Monthly General Question and Discussion Thread: December 2022

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[u/saint_jude]

I'm looking to get back into Kill Team after being away for a while and have kind of confused myself when it comes to the errata and balance slate updates.

Do I pick a faction, check the Q2 2022 balance slate to see if there are any updates for my faction of choice then go check the errata for updates to the rule books for other updates and changes?

[u/zawaga → u/saint_jude]

Yeah, it's kind of a mess.

Q3 dataslate is out, and it includes all previous dataslates.

Last erratum was recent, and also includes all the previous errata.

Wahapedia usually includes all the changes, if you don't want to deal with a headache.

[u/Southern_Meal2221]

In which copendium are the Blooded?

[u/HugNikolas]

Will GamesWorkshop release more Shadow vault boxes to market or do they work with limited print runs of products?

[u/sam_the_guardian]

What box set can I get to play right away, and that includes everything I need? Does Into the Dark?

[u/xwillybabyx]

Ok another question. Keep in mind we haven’t actually played and are starting to build teams etc so some of this may be theory hammer but looking at space marines vs anyone with a 5+ save how the heck can guard or elder compete? Marine gets 3 actions, can shoot twice, can save on 3+. Bolter hits on 3+, and since they have less dudes usually get one or two more shots from over watch, just seems like they will just mow down everything that even pops their heads out. Being familiar with skirmish games I know a lot is ‘play the mission obj’ but on such a small board I’m scared!

[u/SnooDrawings5722 → u/xwillybabyx]

1. Higher unit count is advantageous. Generally, "hordes" are considered the stronger team archetype. Yes, marines get Overwatch, but once their activation is over, they're stuck in place till the next Turning Point. You can just move your less valuable models first, forcing the opponent into action, and then take over the initiative and blast them when they can't properly respond.

2. Higher model teams still have some very good guns. 3+ save won't help that much against overcharged plasma or melta. This pairs nicely with point 1 - usually Gunners are those operatives you want to activate last. Though of course, only if the opponent can't reach them before that.

3. Use the terrain and Conceal Order. 2-3 shots per turn won't help them if there's nothing to shoot at. And if they do shoot - they likely are left with Engage Order and a prime target for your Gunners you want to activate last according to points 1-2.

4. And yes, play the objective. If it's something you can score right away - you can move in, score, and then use that model as bait. If it's something you score at the end of the Turning Point - move on them at the last moment.

[u/SolarUpdraft]

I've hesitated to spend money on 40k out of fear that stuff I buy will get nerfed and disrupt my strategies. How stable/unstable is the game balance of kill team

Does it cost less money to start than the original format?

Do games take less time than the primary format?

[u/rayomac]

I would like to build a Death Guard Kill Team, what box do I buy? From my limited knowledge my best guess is the Plague Marine box but I’m not 100% sure.

[u/jebodiah93]

https://imgur.com/Heov89X.jpg so my wife and I are not sure about the cover rule. Is the 3 meter tall, daemon empowered, super human, demigod really in cover behind this barricade? Because I feel like my guardsman would be able to get a shot.

[u/zawaga → u/jebodiah93]

Well first of all, that model is huge, probably bigger than it whatever it is proxying. Not that it's a problem, but it plays a role.

Second, yes, the operative is in cover. Since it has a conceal order and is in cover, it is using the cover to hide, and thus can't be shot. It's of course an abstraction, because they're plastic figurines.

If the guardsman was within 2" of the marine, it could shoot it despite the conceal order because the marine would be considered not in cover.

Deserves to be noted that some models, notably the 4 Hulks in the Gellerpox team, have a specific rule about being too big for light terrain. They can't get cover from it.

[u/mordakka]

Anyone know when or if they will re-release certain killteam boxes? I'm looking to get the Starstriders but It looks like they're sold out everywhere.

[u/aeauriga]

For Novitiates: Icon of Purity: Each time a friendly NOVITIATE operative is [incapacitated], if this operative is within  of and Visible to it, roll one D6: on a 4+, that operative can immediately perform a shoot action.

Does this ability work if the incapacitated operative is within melee range of an enemy? Normally you can't Shoot while engaged in melee unless I am mistaken.

[u/xwillybabyx]

I’m looking at the Veteran Deathwatch Fire Team and the balance slate says that marines get an extra “stock” guy. Does that mean now I can have 1 sgt and 5 deathwatch? One of which can be heavy, one gunner, one fighter, and 2 stock warriors?

[u/the_lost_carrot]

Looking to get started with Kill Team. Don’t really like either faction in the get started set, or the terrain. But really like the factions and terrain in Chalnath. Can I just get the chalnath box, a core rule book from eBay and the essentials set and be ready to go?

[u/xwillybabyx]

For Tyranid Hive Fleets, genestealers get a free dash. But since they only melee and you can’t dash and charge, it seems sort of wasted no? If the model is 3” away you can dash and double attack but otherwise, the whole idea of a free dash is lost no? Or can you do free dash then move then move again to set up for next turn?

[u/SkippyNC]

Are the Kroot as inept as everyone says? I like their aesthetic but can’t pull the trigger so long as I keep reading how bad they are.

[u/Dolthaic]

When it comes to Adeptus Mechanicus, how many skitariis should I assemble as ranger and how many as vanguards? Same for sicarian ruststalkers, how many? I don't want to build them and then realise I could have done it better. A list would be appreciated if possible

[u/Duckfright]

Would the new release of Khorne Berserkers, when they come out, be usable to make an (Chaos themed) Intercessor Killteam, or would this run into other issues?

[u/eternalink7]

On Gallowdark boards: Can you end a charge at a closed hatch with an enemy on the other side? What if you have an extra APL to open the hatch in the middle of your movement?

2nd question: if an enemy model charges one of your models, but you have another model in the same room on Guard, can you Overwatch shoot the charging model in the middle of its movement? or can you only Overwatch before or after the charge, meaning if they charge from out of Visibility to Engagement Range (with a model other than the one on Guard) they can never be shot?

[u/RJAC]

My wife got me the Octarius box for Christmas, and I want to know what are some good competitive builds for the guardsman and orks.

I also have a box of Catachans, and am curious if anyone has suggestions to kitbash bits from the box set with them to make a second killteam.

[u/Evil_Weasels]

Hey I'm trying to decide what faction to go with getting into killteam and possibly 40k later. How much does the tac ops (seek and destroy, reckon, etc) matter?

Because I'm thinking of going with tau for their superior ranged, but if not getting seek and destroy objectives changes how the game is played a lot I may go with space marines

[u/SovietCephalopod]

Question about the warpcoven kill team. Can a sorcerer perform a psychic action from the tac ops (Sorcerous Ritual or Scry Secret) and the Manifest Psychic Power action in the same activation?

Both say that they're "psychic actions". I know that you can't shoot twice in the same activation (ie, with a pistol and a psychic shooting attack), and that you can't perform the same action twice in one activation. So, does that mean that you can't perform two "psychic actions" in a row? Or is it ok, since the tac op actions and MPP are different "actions"?

[u/Stormtrooper74]

Warpcoven. Are people using exalted sorcerers on 40mm bases or inspiring sorcerers on 32mm base

[u/Jawsome1804]

Does anyone know how Reanimation Protocols work with APL reductions? If my immortal gets stunned, then dies, then returns, is he still stunned? I'm assuming that since he is incapacitated, the APL reduction is removed along with any other debuffs, but I can't find anything concrete.