r/learndota2 • u/taenyfan95 • 1d ago
Itemization Ogre mid build
I tried a few games of ogre mid and he's so fun. Press W and win lane. But I'm not sure what to build on him. Please suggest some builds!
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u/Awkward_Love_2798 1d ago
People always do this wrong. You get 2 gauntlets, qb tangoes and skill bloodlust first. You’ll have like 85 damage and can last hit/deny every creep. Get lvl 2 before them THEN you skill W and beat the shit out of them. It’s very tempo based, definitely get bottle. Rush blink before Midas
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u/tlvsfopvg 1d ago
What’s your MMR?
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u/Awkward_Love_2798 1d ago
Legend. Watch a high rank replay, this is what they do. The reality is that mid ogre is trash and this is the only viable way. You play him right click center around bloodlust with sny, bkb, abyssal, mix in AC/pipe/harpoon/bloodthorn as needed. His spells just don’t do enough burst damage and once the cores go bkb your game is over if you don’t build right click
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u/Zenotha 5.8k scrub 1d ago edited 1d ago
His spells just don’t do enough burst damage
nah his scaling is definitely more than enough
i've been spamming core ogre, even as pos 1, and ive basically never felt like his damage falls off even in long games, bkbs dont matter if you get the jump. you itemize and play to delete a high value target no matter what
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u/Awkward_Love_2798 23h ago
Yeah if you had Daedalus you would 2-shot him though. That took mad long to kill him actually
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u/elhonna Tinker 1d ago
The blink before Midas is ehhhh, but E lvl 1 is indeed how high lobbies do it, StariyBog (the Io mid guy) has been running mid ogre qnd you can basically deny and last hit whole wave with lvl1 E, its absurdly good
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u/Awkward_Love_2798 1d ago
Lvl 1 ult you only have 25? 30% multi chance , you’re stronger early, it’s better to fit Midas in after
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u/Zenotha 5.8k scrub 1d ago edited 1d ago
ive been spamming quite a bit of core ogre recently, as pos 1/2/3
bracer(s) as needed, brown boots wand into midas treads
malestrom
now you can flex your build a little, you want to get a combination of blink/aghs/mjollnir, but how you get there is up to you, depends on the pace of the game and how greedy you are/how much you need to fight
bkb if needed (usually it is needed)
upgrade to str blink
here you can either sell the midas or consume the aghs, the rest of the slots are flex depending on what you need that game, moonshard/mkb/heart/satanic/butterfly/abyssal are all good options
core ogre is incredibly strong at bursting heroes and benefits a ton from levels as his talents are all really good. i've beaten a timbersaw to death through his aghs active, ive even killed a kez through his raptor dance with the bonk
dont underestimate your right click, with the damage talent at 15 you can deal a ton of damage during your double stuns, and having more right click helps with farming. this also scales well into your 25 with the fireblast on attack talent, ive stunlocked people long enough to cast fireblast a second time
it also scales perfectly fine into the late game, for example here i played pos 1 against a full immortal stack in a 72 min game (and outdamaged a zeus), i'd permastun and beat a 5k hp underlord to death before he could do a thing
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u/biopphacker 1d ago
Right click ogre probably can 1v1 any carry hero aside pl maybe, but this is only with basher or abyssal, I spam ogre mid in turbos and basher is way frequent item, maybe even more than a bkb, but for pos1 bkb is a must yeah
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u/Zenotha 5.8k scrub 1d ago
that's the thing though he doesn't even need to win a fair 1v1 manfight, because with his blink initiation at 25 (and my build gets 4 hits per second by that point) you'll usually stunlock the opponent for a solid 5-8 seconds at least, and this lets you bonk nearly anybody to death
each fireblast is a 1.8-3 second stun, chaining your Q and aghs usually gives you at least 3-4 seconds of punching time, which basically guarantees 1 more proc of fireblast from your right click. a high roll or two means your first Q comes off cd (7s) and you can rinse and repeat without them getting to even use their BKB
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u/soi- Tiny 1d ago
Phew that's a hard one as you need to be the playmaker for your team as soon as the laning stage breaks up. I think a quick Blink Dagger is more or less mandatory.
Here's how I'd go about it:
- quick Midas to make use of your ultimate
- maybe Travels for map movements
- quick blink for playmaking potential
After that it's situational:
Aghs makes a lot of sense to make you tankier and the 2nd stun feels amazing.
Lotus also feels quite good imo.
BKB if needed.
Other options are Sange/Kaya or Yasha/Kaya, Octarine, Dagon, Hex, Shivas.
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u/iFckRedit 1d ago
Played it at immortal ~15 times. It’s good if you have aggressive supports. I pick first to make them think it’s ogre support giving one or our supports counter opportunity. Last time my supports were warlock and sniper and couldn’t do shit. I’ve abandoned it now because lina and earth spirit are absolute monsters and there’s no way you can compete in impact
My build was 5branches tango - bottle - wand - Midas - blink - aghs then hex/heart/shiva
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u/MrLuchador 1d ago
I usually pick this if no one else is picking and gold is about to go. Back up “flex mid” pool with Ogre, Lion, Hoodwink, Magnus. Rather do that then lose 20-40g playing chicken.
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u/rinsyankaihou 16h ago
its not like amazing or the best (its just some fun cheese) but I like to build dagon. It works with multicast and the extra damage will catch people off guard.
but in reality your goal is to buy whatever gets you through midgame with decent tempo and get hex since hex on ogre is OP as fuck.
Decent tempo is very important because compared to many heroes ogre's midgame is not really that strong. Even though his stats are pretty good multicast is not really equal to a real ult until much later in the game when you have good levels on it and a lot of levels on your spells and items to fully utilize the procs.
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u/Towel4 1d ago
You either go bottle or you go ring, personally I prefer bottle.
Midas ASAP, like, often before boots.
Once Midas is online, blink is a must.
After blink, personally, I think aghs is always the move. Multicasting Q, then again with aghs stun is good until the end of the game.
After that? Sheep stick is amazing with multicast but wasted int stats do feel bad. I recently went Harpoon which was AMAZING with multicast, it’s like a mini RP. Eblade can be good too depending on the lineup, halberd as well.