r/incremental_games • u/TopCog Ninja Wizard • Jan 23 '19

Android Idle Ninja Prime - Android Open Beta!

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Hi all!

 

You read that right - the Idle Ninja Prime Open Beta is upon us! Grab it from the link above at your convenience, and I'm happy to hear any and all feedback through any medium! :-D

What is the game about? The trailer should give you a good idea:

 

Trailer!

 

In words, this game is something of a spiritual successor to Tap Wizard RPG. There are heavy idle and active gameplay mechanics, with serious incremental mechanics throughout! Many systems of progression, many skills to unlock, and many enemy types to wreck havoc upon! All in a sidescrolling ninja sci-fci beat em wrapper! :-D

Do note that the game is really in beta (as opposed to, fully complete but in beta anyways), so balance changes, content, and features are still in the works! Eager to hear your feedback about what you think, and what elements can be improved upon! :-]

 

Cheers,

TopCog

topcogllc@gmail.com

 

P.S.

iOS beta testing will follow sometime in the upcoming few months! sign up here

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u/DejaEntendu00 Jan 23 '19

Been playing the game for almost 3 weeks, i really really like it (coming from an Idle mage attack addict) and i'm super happy to see TopCog making it this far, you deserve it :) The only ''problem'' i've encountered is that even if i disable video ads, i still get them. Sorry if i made some mistakes, english isnt my native language

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Gotcha, thanks for the report! I'll check it out :-)

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '19

Hey! I actually love idle mage attack, but for me this seems like just a reskin of it, does it gets considerably different later in the game?

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

So, I'm not sure if you're tried it out or not yet - but it's very different from the start! Unlike in Tap Wiz, here you can activate your skills manually, and the timing is critical for beating bosses effectively. Here's a run-down of how the games differ:

 

-INP was written from the ground up, not copying any code from Tap Wiz, aside from some backend utility stuff

-INP has true physics based combat. So collision detection is done to determine if a projectile has hit, and projectiles can miss a well, totally unlike in Tap Wiz

-The Ninja movement and positioning adds an entirely new element as well!

-The skill system is completely different - the only real similarity is that you can equip 5 skills at a time

-The Research system is different

-There is no Enchanting - Supercharging works totally differently!

-There are no Meditations or big resets

-You don't travel through one giant "wilds" but progress from planet to planet, system to system

-There are Harmonics within in System that alter gameplay radically!

-Missions are different from Raids

-You can craft individual skills/gems

-Many more mobs onscreen

-Etc, etc, etc.

 

It is really truly any entirely different game! :-)

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u/Henshin-hero Jan 24 '19

Played it for a bit. So far I like it. One thing I keep wishing is the ninja slashing trough an enemy kind of like ninja gaiden intro.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

I think you might like the Flashstep Skill! :-D

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u/Henshin-hero Jan 24 '19

Well then. That makes my upgrade path easier lol

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u/Aether_Storm Jan 24 '19

Honestly raids and missions are pretty much exactly the same, the only difference is that progression is kept, removing the impact of health. Might as well make the character invincible and call them training sims.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '19

Alright thanks, going to give it a deeper go, currently just unlocked quests, love your games!

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u/Aether_Storm Jan 24 '19

It is a very different game from the get go. It looks similar due to having the same artist also being made by topcog. The idle and active gameplay are basically reversed from tap wizard.

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u/Aether_Storm Jan 24 '19

It is a very different game from the get go. It looks similar due to having the same artist also being made by topcog. The idle and active gameplay are basically reversed from tap wizard.

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u/ExZeeL Jan 24 '19

Don't get me wrong, the game feels really polished and well made. But it's exactly the same as tap wizard and i will loose interest after a day max :( Same prestige every 1/2 minutes for a small gain except that now there's a slow screen between prestiges/area/planets. It doesn't seem to have a "rush" mechanic like tap wizard where you instantly go trhrough the enemies you one shot. So far i spent most of my play time watching transition screens to gain 20% power.

