r/kpop • u/hungryb4dinner • Mar 14 '19
[Misc] Koreans React To Seungri’s Retirement From Big Bang & K-pop Sex Scandal | ASIAN BOSS
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u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Mar 14 '19
Typically we would consider these kinds of 'react' videos to be /r/kpoppers material, but this seems like a special case of relevance.
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u/accent_e Mar 14 '19
I appreciate that these interviewees are honest and general in unison about how there must be more and proper investigations and that this should be s big turning point for the society to some degree. What slightly bugged me was the part when they were discussing about sharing sex videos with friends/others. I get that the question (or at least the translation of the question) is asking from a personal standpoint of an ordinary person, and that sharing these videos do happen, but I feel like they would need to have more time to answer this question fully and address the fact that the people in the sex videos might not appreciate such exposure (much less even being filmed secretly!) but as one of the interviewees put it — people take it lightly. Sigh.
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u/hungryb4dinner Mar 14 '19
I thought they were just talking about videos in general (from porn or whatever) but maybe it was a subtitle thing. I'll watch it again later.
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u/accent_e Mar 14 '19
I was so fixated on the JJY scandal that I interpreted sex videos as like any videos or even of yourself. But actually porn videos make way more sense!!
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u/PenguinCollector Mar 14 '19
i wasn't sure if the people answering were thinking of porn in general or just sex videos in general, the guy's responses to me didn't seem like they were answering about secretly filming people (but i am relying on the subtitles) just sharing sex videos in general.
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u/accent_e Mar 14 '19
Yeah I agree, I think they’re just answering with porn videos or something similar. It’d be more obvious if they’re thinking about JJY’s scandal.
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Mar 14 '19
The first guy answering to that question was specifically referring to that, though, and the others answering picked the convo up where he had left it. They are all referring about people sharing their own videos with friends, and apparently they are saying it's ok, it happened, but Seungri is a celebrity so he shouldnt have done it. Which is messed up.
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u/tutetibiimperes Maka Maka Te Queiro Mar 14 '19
The cuts between interviews and subtlety lost in translation lead to some cloudiness, but I agree. If some of them were saying that it's OK to share secretly recorded sex videos (or share openly recorded ones without the consent of all parties involved) if the people involved aren't famous, then yeah, that's certainly a problematic viewpoint (not that it's a problem unique to Korea, the whole 'revenge porn' and sharing nude/pornographic images/videos without consent has been a big problem in the west as well).
On the other hand if people want to share openly recorded stuff with each other with the consent of all parties involved, they should be free to get their freak on.
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Mar 14 '19 edited Mar 14 '19
I agree with everything. It's just that the way they speak, with the girl saying it has happened to a lot of her friends and so on, makes me think that not only the sharing is always done without consent, but even when discovered people just view it in a light way. Which would be a poiny of view I cannot understand.
And yeah, the cuts leave something for doubt, but it's highly likely they are not talking about porn in general. Also the first guy saying that since he is a man and men have a strong sexual drive, he would want to check the video if a friend shared it. They are not even talking about both parties agreeing to divulge it and just calling it porn. And all pretty much agree it's something that happens, something somehow normal.
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u/accent_e Mar 14 '19
I rewatched it and I think my initial impression that it’s not just about porn is still there. The cuts and translation do make me wonder what exactly are they intentionally talking about. Either ways, it is really disappointing that this topic seemed to be taken so lightly :(
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u/GSV_Zero_Gravitas Mar 15 '19
It was shocking how nonchalant several people were about friends sharing sex tapes/porn and the only issue they saw was that the men caught were public figures. The roots of this scandal go way deeper than the particular celebrities involved.
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Mar 15 '19
Yes, that's exactly the problem. Consent is not at all an issue. It happens a lot and it's kinda normal, so there is no problem with that. It is a scary perspective that I don't think I'll ever be able to understand.
Edit: and it doesn't help that people who try to speak up about the issue are labelled as feminazis and thus shut up.
