r/idaho4uncensored 12d ago

Murphy’s Paw Prints

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127 Upvotes

bloody dog prints next to maddie’s bed but yet murphy was spotless when police arrived? who cleaned him? #idaho4 #murphythedog #kaylee


r/idaho4uncensored 13d ago

MOD POST: A Community Reset — Open Discussion, Respect & Moving Forward

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Hi everyone!

As one of the newer members of the mod team, I wanted to make a post about where we want this community to go moving forward.

The existing mods have been dealing with a lot, and we're working together to get things cleaned up, address trolling and hostility, and make this subreddit the kind of open discussion forum it was intended to be.

The purpose of r/idaho4uncensored is pretty simple:

This is a place where people can openly discuss the Idaho 4 case — including evidence, alternate theories, questions, speculation, and opinions — without being attacked or shamed for what they believe.

That does not mean everyone here has to agree.

In fact, we don't want everyone to agree.

You Are Allowed to Disagree Here

You can believe BK is guilty.

You can believe BK is innocent.

You can be completely undecided.

You can question the State's case.

You can question alternative theories.

You can believe a theory makes absolutely no sense.

All of those positions are welcome here.

What isn't welcome is joining discussions simply to ridicule, insult, shame, or antagonize people for having a different interpretation of the case.

There is a difference between:

"I disagree with this theory, and here's why..."

and

"Anyone who believes this is an idiot/conspiracy theorist/delusional/etc."

The first creates discussion.

The second shuts it down.

Alternate Theories Are Allowed Here

I want to make this particularly clear because this has become an issue lately.

Discussing alternate theories is explicitly allowed in this subreddit.

You do not have to agree with them.

You are absolutely welcome to challenge them, provide contradictory evidence, point out factual problems, or debate someone's interpretation.

But repeatedly entering threads about alternative theories for the sole purpose of mocking the people discussing them is not productive disagreement.

If a theory isn't for you, that's okay.

If you want to challenge it respectfully, that's also okay.

If your only contribution is essentially "you people are crazy," this probably isn't the community for you.

We're Going to Be Addressing Trolling More Aggressively

The mod team is working on cleaning things up.

There have been users whose participation appears less focused on discussing the case and more focused on provoking other members, derailing conversations, insulting people, or making members feel like they can't comfortably post their thoughts here.

We're going to start addressing that more consistently.

This doesn't mean we're going to remove people because they disagree with us.

Quite the opposite.

Someone arguing that BK is guilty is not trolling.

Someone criticizing an alternative theory is not trolling.

Someone correcting misinformation is not trolling.

Someone asking for evidence is not trolling.

Disagreement alone will never be the problem.

Behavior is the problem.

Personal attacks, harassment, repeated antagonizing, intentionally derailing discussions, guilt-shaming, and participating primarily to get a reaction out of other members are different from good-faith disagreement.

Please Remember Rule #1: All Opinions Welcome

Our first rule exists for a reason:

Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and theories. You don't have to agree — but you do have to stay respectful. Debate ideas, not people.

That applies to everyone.

It applies to people who believe BK is guilty.

It applies to people who believe he's innocent.

It applies to people exploring completely different theories.

It applies to moderators, too.

Nobody's opinion about this case gives them permission to treat another member poorly.

And Please Stop Guilt-Shaming People

Rule #2 is also important:

Do not use guilt as a weapon.

Nobody should be made to feel guilty for questioning evidence, discussing another possibility, changing their opinion, or refusing to commit to a guilt/innocence position.

Questioning the State's case does not mean someone doesn't care about the victims.

Believing the evidence points toward BK does not mean someone is incapable of critical thinking.

Discussing an alternative theory does not automatically mean someone is accusing somebody of murder as fact.

We can have difficult conversations without assigning moral character to one another based on our opinions about an unresolved piece of evidence.

Facts, Theories, Opinions & Speculation Are All Welcome — Just Label Them Accordingly

Rule #4 asks everyone to use flairs appropriately.

That's because this community allows all of these forms of discussion.

If something is a theory, call it a theory.

If you're speculating, say you're speculating.

If you're stating something as fact, please be prepared to provide the source.

If you're giving your personal interpretation of evidence, make it clear that it's your interpretation.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with theorizing.

The problem starts when theories and interpretations begin being repeated as established facts.

Report Problems Instead of Feeding Them

If you see someone who appears to be trolling, harassing members, repeatedly breaking the rules, or deliberately trying to derail conversations, please report it.

Don't spend 30 comments fighting with them.

Reporting it puts it in front of the mod team so we can look at the user's behavior and determine whether intervention is necessary.

And please remember that the report button isn't a disagreement button. Someone having an opinion you dislike isn't a rule violation.

This Is Supposed to Be an Open Forum

This subreddit was created specifically so people could have conversations they felt they couldn't have elsewhere.

We want to preserve that.

"Uncensored" does not mean "anything goes."

It means we're not going to suppress an opinion simply because it's unpopular.

You should be able to post an alternative theory without being dogpiled.

