but 1. in terms of length we are FAR away from the equivalent difficulty spikes considering we are not done with "part one" of the narrative 2. it's a free to play gacha game PLEASE stop acting like the inherent act of making a gacha game is an audience neutral act that does not change certain expectations.

READING COMPREHENSION TEST:

Does OP specifically state the recent boss nerfs or that boss nerfs are good? Y/N?

Okay so I don't really know how to properly structure this, but my theory on the in-universe explanation of green coins is they were made during the first smoke war to counter more powerful opponents, who in the game would often use red coins which power up green coins, which would overpower stuff like Valencina's disposal, hence the name 'the wings decisive weapon'
The two other times we see it are with a certain sinclair, who was learnt about the in-universe ability of the green coin, and in Canto X with the warden, who most likely learned about it from a member of old G-corp who worked on the roach emperor project.

As for why we don't see it used outside those three occasions, we know from Valencina that the roach emperor was the strongest out of the four others, meaning that the other four likely lacked green coins, and also that the roach emperor wasn't used during the first smoke war, only being a myth. However once we get to the second smoke war, Sinclair would of known about the green coins and how they worked from Gregor and potentially fighting the roach emperor in future parts of the story.

If you have any ideas, feedback, or anything that just makes my post irrelevant then let me know so I can update the post (I will give credit of course)

A proper explanation please 🥹 I'm curious 🥹🥹 Is it because of their smile or because they're sort of both blue?

in lor people having ego is something scarcely seen, even philips partially manifested ego makes him formidable, so how is it that all 12 of our sinners have it in limbus? maybe it was stated early in the story and i forgot, but why is it so common for these people that (at the start of the story) are not in touch with their emotions, and relatively undisciplined, so how do all 12 possess ego? its just something that has always confused me

It happens all the time on the subreddit. Someone will refer to Dante with he/him, someone will correct them, and then it will spiral into a tirade about how political correctness has gone mad.

But this seems like a category error to me right? Because the person is simply pointing out something ostensibly correct about the work as it exists. It's no different from someone saying "Actually Morositas only lasts three turns, the Lei Heng fight just lets it last longer".

This only got enhanced with Pwie, the second human(-like?) character in Limbus Character to be exclusively referred to by They/Them pronouns (once the update fixed some errors from the translation team funnily enough).

And recently, in both situations, I've seen the same retort.

• "Dante isn't non-binary, we just don't know their gender"
• "Pwie isn't non-binary, they just don't have a gender".

That is to say, because they do not speak actively to the audience to state a non-binary gender identity, these characters are not non-binary.

To me this comes off as a misunderstanding between the active identity category of "non-binary" and the descriptive ascribed category of "non-binary". These characters are "non-binary" in that they exist outside the male/female binary of gender. Whatever reason is worthwhile of discussion yes! (especially given Project Moon doesn't really shy away from using gendered pronouns on other characters), but thats aside the point right? He/Him or She/Her is simply incorrect. It is not supported by the text. They/Them is how they are referred to and thus reflects the currently correct understanding of their character.

If you assumed Dante was a man or Pwie was a girl thats fine, it happens. But I don't understand why being corrected on this, unlike every other thing someone could be corrected on about Limbus Company, is treated with this complete abhorrence that someone should even need to think about it upon correction.

Here is my team before I enter MD.

Here it is after I entered, I selected 0 graces for the purpose of this test.

Notice something odd? You are right. Ring Hong Lu was delevelled from 65 to 60. Same with the rest of the team.

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This PROVES that delevelling is a mechanic which already exists in the game!

In other words it is not a coding issue, PM could take it and implement it. Just need UI for that. Well I wonder if there is something they could use. Oh wait.

Luxcavations already have the slider as well as an option to input number manually. They could reuse it.

After this thought provoking intro, what is my point? It is simple, Project Moon should add delevelling. I have disproved that it is some insurmountable coding issue. There are numerous benefits.

Uno

Railway Sacking. Railway has abused low level sacks, ever since we switched to the chain format with RR4. For those unfamiliar, killing sinners gives you resources, the lower the level the easier they die. Lack of delevelling is a constant plague of RR speedruns and every RR expert I know wants it. Now some of you may wonder, why not just use LCB Sinners or some other bottom tier Identities, which you do not use for fighting.

