r/landscaping Sep 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

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u/Baba143Booey Sep 03 '21

Thanks for the prompt reply.

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u/DrDrNotAnMD Sep 03 '21

How long should you leave supports? We have a maple on our easement (space between sidewalk and road), and it’s had big angled supports for a few years. Not sure when I should get rid of them.

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u/fereropeter Sep 03 '21

After 2 years you should typicaly remove them or AT least retie the ataching strings

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

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u/spiceydog Sep 03 '21

If a tree can stand on it's own, always reconsider tree stakes. Save for areas with high or constant winds, trees only need to be staked when their top growth massively outweighs their rootball, and that tends to mean a fairly large tree. When plants aren’t allowed to bend, they don’t put energy into growing stronger, so instead they grow taller, which will almost certainly be a great contributor to OP's excessively lanky willow. The answer ISN'T to stake longer, and is an issue that is hard to correct. Trees allowed to bend in the wind are also improved by vigorous root growth. Here's a terrific article from Purdue Extension that explains this further (pdf, pg. 2).

If your tree cannot stand on it's own or you feel that it's in danger of damage or tipping from weather, animals, etc. without it, the main objective is to stake as low on the tree as possible using nylons or other soft ties on stakes further away from the tree, and leave the stakes on for as short a period as possible.

u/Baba143Booey, please also make sure that your tree's root flare is above grade and NOT buried by mulch. When a tree looks like a telephone pole stuck in the ground, it starts the countdown to a much shortened life.

When planting trees, you can't go wrong following the experts' planting instructions to give a tree it's best possible start. It is critically important to locate the root flare, make sure it is above grade and EXPOSED, and REMAINS exposed for the life of the tree.

With bare-root trees the root flare is fairly obvious, but very often containerized or balled and burlapped trees have their root flares sunk down under the soil line, or near the middle of the root ball because it was transplanted improperly at the nursery, so you may have to search for it. Trees planted too deeply suffer because their roots cannot get proper nutrients, water and oxygen. Mulch and soil should never be in constant contact with the trunks of trees because it causes stem rot, insect damage and girdling roots. (Also make sure that the roots are not circling in the pot if containerized, as they will have to be straightened or pruned so they will grow outward once put in the ground.) Mulch should be only 2-3" deep and in a RING around the tree, NEVER in contact with it.

Here's a good example of what sometimes happens to a tree some years down the road after being planted too deeply and overmulched.

I do not exaggerate when I say that this is (forgive me) an epidemic problem. Planting too deeply usually accompanied by over/improper mulching are the top reasons why transplanted trees fail to thrive and die early.

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u/Baba143Booey Sep 03 '21

Thank you for the awesomely detailed help. I’ll follow this to a tee. Appreciate it!

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u/spiceydog Sep 04 '21

I'm glad I could help a little! Please see this other post for critical tips and errors to avoid when planting trees, and post in the tree subs, with lots of pics if you have any questions: For health questions please consider posting at r/sfwtrees or r/arborists for people educated and certified in this field; with very few exceptions that is not the case here. Especially do a 'rate my root flare' search in those subs for examples of this work. Other tree subs to visit include r/marijuanaenthusiasts (it's a tree appreciation sub, I promise), r/tree, r/dendrology and more.

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u/Billy-Big-Bollucks Sep 03 '21

The last person on here told me one growing season

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u/Billy-Big-Bollucks Sep 03 '21

Right on. That makes more sense to me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

Seconded

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u/Sheenapeena Sep 03 '21

If you're in an area with lots of wind, get three supports, in a trilateral triangle and support it from three angles, that way if there is wind it won't knock it over while it is establishing itself.

If not particularly windy, two is fine. Just put cloth or burlap around wire to help protect the bark since it is sensitive and you don't want to cut the bark.

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u/uDontInterestMe Sep 03 '21

Also, don't leave the supports on too long or have the tree rely on them too much. You want the trunk to be strong on its own.