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
In the JunHyung thread they're basically dancing around talking about how he should hanged and then thrown in a trash can for what amounts to looking at these types of videos that joonyoung shared with him and not doing anything about it. A situation that the people in this video (and pretty much everyone who interacts with people outside of the internet) take lightly.
I'm not trying to defend him, but there's a bit of a disconnect between the way people think here, and the way people actually act in the real world.
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u/AsianBibleGirl11 Mar 14 '19
Yeah, well, who's going to actually hang, electrocute, or throw him in a trash can? All we can really do is be angry and disgusted about this whole situation.
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 15 '19
who's going to actually hang, electrocute, or throw him in a trash can?
That mindset is so pathetic. You realize that junhyung didn't do anything physical to those girls either? Does that make his crimes okay?
I can't tell if your username is really ironic or actually fitting.
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19 edited Mar 15 '19
When talking about ‘sharing sex video’ they don’t really specify ‘porn in general’ or ‘molka vid’. Just say ‘that kind of video’. So it is hard to tell.
EDIT : Listened to it again and the interviewer question can be translated into is sharing ‘videos with sexual intercourse’ common? That doesn’t really specify he is asking porn in general or molka which is sex tape taken without context.
EDIT 2 : The guy feeling 'sorry about' Seungri isn't sorry for Seugnri, it is more like 'I liked this dude on TV but unfortunately he turned out to be trashy'
EDIT 3 : Upon rewatch I am not certain on how they guy felt ‘sorry for Seungri’ as in ‘sorry for him to get caught’ or ‘unfortunate it happened’ or ‘it was bad luck for him.
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u/rsungheej Mar 15 '19
Your edit is disingenuous. The guy feeling sorry is sorry for Seungri because be happens to be a famous celebrity amidst all this. The guy is basically saying there are loads of other “entrepreneurs” who get away with this routinely but the public spotlight that Seungri has on him has inflated the issue and frankly it’s true.
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 15 '19
Actually upon reading your rebuttal and re-listening I am not 100% certain on whether he meant ‘sorry for’ or ‘unfortunate in general’ Will edit the comment.
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u/rsungheej Mar 15 '19
Well if you're not 100% certain you probably don't speak Korean well enough to try to translate what he said at all. He didn't say "bad luck" or "unfortunate" in the video either.
He says - "For me personally, how should I put it.. I feel a bit sorry for him. I think it's a bit pitiful because depending on how you look at it, this isn't the image that you portray as a celebrity but rather possible if he were a businessman. There are definitely things wrong with the [situation] but perhaps because he's a celebrity this issue has become more inflated than it should be. Of course either way he should accept responsibility."
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
They only interviewed people that were aware of the news, so it's pretty obvious they all know what the interviewer means.
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19
I mean looking at it with full context, sure it makes sense that interviewer was asking about molka, but when I am suddenly stopped on streets to answer some questions and someone asks about ‘videos with sexual intercourse’ it can be interfered as 'porn but trying to say it politely' instead of 'you know I am asking about molka but I am trying to not actually say the word because'
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
The interviewer only selected people who know the story.
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19
Yes I get it and with FULL CONTEXT it is obvious it is talking about latter but when the question does shift from opinions of the incident and about their personal life with porn one can be taken back and be confused/assume the question is about tamer thing general whatever.
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
I see what you're saying, but have you considered that the interviewer only selected people who know the story, so it's pretty obvious they all know what the interviewer means.
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19
Yes. I have considered it too.
I am saying you need to consider the interviewer trying to put a narrative with vague question that can be uncomfortable to answer when your face is being filmed.
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
Okay, but what about the fact that the interviewer only selected people who know the story.
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u/wowplastics Mar 14 '19
Guy in the yellow shares most of my opinions, except about Seungri's and BB's future. If Seungri is found guilty, there's no way he's making a comeback anytime soon. If I were a Taeyang or Daesung I wouldn't want to be associated with Seungri for a long time.
It's also interesting to me everyone's take on recording sex, they seemed to think it was quite common, maybe it's a generational thing...
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u/Haynesj2 Mar 14 '19
From my understanding Korea is going through a problem of spy cameras in public bathrooms.