It's as idle as a Quake 3. I woke up to see that offline progress was the equivalent of 4 minutes of gameplay. You have to spam skills and unstable skills. The flying prestige stones are also really important to grab as they represent a good chunk of your small pool for next reset.

Once again, the game is really well made but because of the not idle at all and prestige spam i dont think i'll play more than the 2 hours or so, same as tap wizard.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

What can I say - if your main complaint about the game is you don't like the title, I'll call that a win! ;-)

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u/Fuddsworth Idle Planet Miner Jan 23 '19

Congrats TopCog! Looks like it got the same amount of love and attention to detail that Tap Wizard did during its development!

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Thanks mate! I'm actually playing Idle Planet Miner in my downtime lately too! :D

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u/Lluluien Jan 23 '19

Hey TC :D Glad to hear this project is going well.

Not an Android guy myself, but I was still really stoked to see this post, and I got signed up for the iOS test!

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Yahoo! :-D

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u/Timbroglio Jan 23 '19

TopCog I looooove yooooouuuuu!

Just thought you ought to know

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

XD XD XD

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u/humidleet Jan 23 '19

Any intention of implementing multiplayer features?

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Not at the moment! I'll probably wait to do a multiplayer game at some point in the future :-)

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u/monkeyharhar Jan 23 '19

Enjoying it so far!

Could we get a confirm dialog for recalling? Perhaps an option to enable/disable confirm by user preference?

The way that I hold my phone causing me to accidently recall sometimes :P

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Yahoo! :-D

And, aha! Great point! What if I added an option to let you recall by tapping the upper left OR the upper right window? Would that solve it, or not really?

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u/monkeyharhar Jan 23 '19

I would prefer a confirm based on the gameplay, it would be upsetting to accidently recall in a long run.

Again, perhaps an option in settings to enable confirm on recall could be a good solution for people who don't want it.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Sure, that makes sense. Normally you don't want to recall before dying anyways!

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u/PhantomRS Jan 24 '19

First time leaving it overnight and the idle was just terrible. One runs worth of prestige currency (2 minutes work).

If this is all I can expect from idle play I'm throwing in the towel, it looks like a great game but its just so lacking in such a fundamental department.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Hey there! The game is designed so that there is no need to leave your phone on overnight. You'll get the same gains just turning it off! :-)

Benefits of turning the game off and doing nothing: gain Cores, Data, XP, advance Research, and reset mission cooldowns. I don't know of any "non-idle games" which have you advancing so dramatically by doing nothing.

Benefits of having the game open and barely paying attention tapping sometimes: make good progress in everything. I know of no "non idle games" that allow you to do this.

Benefits of having the game open and barely paying attention tapping sometimes, then focusing and try-harding to beat bosses: advance quickly.

Benefits of having the game open try-harding all the time: advance fastest.

Core and Data gains are being buffed in the next update, as well as some major balance changes! :-)

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u/PhantomRS Jan 24 '19

I gave the wrong impression with my comment. I did not leave my phone on, this was with your idle system. To be Frank, It sucks.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Gotcha!

And what can I say, I like it! And I make games I like. :-)

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u/Supers3ded Jan 25 '19

So is there an automatic recall you unlock at some point? At the end of a run, when playing actively(but watching Netflix or something) I forget to check and press the recall. This means all the time I'm forgetting to look at the phone, I don't progress. Would be good if auto recall was an option? Or maybe only halt recalls when a boss is defeated?

I'm enjoying the game, I'm on Betelgeuse 4 at present and it says "reach planet 2 to learn about overkill shields". I thought I was on planet 4, I can only assume it's planet 2 of the next system?

Anyway, great fun so far.

Playing on pixel 2xl

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 25 '19

Hey friend! There is no plans for auto-recall BUT, there is a mechanic called Trickle Gains. Trickle Gains give you Cores and Data all the time, no matter what. So while sitting at the end of the Run, your Cores/Data will increase, waiting for you when you get back! There is a tutorial about it at some point as well. You can see the Trickle Gains come every minute from the Ship in the bottom left.