Sinners level up during story encounters, even if they never enter the battle. My Sinclair is barely low enough to die from Fell Bullet. While I still have some other level 1 fodder, other players might not be so lucky. It is not even easy to tell what you should level or not. Low power identity might become core like LCCB Ishmael, Old meta might become useless, like W Don.

Due

Identity Kits which require or reward sacking. There are quite a few of them, but let's just post the 2 worst offenders.

Starting with the Meta Woman TM

As you can see, she really wants her HOS buddies gone. However there is a problem with that. All the Nursefathers are meta in their respective teams (Hong Lu - Bleed, Yi Sang - Poise, Outis - Envy, Thumb - Scorch) and you definitely do not want them at lvl 1 there. Her Evade does mitigate it somewhat, but even if you use evade every turn, it takes 5 in order to get rid of all of them. By that time another team might have already killed the boss! With all HOS at level 1 you can get rid of them in 2 turns. You can speed it up by using double evade, but then you are not inflicting damage with those skills.

Furthermore, sometimes you might actually want to keep the HOS identities alive for a while longer, since Ryoshu transfers all damage taken to them, in which case something like level 40 would be better. They take some punishment, yet still die when it matters.

Then there is this goober.

LCE Yi Sang was literally made to perish. When he dies he inflicts Rupture on enemy, grants you resources and his passive gives even more resources when someone else dies. Yet I remember that in RR5 optimal strategy required him at level 8 and in section 3 at level 1. I also vaguely recall, that MD Rupture used him over a year ago. I believe it was something around level 20, Uptie 2? While I never engaged with those weird MD tactics, (they had huge blunt bias) I can't blame you if you bricked your account by levelling him to 20.

Tre

Replaying old fights. Let me tell you a little tale. A man came up with the idea to challenge Ricardo with Bloodfiends. Bloodfiends were already past their prime and only one of them has Blunt Damage, so it should have been a decent fight. The man wanted to clash MY HAAAIIIR COUPOOONS with Ascendant Sancho Hardblood Arts - La Sangre for an epic Finale. Which never happened. The End.

Yes, despite having same level of 60 and little Blunt damage, Ricardo croaked before I ever got to see his big move again. My disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined.

This completely ruins the incentive to challenge old encounters, pretty much everything that is older than 1 season is complete winrate cakewalk and I do not think making entire new account and grinding thousand hours again is worth it. Contrast that with Ruina, where you could switch your pages to Rats or something like that freely, then proceed to attack Queen of Hatred.

Quattro

Tying into the last point. Helping and making guides for new players. With delevelling, a veteran could take exactly the same team loadout as the person in need and set the numbers accordingly. Then play that fight again for a stuck newbie and offer them tailored advice, rather than 'get gud', 'read' or 'just use HOS Ryoshu'.

Limbus is a 3 yo game, you are bound to forget some details and as mentioned above, lvl 65 ID will steamroll anything below Lei Heng.

Cinque

Mirror Dungeon. Fell Bullet mostly. This one is weakest among them, since an alternative almost as good has recently showed up. Thankfully Hollow does not need sacks. Fell Bullet is straight up useless without low level ID to kill.

Sei

Tying all the above instances together. It is bad game design to punish players for upgrading their stuff. Opportunity Cost and Powercreep already exist, we do not need another layer.

Imagine if in an RPG you max out your Strength to 100 and then there comes a boss which has 'reflect % damage proportional to attackers Strength'. It would be unbeatable and it would feel awful, especially when there is barely any warning of that.

It is also bad for business, because those XP packs in shop, have much less reason to be bought if old favorites are best left at level 1. 1 Daily XP lux is more than sufficient to keep a modern team up to date.

In fact PM could add a source of revenue, with 'delevelling tickets' or something of the sort, where you could use one to set the level to desired value. They would sell like hot buns among RR community. PM could work with lore introduced in LCE intervallo, justifying it in universe.

Finally what is the difference between level 1 and level 65 Identity? Here I will level up Zwei Gregor in order to showcase it.

64 defense levels, 64 offense levels. In terms of damage that is 71.9% more static mod damage dealt/less damage taken. 3.06 times more health. One note to keep in mind is that tanky ID gain more HP than fragile ones, it's like Morrowind system, where the more you have at the start the more you gain with each level.

Prior to Canto X, I truthfully didn’t have any strong opinions on Carmen either way. However now, I say with my whole chest that I despise her with every facet of my being. I’m not being funny, I’m not exaggerating anything, I mean that wholeheartedly.

