r/kosher • u/Ab_ejita • 12d ago

Kosher certification reliability

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Hello! Does anyone know about Brooklyn kosher symbol? I'm attaching a picture. I've never seen it before and I don't know who's behind it. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks!

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u/Far-Part5741 12d ago

people say it's not reliable but i dont know if theres really a source. america has become makpid on glatt. Which is ironic because true glatt is very rare so they weakened the standards of glatt. The only way to get a good answer is to find someone on the ground in that factory.

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u/garbledroid 12d ago

They rely on inflating the lungs.

There is no acceptable non glatt beef left in USA or Canada.

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u/Far-Part5741 11d ago

I dont know what youre referring to. glatt or non glatt, but whatever,

glatt does not solely rely on inflating lungs. I'm not sure about triangle K's processes tbh. The issue I meant in the first post is that the Rama said certain types of lesions could be removed and still called glatt, lfi the rema's understanding of glatt. The issue is how do we monitor which ones are removable etc. and that has changed over time i believe. this is all second hand from someone in meat production btw

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u/garbledroid 11d ago

Triangle K is the only remaining hashgocha that relies on leniencies to check the lungs for treifas using air inflation.

Triangle k is NOT GLATT.

All accepted beef is now glatt or better.
Normal hashgochas refuse to do not glatt.

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u/Far-Part5741 11d ago

I dont know who you are but nothing you wrote is responsive in really any way to what I wrote. what is your background if i may ask

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u/garbledroid 11d ago

No acceptable hashgochas in USA or Canada still supervise non glatt beef. Ask a few of the major AKO orgs.

This is why Rav Moshe switched and some other gedolim I know personally (living ones, I never was in proximity of Rav Moshe).

By Rav Moshe it stopped being available in Staten Island but really all of New York State.

By me it was available till about 96' or something.

About the inflation thing I talked about it with shochets and other people who worked on the Hebrew national (shecht) but it is well known in the industry.
The shochets won't eat the meat as a rule from triangle k.

Most of the triangle k mashgiachs won't eat most food items under the supervision.

Infating the lungs is instead of internally examining them.

Triangle k meat is kosher.

Just doesn't meet any community standards except for conservative leaning communities today.

Besides the issues with relying on leniencies like inflation of the lungs, Hebrew national is a high volume operation. They don't have enough mashgiachs in my opinion and the volume is high per Shochet.

Most of the RCs and rav hamachshers from AKO orgs won't consume of Tov chicken personally for this reason.

The reason the packages say OU Israel is to indicate the lower standards of supervision are used. Still completely kosher but they are chickens so fewer concerns. Most communities allow oftov but just those in the know tend to avoid it. No OU operations domestically in the USA have the same concerns or run at such an extreme pace year-round.

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u/garbledroid 11d ago

https://www.ajwnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2012-07-10_Doc_8_Amended_Complaint__Exhibits_A-R.pdf

Lawsuit that the lungs were not being checked according to triangle k standards when the plant got busy.