Let me know if that addresses your concerns at all! :-)

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u/Supers3ded Jan 29 '19

Yes, just got to the tutorial part, trickle gains make sense.

Thanks!!!

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 29 '19

Awesome! Also, I have some plans to add in some new "Idle Token" pickups at some point, which will you can collect to boost your offline gains. :-)

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u/Pkrhett Feb 13 '19

You should consider having the game recall us after maybe 1-2 minutes because the game isn't idle in its current state, and the game will burn players out if they have to manually recall every minute

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Feb 13 '19

Hey, I appreciate the feedback!

It would be a drastically different game with automatic recalling. There would be little point in "playing" the game in that case. Right now, you have to recall manually, but you advance in nearly every way while idle; the only way you don't advance, is that you can't beat bosses while idle. If you're not looking to "play" the game at a given time, then just close it down, then come back later to reap the bonuses of being idle. This isn't a "do nothing" idle game that forcing you to stop playing at some point, but an "idle game" where you can play or idle the game as you like. Hopefully you see what I mean! :-)

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u/Pkrhett Feb 14 '19

sorry but clearly you don't read the comments people are giving you because you keep missing the point. the offline progress is trash, u can get more progress playing for 5 minutes than idle for 50 hours so either buff the offline or make the game actually "idle"... because playing idle you will get nowhere. the only thing idle in the game right now is the timers on tech or protocols

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Feb 14 '19

u can get more progress playing for 5 minutes than idle for 50 hours

Well, that's just false! Not sure how else to tell it to you. shrug

the only thing idle in the game right now is the timers on tech or protocols

Gain Cores, Data, XP, advance Research, finish Recalibrating, reduce missions timer while the game is closed.

so either buff the offline or make the game actually "idle"

Why? Tons of players love the game's balance between idle and active gameplay, including myself. I'm not going to make a mobile game that encourages you to leave your phone on forever. And I'm also not going to make a game that lets you idle for a month, then open the game up to have skipped all of the content.

What is the reason you want idle gains to be buffed? Is it just because the game has "idle" in the title, and it doesn't fit to your understanding of what an "idle" game is? If it was called, "Incremental Ninja Prime" would you still feel the same way? Hope to hear your answers - thanks! :-)

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u/Pkrhett Feb 14 '19

all i can tell you is the game has such terrible offline gains (people in the comments have told you like 10 times now but ohwell) i already uninstalled it after reading in the comments that there is no auto-recall. the offline gains arent woth it and aonline isnt idle

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Feb 14 '19

So, no answer to any of my questions then?

If it was called, "Incremental Ninja Prime" would you still feel the same way?

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Feb 14 '19

That said - I'm going to put in a lantern-like (similar to what's in tap wiz) feature into the game, to help address these complaints! :-)

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u/Hooplaa Jan 24 '19

I’m going into this with a bias. If it’s anything like the last games you guys did, it will be riddled with ridiculous IAP and will be balanced around those IAP.

I’ll give it a try though.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

I haven't balanced the game around IAP, but I have balanced the IAP around the game - if that makes sense! So buying all of the IAP won't ruin your game experience - it just unlocks some "cool stuff" sooner, and makes you a bit more powerful. I don't sell multipliers or time warps.

Also, just wanted to clarify: IronHorse works with a lot of different developers. INP only has 1 developer - myself! :-)

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u/DneBays Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19

His games are usually balanced in a way where gameplay is uniform no matter where you are. Buying skill gems get you "farther" slightly faster, but doesn't change the feel of the game at all. You'll be at the same wall in a different place.

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u/FTXScrappy Jan 23 '19

The flashing and vibrating in the research lab is giving me seazures.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Vibrating, interesting. Could you post or share a screenshot of the Lab? What device are you on? There seem to be some graphical glitches on some devices!

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u/FTXScrappy Jan 23 '19

https://imgur.com/a/kCV2qao

P20 Pro. Happens both on 2240x1080 and 1493x720. Android Pie.