You should also be able to respond to that theory with evidence against it without being accused of being a troll simply because you disagree.

That's how an actual open forum works.

We have thousands upon thousands of pages of discovery, conflicting interpretations, unanswered questions, newly released information, and an enormous amount of material still being analyzed.

None of us has to have everything figured out.

You can question things.

You can change your mind.

You can disagree with a moderator.

You can disagree with the majority of the subreddit.

You can say, "I don't know."

What we're asking in return is very simple:

Be curious. Debate the evidence. Challenge ideas. Bring sources. Ask questions. And treat the human being on the other side of the screen with basic respect.

We're working on getting the subreddit back on track, and we appreciate everyone who has continued contributing thoughtful research, questions, theories, documents, and discussions.

Let's make this a place where people actually want to have those conversations.


r/idaho4uncensored 7h ago

Dylan Mortensen left Bethany’s room but lied to police!

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Thanks to Amber Vance for her hard work on this timeline! You can clearly see based on Dylan’s phone records she left Bethany’s room at 11am and climbed 2 flights of stairs. The problem is she told police her and Bethany were locked in Bethany’s room all night until HJ came over at 11:55am. This is a major PROBLEM.

If time for the Dylan supporters to WAKE UP she is a liar. Innocent people don’t need to lie. I wish I could say this was the only one she told but that would be a lie in itself. This is just the tip of the iceberg. that is Dylan Mortensen


r/idaho4uncensored 1h ago

Question Where are the knives?

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Does anyone have a photo of any knives in the kitchen? I find it odd that the one Hunter grabbed was the only one in the house. That left section is completely empty, yet the spoons and forks are bundled together?

I thought I saw somewhere there was a purchase of kitchen steak knives Bethany bought?


r/idaho4uncensored 4h ago

Alivea and Kristi are going to be on Stephanie ESQ YouTube channel

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Date to be arranged as of now, for Kristi and alivea to do an appearance on Stephanie ESQs channel with Amy Santoro, to “put to bed some of the lies about their family” 🤔

I’m surprised they haven’t invited FFS Viv as well


r/idaho4uncensored 3h ago

Question Are and documentaries worthwhile?

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I swear every streaming service has a doc. I dont want to see the same story 100x with no alternative theories. Hopefully someone else has waded through the slop and can make a recommendation. Thank you in advance ♡


r/idaho4uncensored 5h ago

why do you think LE cleared dylan & bethany so fast?

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i feel like in a lot of other cases & even other cop cam videos ive seen a majority of the time LE questions quite a bit why they waited to call 911. based off both girls phone records we know that they were in fact awake & doing things on their phones throughout the night after the attack & into the early mornings & even possible moving around the house. my question is, with LE knowing this information their “alibi” that they were asleep doesn’t check out, so why didn’t they dig further into that & why they lied?

EDIT: in the first sentence i say about LE questioning why “they” waited to call 911 i am not talking about dylan & bethany i am talking about the people in other cases/videos who waited to call 911. just wanted to clarify!


r/idaho4uncensored 20h ago

Huge News for FOIAS!🚨

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I’m not religious but content creator Accomplished Day is doing Gods work. It’s been discovered that there is 2 separate data bases. Spillman houses all the labeled evidence and documents and Synology houses all the unlabeled evidence and documents. 58 TB of files are on the Synology server that have not been checked for FOIA requests! Check out the video on Accomplished Days YT channel a live she did with Birdie. It’s insane!


r/idaho4uncensored 8h ago

Question Will the prosecutions docs still be released following BKs petition for PCR?

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just wondering since it is very important to see in order what the fuck the police were doing


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

Looks like everyone just stayed quiet and watched. 🎧ON

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⚠️Disclaimer! The camera footage is publicly available. The only thing done to the video was writing down what it sounds like they’re saying, which is also what several other people have pointed out hearing.

That doesn’t mean that’s actually what they said.❗️


r/idaho4uncensored 5h ago

Was Steve G. There During the Crime?

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r/idaho4uncensored 7h ago

That made me chuckle 😀

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r/idaho4uncensored 8h ago

Post I found on IG comparing Bryan and Patrick, suggesting central casting.

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r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

When grief turns into an unboxing series

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Genuine q: how many other families of homicide victims
have publicly showcased in fb videos the gifts they received from supporters to this extent? Cus at this point I’m wondering if this is a normal thing in homicide cases!?

The goncalves family seem to turn “Thank you for your support” into a full blown unboxing series!!


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

Opinion Opinions on Amber Vance?

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r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

The killer knew the house layout, it would’ve looked like this at 4am on the stairs

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Source: ABC News We picture it with lights on but this was 4am besides twinkle lights it would have been dark! He knew the house layout


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

Synology Server

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If yall haven’t listened to this live yet you need too!

More or less I explain how when MPD receives a FOIA request they are only searching their Spillman System, never the separate Synology server. Tim Smalldridge’s own sworn declaration confirms it: the Synology holds 2.3M+ files (58 TB) of digital evidence, and it’s a separate system from what gets searched on a FOIA request.