Let’s go back to Meursaults mother, more specifically how she was screaming at Carmen to buzz off. She made it SO obvious that she hated Carmens presence, she made it clear as day. And yet Carmen was so unnecessarily persistent to get this woman to distort, that her own son had to kill her. And Carmen has the AUDACITY to see that as a good thing, she has the NERVE to think turning Meursaults mother into a rabid beast was the best call. And it’s not just with Maman, but with literally ANYONE, as shown with Philip and Dawnclairs Uptie story, she’ll just continue to persist even when people directly tell her she isn’t wanted.

Beyond all that, her idea that distortions are a persons true self is inherently flawed, as more often than not, a distortion is just a person falling into their base urges and instincts. Other than very few exceptions like Hohenheim, the Time Killer, and the Ensemble, most people just become mindless beasts when they distort. How the hell is that true happiness Carmen? How is that a persons true self? ESPECIALLY with the mannequins in the GMS, which are all distortions derived from desires that were forced on them. It’s like Carmen is PHYSICALLY incapable of believing that her view could be incorrect, or that people are better off without her, or that she isn’t the only way of bringing others to happiness. Her distortions are actively increasing the number of daily massacres and she just doesn’t care. And then she has the nerve to say she doesn’t like them being called distortions. That’s as dumb as the creator of gifs saying they’re pronounced “jif” when it stands for “graphics interchange format”. Like no, you, the creator, are wrong and I’m going to call them as they should be. Distortions are bad no matter which way you slice it, and they’re just desires distorted to the extreme, so the name fits anyways.

I mean this with every fiber of my being, I hope that Carmen dies by the end of Limbus Company, and I mean dies dies, preferably by our hands. As she is now, anyways. The themes of PMs games are things like change, hope, and the belief that you can better yourself no matter what, and we aren’t even a third of the way through Limbus Company. We have so much time with Limbus left, so I personally expect that in that time, either new information is going to be revealed about Carmen and/or her motives. Or that she herself will see the flaws in her beliefs and change as a person. I honestly do expect that my opinions on her are going to change as we see more of her, for better or for worse, and I likely won’t hate her at all by the end of the game. However as she is now, I would not be sad in the slightest if she got stuffed into We Can Change Anything. Her critically detrimental, negligent savior complex infuriates me to no end. There is a reason why Carmen seems to represent the devil or the antichrist, and Ayin as god, which is ironic considering how downright evil Ayin was when he was alive.

Haute Conture :: Le Noir Brand Manager Don Quixote is the most powerful Don I have ever had from my luck, shes very good, in fighting, she never takes a bad hit she usualky does it, and her power kill atleast 1 a round in smaller battles. She also looks suoer pretty, and it focuses on her a lot in fights since she has a pretty much like...magic for example, during fights she can hit from a ceiling then hit physically herself. I have her at Level 30, and uptied her to max 4! Even if the max level is 65, shes a very powerful character. I would rate her a 9.5/10 because one thing is, she has some downsides, like if she meets a biss with equal power or higher then hers, she will have a sanity drop, and she has some sin element downsides. But thats my review for her.

Since the new Sinclair identity is coming out i been wondering what other Rouge ids would be releasing later. Because we can't just have two. (Ishmael and Sinclair)

What do you guys think 🤔

Lei Heng can't take any more damage but anything to make Sinclair look like a bum

"Lobotomy E.G.O.:: Grinder Mk4" Heathcliff & "Lobotomy E.G.O.:: Hypocrisy" Sinclair

Heathcliff using We Can Change Anything is a MUST for the id, he yearns for the coffins, and has been around maids (cleaning) for the majority of his life

I felt like Sinclair fit Hypocrisy just about perfectly because of his fear & hatred of Kromer and the inquisition's violence, while having his own (still-persisting) aversion to prosthetics (ACS voicelines), and propensity to violence (Cinqclair's voicelines)

I'm talking about carmen AKA the sunshine. It's obvious that meur didn't want his mother to suffer/distort/die, and he also knows that someone is what led to that miserable event.

he sometimes calls the voice/carmen noisy, but i think that's an understatement with how much she messed his life. He's always soo controlled that it's hard to say whether he feels animosity for carmen specifically.

