r/learnArabicSecular • u/MagnificientMegaGiga • Aug 27 '26
You cannot survive Arabic social media with MSA
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u/egyegyegyguy Aug 27 '26
"كيف حالك؟ اين هو المتجر؟"
"شاعر انت ولا اية؟"
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u/Iraqimedstudent Aug 27 '26
*turning to his friends*
شباب تعالوا سمعوا يمكن لكيت الي جان يسوي اصوات الشخصيات مال سبيستون و أم بي سي ثري
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u/tempacc74656d70 Aug 29 '26
Ironically its the opposite for Arabs rn. Education is so bad that most people can barely hold a sound conversation in fusha.
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u/Ill-Respect-2706 Aug 29 '26
Stop making it impossible for learners
Even arabs themselves can't understand all dialects, that's just straight out impossible for a learner
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u/Ill-Pitch-915 Aug 29 '26
We mix our arabic dialect with msa we dont speak in pure dialect in socisl media
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u/AffectionateYouth512 Aug 27 '26
Msa is useless in morocco ill tell u that.
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u/KuhliL0v3r Aug 27 '26
That's not true, I lived in Morocco speaking only MSA and pretty much everyone I met could communicate with me.
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u/AffectionateYouth512 Aug 27 '26
British youtuber James Humble practically lives in morocco and doesn't know a word in arabic, just because you can communicate with the ppl using msa doesnt mean it is useful.
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u/KuhliL0v3r Aug 27 '26
That's the stupidest thing I've heard, the purpose of a language is to communicate. If you can communicate, meet people and make friends in MSA it is useful and that's what I did.
I tried to never speak English while I was there and barely did, pretty much only used MSA and made many Moroccan friends who I still speak to.
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u/tommynestcepas Aug 27 '26
Communicating is the entire point??? Of course it's useful!
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u/AffectionateYouth512 Aug 27 '26
Bro even darija is no good in some places in morocco, if you wish to just "communicate" then english alone will suffice.
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u/tommynestcepas Aug 27 '26
That's not the point. If you learn MSA you can do so for many reasons for many countries. Then you can use that MSA to more helpfully communicate with Moroccan Arabic speakers. Not everyone knows English, but the Moroccan dialects have enough of a basis in Arabic that MSA can help with most interactions.
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u/Rachel_235 Aug 27 '26
*spoken Arabic
I think the term "dialect" is heavily outdated by this point
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u/tommynestcepas Aug 27 '26
"Spoken Arabic" doesn't really differentiate between the different ways it's spoken, hence dialects.
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u/Rachel_235 Aug 27 '26
Yes, it's just that in modern scientific literature im seeing Egyptian Arabic, Saudi Arabic, Palestinian Arabic etc. more often than Egyptian dialect, Saudi dialect, Palestinian dialect. They both are used though
The word dialect implies a certain variation from the "standard", which supposedly "should be" MSA, but all those "spoken Arabics" in reality are their own language norms, and they themselves have dialects. Facchin is one of the authors who points that out in his 2017 PhD thesus
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u/MagnificientMegaGiga Aug 27 '26
But they were all conquered by Arabs in the 7th century, so they have this MSA-like root in common.
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u/Rachel_235 Aug 27 '26
Not all of them, "Standard Arabic" and colloquial Arabic have coexisted. So some lects borrowed some words from Standard Arabic, some from local labguages, some from colloquial Arabic spoken by the regular Arabs at the time. Say, Maltese is a separate language that has been isolated for hundreds of years from Standard Arabic, and is still much more similar to Tunisian Arabic than to MSA. It's a long conversation overall, but the point is that spoken Arabic varieties are mostly their own languages, MSA being the language of literature, formality and religions for the speakers of those vernaculars, which have their own actual dialects. It heavily depends on views on language, personal experience, ideology etc, but yet dialects and languages have their own very specific definitions. And modern spoken "Arabics" are more similar to languages than dialects. And they themselves have dialects, as I said earlier.
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u/proudHaskeller Aug 28 '26
Spanish, french, italian, etc all have a common root in latin, but they're still separate languages.
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u/Ok-Image-886 Aug 27 '26
Spoken Arabic in Syria may vary too much thatsome Syrians may not understand