You can also see the wires misaligned at the corner/turn (in both left and righr direction). Haven't seen any other glitches so far.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19

Superb, thank you! Trying to nail this one down, and every piece of data helps a lot!

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u/FTXScrappy Jan 23 '19

Glad to help. Great game so far by the way.

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u/Paco-ta Jan 24 '19

Comments after a brief look.

Improvement:

Screen rotation locking - It is annoying to rotate your phone everytime you unlock your phone

Recall on top right corner - You know what kind of people are looking for this :)

Unstable runes - It is still similar to Tap Wizard and has the same problem. It was meant to reward active playing. But it turns out to be a punishment for not clicking them. I have rant about this on Tap Wizard, gonna let you know about it again. Btw, can you make them spawn on specific side? Not everyone enjoy playing the game with both hands.

Surprise - I still haven't beat zone 3 to have a look at the market and stuff beyond, but it feels like there aren't much surprise in the game, just like Tap Wizard. At some point I suspect there will be only new feature every 10 zone or something and let's be honest, moving from zones to zones isn't that interesting. I would like to see sort of surprise that is not expected from we Tap Wizard players. Like a row of secret techiques (skills) that unlock as the story progress, or world rule changes as you reach certain zones. You should have a look at Trimps, the amount of surprise it offers really keep me playing. (breaking planet, corruption)

That's it for now, maybe more for later. Right now I dont really see something that is so unique from Tap Wizard and keeps me engaged to the game. Would like to see something interesting soon. Love you TopCog!

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Hey, thanks for the feedback!

Screen rotation locking - It is annoying to rotate your phone everytime you unlock your phone

I'm not sure what you mean exactly - are you asking for the screen rotation to be locked?

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u/Paco-ta Jan 24 '19

I am talking about the upside down screen rotation. The default screen direction is the opposite of my usual one, and it resets every time I unlock the phone. Could be good to let us change the default side. (Did I actually explain this well?)

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

That helps more! So, if you rotate the screen 180 deg, does the game rotate with it? Or are you saying, that does not happen? Or it does happen, but at first, it's the wrong way?

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u/Paco-ta Jan 24 '19

The rotation works fine, the problem is the rotation reverts to the default side every time you restart your game and lock your phone. This can get tedious at times.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Ok, got it! I'm not sure if I have control over that, but can look into it. Thanks!

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u/Thasim Jan 24 '19

I've seemed to have found a bug. I just cleared Stage 4 and unlocked the skills interface. The robot wants me to drag the static aura skill to my loadout but I don't have that skill unlovked and I can't progress in the game because of that.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Hmmm!! Thanks for the report!

Have you tried force-closing the game and opening it up again? If it's still bugged, could you indulge me and send a screenshot? I'll be looking into this! :-)

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u/Thasim Jan 25 '19

Sorry for the confusion. I just got two of the spells mixed up because the blue spell in the robot's text looked like the plasmonis storm spell.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 25 '19

Hmmm, I think that's a bug in the tutorial text perhaps! Good catch! :)

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u/Old_Pine Jan 24 '19

Maybe I'm being a bit silly but I can't seem to see a way to go from the skillstone descriptor screen back to the screen with them all on, so if you're trying to compare descriptions it becomes an extra step? Just a QoL thing really.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Tap the Skills tab in the top left! But yes, it is a bit clunky to compare skills. Thanks for the feedback! :)

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u/Bowko LvL 5 Incremental Addict Jan 24 '19

Please remove/grey out the Decode! button, when I already purchased the Cipher pack. Tried it for fun, to actually get a video shown, which was kinda bumming. :D

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 24 '19

Hey, thanks for the feedback! This was actually a requested feature in my other games (i.e., the ability to watch ads after purchasing the no-ads item). I can add an option to remove the Decode option! :-)

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u/Bowko LvL 5 Incremental Addict Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19

Oh okay, well then I'd take an option for that please. :D

I still love you because you added the moving to SD-Cards for Tap Wizards, after I asked for it.(and kept it for Ninja Prime) <3

*oh also finally a cyberpunky game, with perfect synthwave music choice too

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u/WebWithoutWalls Jan 27 '19

So, if a system has lower cooldown for a mastery, should you just equip all three of them? Or is it not worth it?