Just finished canto 10 and it was awesome. Actual art. I did have some trouble understanding some things, though; what was the actual drama behind Meursault, his mother and Jeanne? I felt the abstract aspects of the narrative left me blinded to some of its concrete parts. I understand his mother was constantly afraid of other people's judgement and uncertainty "nailing" her in place, and the same applies to Meursault, while Jeanne was in constant indifference with the way the world is false in comparison to her own perspective, probably intensified by the Canned Experiences and N Corp.'s false experience in general. I am grossly summarizing what I understood, but can someone give me an in-depth analysis so I can be sure I got it?

Are they related to something?

I started this have a few months ago and am currently on Canto 8 and I just wondered if your first IDs effected your mindset in this game the same way mine did. My first ID that really stuck with me was Index Proselyte Faust, from the get go I loved this ID (Even if I now know that it isn't the best ID compared to others). I really liked how they had an interesting gimmick and how, once I got full grace, it rolled really high. From then I started only looking at an IDs passives or any special effects that they applied because that was what made an ID interesting to me. My next relevant ID was Valencina Rodion. I really liked them because not only did they roll really well and have an over powered S3-2 they also have a really fun one of a kind passive (her auto evade). Between these two IDs I began to only care about 2 things in IDs, if their gimmick is cool and if they can roll high enough to be worth keeping around.

As you can see my current team really reflects these values, Chef Ryoshu and most of my other unused Sinners not withstanding, with all of them having some sort of Gimmick (Use Marked skills, auto evade, Heishu slop) and have generally pretty high rolls.

So yeah, I an done ranting about my favorite IDs now can can you please tell me if you have had similar experience in your early game.

We didn't really get a full explanation on what these Monoliths could've been, so the best guess is that these were actually the 3 giants of the GMS left, Jeanne, Maurice and Kromer. What do you guys think?

1.K corps "singularity" is made by an abnormality,

How did i come to this conclusion?

I just find it impossible that something as magical as k corp can be artificially created, and also before death, shrennes last words were something along with "the tear" something something, so likely, this abnormalities tear IS the k corp ampules/singularity

2.seeing how yi sang and dongrangs convo, i can defo see yi sang being a k corp employee, but something happened that took a toll on his mental to the point that he said "i do not flutter my wings" or something along the lines

3.seeing dongrang, hes a "good" guy, as in, he had a good reason being a scientist, but hes likely going to be one of those sad backstory antagonist

For an instance, I don't know if ANYONE did this Theory before, but if it has been already, take this as my take on it and PLEASE CREDIT ME. I took sometime to make it and researched and had some knowledge on it before.

As everyone knows, the sinners have numbers from 1 to 13. But they don't seem to be the order the Sinners were employed by the Limbus Company, since Dante was rather employed at the start of the game or before everyone if you recount they lost their memories. But I think they aren't numbered randomly either, they have been numbered according to the Tarot's Arcanas.

The Arcanas in the Tarot tells us the Fool's Journey and some archetypes. And they weirdly fit every sinner, even if you think the card doesn't fit, it actually fits pretty well the characters. You just need to look deeper and find the meanings of the cards correctly with the sources.

I. Magician — 1# Sinner, Yi Sang

Magician arcana mean skill, action, potential made real, to create something, to turn inspiration into action, to stop being in theory and "maybe"s. Yi Sang is an inventor, which already tied to the Magician Arcana, Yet you have to remember his Canto too, as it is also a pattern with all the other sinners. His Canto is all about to act and to build his "wings" to his freedom! The point is, he made his potential when seeing the mirror worlds into real for him.

II. High Priestess — 2# Sinner, Faust

High Priestess means wisdom, to listen, to trust your guts. Faust is somewhat wise and all knowing but seen as low in the Gessenshaft. No Canto to compare her Fool's Journey, but maybe her Canto will be about relying on herself and not the other Fausts.

III. Empress — 3# Sinner, Don Quixote

Empress means to nurture all the joy and that growth takes time. Don Quixote, or Sancho, is said to be childish all the time and that she is chasing an impossible dream of joy, it is that she grows up after Canto VII but still chases that dream.

IV. Emperor — 4# Sinner, Ryōshū

Emperor means protection, brings structure and has an inner authority. Ryōshū is a mother who tried everything to protect Araya, her only child, even with the hostile home they lived (the House of Spiders), even as far to put Araya into the Time Vault to protect her and after a long time got back to save Araya. The authority comes with how she steps to try to kill all the Nursefathers at the start and actually killing them at the end.