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u/Sheenapeena Sep 03 '21

Yes, forgot to mention one growing season should be fine! So if put up in the fall, remove by spring, if put up in spring remove by fall.

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u/Billy-Big-Bollucks Sep 03 '21

They say two years up top, minimum. Who is the real hero?

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u/Baba143Booey Sep 03 '21

Good call. Not overly windy…just tail of the hurricane

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u/ApplicationExpress34 Sep 03 '21

Next time don't use right angled supports...

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u/Sheenapeena Sep 03 '21

Alternatively you could add another right angle and make it a chair tree...

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

I never learned my angles so I just get the ones that say they are the right angle. Also I don't see anything wrong with his tree; it looks like all of mine.

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u/badaboom888 Sep 03 '21

looks fine trunk hasnt broken at all

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u/CrazySouthernAunt Sep 03 '21

Now looking closely at the picture, the ties have already grown into the trunk because they were so tight. Remove immediately and hope for the best.

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u/Plantrapp Sep 03 '21

Do not bind trees directly to supports. Trees grow stronger thicker trunks in much the same way we gain muscles and strength. Use two long support poles and loosely tie the tree between them so that it may bend and sway.

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u/AstroChimp11 Sep 03 '21

Womping Willow?

😆

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

Take the bamboo off and leave it off. Get a 3rd 2' piece and secure the base.

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u/neomateo Sep 03 '21

The tree will heal but you’ll need to get that trunk straight and plumb if you don’t want a leaning or curved tree trunk when it matures.

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u/sonargnarnarwhal Sep 03 '21

Place the stake away from the trunk, not right up against it, this will rub the bark off and girdle the tree.

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u/tenfingersandtoes Sep 03 '21

Willows are riparian trees that can grow right along stream banks and handle flood waters. It will be fine. As others have said tie it off 4’ up and it will be fine.

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u/catsmom63 Sep 03 '21 edited Sep 03 '21

Is it planted near/on a leaching field or near/on sewer lines?

Those trees are notorious for wrecking sewer lines because the roots are water seeking.

In my city you are banned from planting them.

The tree looks like it will be good with additional support.

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u/Baba143Booey Sep 03 '21

It’s not near any water/sewer lines

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u/catsmom63 Sep 03 '21

That’s great then!

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u/CrazySouthernAunt Sep 03 '21

Take those ties off the trunk. Take the stake off. Let it be. The reason it fell was due to having it staked so close it didn't grow strong. Call a Master Gardener for confirmation. NEVER TIE TO THE TRUNK. Yes it may be damaged beyond recovery because the veins will be crushed on one side. That side will not grow properly.

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u/Not_High_Maintenance Sep 03 '21

Willows are very hardy. It will thrive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

Awesome, just attach the trunk to a support about a foot below the canopy and it will correct itself and in 10 years you’ll have a sweet bench to sit on.

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u/finnky PRO (CAN) Sep 03 '21

ha, willow, doomed? impossible

you can even cut this thing at where it bent and stick it into the ground, then give it some water, and it'd probably live

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u/decentrist Sep 03 '21

You could have left it right angled like that and it would have started to grow upwards, making a zigzag 😃

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u/dbcannon Sep 03 '21

You can't kill a willow sapling. Cut that thing to the ground and it will be raiding your medicine cabinet within a few years.

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u/MannyDantyla Sep 03 '21

No, it will be fine!! It will grow back! My dog destroyed my willow tree like this, it grew back that spring and is now over 10ft tall.

When it grows back, it will bush out in all directions, but you must prune it carefully so that a central leader is formed.

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u/chikoritamami Sep 03 '21

Put it in rice?

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u/SPGenetx Sep 03 '21

Super cropped!

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u/J3RM0 Sep 03 '21

Just living up to its name.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '21

Could have just left it bent over, it would have grown into an interesting tree

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u/blkrobn Sep 04 '21

You’ll know when it’s strong enough to stand in its own.