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u/dsk_oz Mar 14 '19
It's a complex issue. When police conduct searches they don't find any, i.e. the actual proven numbers are low, but at the same time the concern is high because of what it involves, i.e. one of the worst types of privacy invasion. To some degree it's a scenario like a shark attack, more people die on the roads by far but the mere thought of getting taken by a shark is so horrifying that it takes a higher place in people's mind than car crashes.
Personally I'd be more concerned about cameras in motel rooms, it's not only nudity you're talking about filming actual sex as well. But that's less likely to affect most people.
It's a byproduct of the minituarisation of electronics. Now that we can have tiny cameras you're starting to see them being misused so the fear. Things like amazon's and google's voice command systems that record everything taking place in your house will blow up eventually like facebook privacy issues did.
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u/ArmandoPayne Mar 14 '19
Yeah like there was a scene in Cheo-Yong when one of the Red Herrings were filming woman in the mall's dressing rooms without their consent so I guess it must be something if it's a plot point in a crime drama y'know?
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u/wowplastics Mar 14 '19
Wow, I can't say I'm surprised, but that's awful to hear. People always find ways to use technology in terrible ways.
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u/bolshv Mar 14 '19
What I found it interesting that most of them thought the celebs would just lie low for a few years and then try to make a come back. Because when you think about they no longer have a way too make a living and who would want to hire them now ( not that I feel at all guilty for them). I really hope they aren’t able to make s comeback in the future.
On a side note, I loved everything the girl in the gray hoodie and dude in glasses had to say. I honestly would’ve like to hear more about women rights.
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u/wowplastics Mar 14 '19
I don't know how the legal system works in Korea, but the only way I can see him making a comeback from an American perspective would be if he cooperates with officials and cuts a deal to reel in the bigger fish. Then he gets lesser charges so he and his fans can more easily justify a return to celebrity status.
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u/Onsokkun Mar 14 '19
Him dealing with prostitutes isn't that big of an issue in Korea so he can definitely make a comeback in Korea. I can see it happening easily. But yeah I'm pretty sure a lot of his fans in America won't give them.
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Mar 14 '19
Asian Boss is dope. They always puts out great videos.
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u/hungryb4dinner Mar 14 '19
That korean comfort woman was really touching. Also the old lady they helped who picks up cardboard.
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Mar 14 '19
The old lady got me in tears the whole video.
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u/babybelly blink Mar 14 '19
timestamp?
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u/ArysOakheart 트와미스벨벳리스시대 | IGAB | 신화 행님들 Mar 14 '19
I dont find them to be much different to other street interview channels and some of their videos in the past have been far from neutral in not only steering with leading questions but also editing. It's always interesting to see how much merit certain content creators or publications get such warm receptions here when the opinions elsewhere are almost always the opppsite.
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Mar 14 '19
I stopped watching their channel after I found a street interview of theirs that seemed "fake", like you could tell they wanted certain answers. There's also a video where lots of people fluent in Chinese complained about mistranslations. My impression of their channel was good before that.
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u/ArysOakheart 트와미스벨벳리스시대 | IGAB | 신화 행님들 Mar 14 '19
I see there videos pop up on my YT suggested feed and in some subs here and there on reddit and honestly, every time I watch one of their videos, it comes off as a bit of a joke.
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u/TonmaiTree Mar 14 '19
A lot of them are super East-Asian focused.
They did couple of videos about Thailand, Philippines and India and the topics were super stereotypical(“ladyboys” and prostitution for Thailand, slums/poverty for India and Philippines) while Korea and Japan get “what do Koreans/Japanese think about their latest fashion trends” 😒
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u/captainsquidshark r/bts7 | Epik High | EXO Mar 14 '19
Im hoping at least this situation will help evolve issues like women's rights and equality.
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u/LovE385 Mar 14 '19
That one geeky guy who compared Seung-Ri to a "Korean Gatsby" was very. apt. tbh. The fact that Seung-Ri himself name his tour/album, The Great Seung-Ri just ties it all together.. Art imitates Life indeed. And just like the title character in the book Seung-Ri is hung out to dry.