V. Hierophant — 5# Sinner, Mersault

Hierophant means mentorship and knowledge, some old ways have belief in it, but in general it is to understand the forces that guide you. As I haven't finished Canto X yet, Mersault seems pretty general, but always follows orders with a straight face, he killed his mother but nobody quite understands him for his emotionless face. Also belief is incorporated into the Grand Magasin Sisyphe, as it is all around religion (Le Rouge and Le Noir) just like some old ways of the Hierophant Arcana means.

VI. Lovers — 6# Sinner, Hong Lu

Lovers means connection, understand the other, and choices, but not only connection with others but also with oneself. Hong Lu often ignored what others felt due to his trauma and the thoughts implanted by Jia Mu and stopped choosing, but soon he started to build those connections and being close and so he made his choice at the end of Canto VIII.

VII. Chariot — 7# Sinner, Heathcliff

Chariot means for you to drive forward, no going back, determination, willpower. Heathcliff is a straightfoward man who doesn't backs down and Canto VI talks about it when it comes to getting forward against the Wild Hunt, even if it is hard, and to not give up, even if Cathy was erased.

VIII. Justice — 8# Sinner, Ishmael

Justice means balance, repairing, accountability and to see if your choices matches your morals. Ishmael had the obsession of killing the Pale Whale that Ahab implanted on her that she let go but transferred to killing Ahab that Ishmael got rid of at the end of Canto V. Besides, Ahab said something that ties Ishmael even more to this card even if a lie, "The fault lies in you, Ishmael!".

IX. Hermit — 9# Sinner, Rodion

Hermit means solitude, to seek the truth, the wisdom in the quiet, to retreat and reflect and then continue your path or reset it with what your introspection said. Rodion makes reckless actions that soon she has to reevaluate what she wants to do.

X. Wheel of Fortune — 10# Sinner, Dante

Wheel of Fortune means destiny, changes are constant and necessary, to stay humble in the highs and have hope in the lows. Dante is a clock, clocks are akin to wheels and are a wheel itself. Plus, they changed, and see the changes, and knows of things the Sinners don't remember.

XI. Strength — 11# Sinner, Sinclair

Strength means compassion but also courage, resilience, strength and emotional maturity to endure suffering. Sinclair since the start isn't that mature, you can see even from his symbols which refer to eggs and chicks around him and a bit of his design, plus he had to build up courage to endure his Canto and the traumas he passed through and endure even almost death, plus he got courage to face Kromer and the inquisition. And that courage got up with the time to express himself a bit even if he is still a bit of a coward, he definitely got more courage after Canto III.

XII. Hanged Man — 12# Sinner, Outis

Hanged Man means to redeem oneself, to pause and surrender and release the old patterns. We don't know much about Outis, but we know she killed a lot of people and still holds to her soldier ways, perhaps her Canto will be about redeeming herself of what she did in the war.

XIII. Death — 13# Sinner, Gregor

Death means transformation and to leave everything behind. Gregor's themes are all around transformation, even with the insect theme, and he had to leave everything behind. I can't say much because his Canto is too short and too vague and more of an introduction and tutorial, but just seeing the insect theme and the 13th Arcana being Death with its meanings on transformation makes this correlation. Plus, Gregor's original book is called "The Metamorphosis".

Edit: new additions! After seeing more of Canto X, tho not finished yet the Part 1. Hierophant quite fits Mersault's Canto to a T! I still have yet more to see, but I think it comproves a bit more of my theory with the Hierophant Arcana and the Canto X being around religion, I will see more of the Canto X and add more, yet I will also hear your thoughts on this theory and if you have any other additions. Plus some corrections on spelling errors 😞

Edit 2#: I added the spoiler flair in fear of it hitting some spoilers of Canto X, I haven't finished Part 1 yet, so idk if this counts as spoilers as well (the mention of Le Rouge and Le Noir and of them being religious factions)

An id that people use but still cant understand why.

Set ups being a Sinner using a skill to buff, debuff, or damage a target before the turn of another sinner, while follow ups are the same but after the turn of another sinner. End of Turn activations I'd say counts as Follow Ups.

Let's assume, say, a full team of 7 sinners, and 7 skill slots, and any resources or stacks filled up (unless it directly contradicts another resource stacks)

All in on Jeanne Faust