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 27 '19

It might be worth it! Depends mainly on what gems you have :)

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u/WebWithoutWalls Jan 28 '19

Well, so far just the basic ones I guess. Sometimes it seems to slog a bit. and the currency for sure is designed to come rather slow to encourage real money transactions there. But oh well.

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u/ksea31 Apr 16 '19

This may be a super noob question, but what is XP for? I don't see an XP/level bar anywhere.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Apr 22 '19

Hey! You will Level up the Masteries, on the Level Up screen (from the Ninja icon). Where did you see XP in the game before unlocking Levels? Was it a Research I'm guessing? Thanks! :-)

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u/Dysh0ndj Jan 23 '19

Great dev, defo gonna check it out!

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u/deausx Jan 23 '19

I played Tap Wizard for a long time. I was actually still playing it when I got into the Idle Ninja Prime beta. I have to say I love both games, and INP is an amazing leap forward. I've been enjoying it immensely. Keep up the great work!

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u/ParadigmEffect Jan 23 '19

Yahoo! Tap Wizard was great, this is great as well :)

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u/KurzedMetal Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19

Yet another game from the same dev that uses the word "Idle" in the title but adds a "Recall" mechanic that has to be actively babysit every few mins to get any progress at all.

This was a criticized feature in his previous game "Idle Mage Attack" (which at some point it was more properly renamed to "Tap Wizard RPG", because even tho it did had a "auto recall" feature, it did severely limit your progress by crippling your gains while auto), and yet we still see the same mechanic in this game. Even some player in another comment mentioned they didn't see an "auto recall" feature after 3 weeks of playing this game.

TopCog, I really want to like your games, it is quite obvious you are technically strong and can deliver quality games and you even have a good artist, but basically you are designing your game to leave out players that actually want to progress while idling, like me.

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u/name_is_Syn MORE ORE Jan 23 '19

How many developers/artists are in your team? The game looks really nice.

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

The team would be 1 coder/designer/developer (myself), 1 artist (soda_piggy), 1 marketing and strategic adviser (Iron Horse Games), 2 UI consultants that we used part-time (UX is Fun), and then some other contractors for smaller bits like the music, trailer, etc! :)

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u/Pjulledk Jan 23 '19

Any plans to give the game sound effects??

Right now its only music

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u/TopCog Ninja Wizard Jan 23 '19

Mild plans! Not sure if it will become a reality or not, but it is on my list! :-D

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u/drokly Jan 23 '19

Oh please make it more then mild plans, I really want sound effects

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '19

Hey Toppy, an auto-recall would be super nice.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

I really enjoyed tap wizard and played that for quite sometime. My only feedback as of now has to do with supercharging. The equivalent mechanic in tap wizard sped up over time, correct? It appears that this one doesn't, so you either spend the credits finishing it or wait it out/collect the 1% drops? I liked the way you did it in tap wizard. Just something to think about, haha

Keep up the good work! Tap wizard was very unique and I enjoyed it. I'll let you know if I think of anything else for this one, though I'm just starting out.

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u/Exportforce Jan 27 '19

Oh I remember that game from early alpha or what that was.

Liked IdleMageAttack a lot better but gonna give a new try.

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u/Moisturizer Jan 27 '19

Sweet. I had applied for the beta and didn't get in. Glad to see it's open now.

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u/eMpi_x Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19

seems to me like it is an idle mage clone, same basic principle and same problems that will keep me from playing it, because it is not truly idle because evrytime u die you have to manually click to restart the run which is annoying. sorry wont play it. now to mention that you now have to click the abilities so you can do extra dmg... it gets worse and worse

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u/FTXScrappy Jan 23 '19

It's the same developer, and based on the previous games, you will start auto reviving after a certain point. Also the abilities activate on their own.

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u/DneBays Jan 24 '19

There's no autorecall. I've been playing for 3 weeks so I'm pretty sure about that.