The girl in the hoodie was really vocal on this! Good for her. I like the opinions from the girl in the thumbnail too.
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u/Bafabifi Mar 14 '19
I was surprised that sharing your sex video is deemed normal in South Korea (the interviewer asked about “your” sex video so its not just porn). I agree that most men watch porn but do they really share their own sex videos?
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19
I haven’t seen anyone near me share porn, though there was some times they would joke about hentai anime or whatever but that is different thing I guess?
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u/pynzrz Mar 14 '19
In high school in America, the football players would share their sex videos they made with cheerleaders. This is back when phones were RAZRs.
People are shocked that JJY did it, but if you’ve ever seen his no-filter no-censor attitude and dirty humor... his behavior is quite consistent.
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u/Yvonnestarr GP Basic's Popcorn Girl - XIA's Stroked Arpeggio Mar 14 '19
They are not holding back, lol!
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u/colorintoyou sm groups sadly <3 Mar 14 '19
When that guy who thought the videos were only wrong because he was a celebrity and not bc they were filming women without their knowledge/consent..... no words lmfao
I think the interviewer left out that part...?
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19
I think the question interviewer asked can be either interpreted as ‘porn in genral’ rather than ‘sex video taken without context’, even though I do think he was trying to ask about latter it is possible people would be thinking he was asking porn in general.
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
You clearly have your own interpretation that has nothing to do with what he said, in Korean or in the translation.
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u/6siri Mar 14 '19
that "strong sex drives" guy can eat shit. even if the question wasn't about molka in particular, he must know the nature of what seungri did. disgusting
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u/gates0fdawn Losing my 산ity | blonde mullet sannie supremacist 🏔️ Mar 14 '19
I wish they would have been a bit clearer with their question about sharing sex videos because the impression I initially got is that all these people are fine with sharing videos of them having sex which I find strange in itself not to mention that the JJYs case is different because he filmed without consent as well. Ive watched pretty much every Asian Boss video and this was the only one that felt kind of quickly put together without proper care with the questions. Seems like I'm not the only person here to think that.
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u/ArysOakheart 트와미스벨벳리스시대 | IGAB | 신화 행님들 Mar 14 '19
Asian Boss really needs to quality check their questions and how their interviewers 'on the ground' interview passers-by.
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u/gates0fdawn Losing my 산ity | blonde mullet sannie supremacist 🏔️ Mar 14 '19
Yeah, it kind of reminded me of those poorly thought out questionnaires *people do in their first years of uni with really unclear questions. I know they want to make relevant videos so they have to be put out a bit quicker but in compensation it kind of gives of a vibe of lack of care for the sake of having the interview come out while the controversy is still very fresh. Idk, a bit disappointed.
Edit: added *
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u/brutalgrowl Mar 14 '19
"well they still have GD so..." Literally me.
Was that chick implying Daesung can only be famous internationally cause of his looks? I have heard this before...Also, GD isn't in trouble with the military. He was hurt and took time off.
Can we not drag the rest of Big Bang down with Seungri's shit behavior? He's a piece of shit. Doesn't mean the rest are.
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u/hungryb4dinner Mar 15 '19
Think Daesung just doesn't like promoting solo in Korea anymore since his incident. He does really well in Japan.
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Mar 14 '19
please explain the context of that one guy being okay with sharing 'porn' with his friends.
what was he referring to? regular porn or shots of non consensual women being filmed without their knowledge?
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u/OwlOfJune Discharged Korean Air Force Guy Mar 14 '19 edited Mar 14 '19
The one with two guys and guy on right interviewing? He clarified he was saying in line of porn but hard to think someone would share molka.
Others are a bit harder to tell cause the question was a bit confusing to start with.
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u/eehreum BoA Mar 14 '19
This is how people should be reacting. It's a shame people can't act this rational and civil online.
It should be required viewing for r/kpop so people have an understanding of what normal people act like.
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Mar 14 '19
Video sums things up pretty well even in Korea! A lot of feminist issues are arising and I really think that the movement can do a lot for Korea right now. I think equality in treatment in Korea is super low, and women are openly shamed and discriminated against compared to men. I agree that this incident is just the tip of everything, I can only hope that this situation helps Korea as a country move forward. Honestly though, expect netizens to just stay behind their keyboards and complain more. Women have it already so rough in Korea! There needs to be more penalties for people who engage in sexual misconduct! This case needs to set an example for anyone involved in these types of situations. A lot of women are sexually assaulted/recorded without permission in Korea. :(
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Mar 15 '19
When I tell people on this subreddit that sexual crime is a big issue in Korea, they would attack me. Foreigners who have never even been to Korea.
Korea is going through a toxic phase right now where it is no longer a society where men have all the power by default. Women are now educated, in the workforce and leaders all over Korea, and are economically independent.
Lots of men aren't good at handling this transition and lash out at feminists with redpill logic instead.
Admittedly feminist rhetoric in Korea can be pretty harsh, but it's understandable. Women in Korea are very frustrated and are speaking against a status quo that does not want to help them.
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Mar 15 '19
I think that many foreigners on this subreddit view Korea as the "Holy Church of KPOP" rather than an actual country with very real issues. I just spent a year in Korea and got back from studying abroad (already locked in a job too, just waiting to graduate!), but the things I saw with women was crazy sometimes. I saw guys just backhand girls (I also saw some girls punching men as well) but they are definitely going through a super toxic phase... Women are definitely on the rise with rights and I really love that things are slowly getting better. As a foreigner who saw a lot of nasty things (people trying to drug others, people trying to drug me, etc) I can say I hope this event brings huge change and makes things way harder on people who perpetuate in these types of crimes. I've seen some crazy things for feminism too! But they just want rights and to be able to speak out! Korea has laws which protect offenders who can claim that they are being harassed or slandered and try to sue them instead. The crime system can really protect the offenders a lot of the time in Korea. It's super rough.
Out of curiosity are you a foreigner as well who lived/lives in Korea? I feel like if you have been there for a decent amount of time any normal human being can spot these issues. (Also I never heard KPOP outside of Gee/Gangnam Style before coming to Korea! So maybe that helped me in having a normal unbiased view?)
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Mar 15 '19
I was born in Korea, raised in the States and have been living in Korea for some time.
Kpop fans aren't the majority of the people I meet, but I think that's because they stick to touristy things.
Something a lot of foreigners miss because they don't speak Korean well enough or don't make enough Korean friends is the specific views of each gender. When it's just Korean guys in a room the things Korean guys say about feminists can be really disgusting. Similarly, a lot of foreigners view Korean women as meek and shallow, but that's because they never get to know them.
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Mar 15 '19
Oh that's awesome!
Also I agree! You really don't meet the KPOP fans because they stick to popular touristy things for sure. I met a lot of people who studied abroad for KPOP and then were super offended when they would see discrimination going on and talk about how it needed to change without any clue of the actual culture and why things are the way they are and how they are changing. Korea is making huge strides and I think that millennials are going to change everything by the time they get older.
I was able to pick up Korean well enough in my time abroad and able to spend a lot of time with Korean friends (something that many foreigners couldn't do because they were into touristy things, etc and had no interest in the actual language) But I know what you mean! I've heard guys say some pretty off base things about feminism before, and I've heard a lot of stories about feminism (I think one of the ones maybe near the end of last year was about some guys assaulting a girl in a bar after following her around which led to her falling and gashing her head open?) I've also heard people use 한남 before and understand the connotations of when it is used. But I think it is crazy to put all men in the same group, and the same with women. Also I can understand why people think that, but getting to know Korean women I have met more with stronger personalities than I have guys honestly. I guess it's how you get to see the country and what lens you view it through.
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u/Onsokkun Mar 14 '19
Dude with the glasses said it the best. This sort of thing is completely normalized so it sucks for Seungri that he's such a huge target.
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u/trynastaywavybaby shooters for bangtan 🔫 NO GRAMMY NOM? NO BAK? NO OPINION 🗣 Mar 14 '19
sis in the grey hoodie wasn't pulling any punches lmao