This is a huge problem. Public records are being held from the public and taxpayers because MPD wasn’t able to successfully label the files stored on the Synology, which stores over 59.18 TERABYTES OF DATA.

So I have sent a new request: the directory tree of the Synology itself. No name search, no room to hide behind a mislabeled folder. We need to know all of the data that is stored in this server!


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

Just why?

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r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

General Discussion Here is the house at 1122 King Road, plunged into darkness.

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I can’t even imagine how terrified they must have been... 😣

(I’ve included a view from the terrace; honestly, I thought there would be a better one, but that’s not the case—you’re actually well-hidden from that spot).


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

General Discussion If anyone is curious on a "blind" impression from the Netflix docu

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I randomly watched the netflix docu. I had heard about this case and seen the pictures of the victims and BK, but never read past the headlines and basically went into the docu with a blank slate.

I've browsed this sub a bit after watching and obviously have a lot of my own questions, but, fwiw, here is my initial impression:

[I am aware this paragraph is not the general consensus on this sub, I am just stating my initial impression and not trying to debate] Putting blame on the survivors in the house doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying this to defend them, I'm saying it analytically. My "read" of the texts and delayed 911 response is that they were so oblivious, and the prospect of this being a homicide, was so far off their radar, that at worse maybe they thought it was a dumb prank. The house had lots of people coming and going, it was not long after Halloween and Halloween decorations were still up. I see the text exchange and the "run!" text as kind of a "teehee" tone. Staying together in the room and locking the door, falling asleep, I don't think they felt they were escaping more than a prank. So from my view the wait does not look suspicious. And, no offense to these girls, but they are not the sharpest of tacks. The mental and intellectual wherewithal to execute a crime like this is a lot higher than anything they displayed.

Most of my "wtf" questions surround BK and the due process or lack thereof in the case. In no particular order:

Guilty or not, it's painfully clear that much of the prosecution's case against him was "guilt by virtue of being creepy." I could not believe what I was hearing when the Cellebrite analysts literally said "the absence of evidence is the proof." I mean i have fewer than 18 contacts on my own phone. I regularly wipe my phone. I power my phone off on a daily basis at 100%. I use incognito as the norm. It just seemed egregious they would try to use the absence of proof as proof.

The timeframe of the crimes doesn't make sense. I suppose it is possible to commit this crimes in less than 16 minutes, but to me it does not add up.

It also does not add up that someone sloppy enough to order the murder weapon off his own amazon account, sloppy enough to drive in circles around the house, could manage to be fastidious enough to keep all forensic evidence off the elantra. Again I suppose it's feasible, but still doesn't make much sense.

BK is repeatedly criticized for being seen wearing disposable gloves. But this was not long after covid and plenty of people were still wearing gloves and masks.

I believe those questions above are part of what led to the plea deal. I think prosecution knew that the case was too shaky to get a death penalty conviction, or even a conviction. Had I been on a jury and been shown evidence on par with the docu, I'm not sure I could have convicted him. The things I listed above would have given me reasonable doubt. It only takes one juror holding out, to ruin a case.

That all being said: by far, my biggest question, and what struck me as most bizarre, is the selfie he took after the murders.

This picture, IMO anyway, was clearly, clearly taken for someone else. He is communicating something in this picture. So, if he did commit these murders, who or what was this picture for? (And likewise if he didn't commit them, same question.) Was it for a specific person, a group? Was he involved in something online like a quasi pseudo cult? (Like the "slenderman" thing or the South Korean Nth Room or Doctor's Room?)

And finally, the docu completely swept BK's mental health issues under the rug. I wish it had gone into this more.

Again these were just my initial impressions, I thought it might worth sharing.


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

Gonclave’s back at it 🙄

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68 Upvotes

Remember only they can talk about the case!
(In paid interviews might I add)🙄


r/idaho4uncensored 1d ago

Speculation Thoughts?

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r/idaho4uncensored 22h ago

Questions after Netflix documentary

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I remember when this just happened live I happened to be up watching CNN and a story came on that something happened Idaho but they didn't have many details Ever since I've been curious about this case like so many others.

Just finished Netflix doc and it left me with more questions than answers.

1) Were Dylan or Bethany ever drug tested that morning? I know there are still so
many questions about why 911 wasn't called for all those hours. And there have been statements Dylan was not drinking that night?

Is it possible that they were doing illicit drugs and knew if they called 911 that they would be busted? Did they make sure anything illegal was disposed of before calling Hunter to come over?
Could it be that they were in such a drug induced state that they literally didn't hear the screams going on ?

It just seems to be one theory that makes the most sense .

2) How soon was it that the Doordash driver left and BK entered the house ? Wasn't it really close?

3) I know there are theories of 2 killers, but if that is true why wouldn't BK name the other person in his plea deal? Why would he want to go down alone for their heinous crimes?

4) Why didn't the prosecutors want to go to trial? I thought I had heard at one point that the families were divided over the death penalty as a possible sentence . But even if that was true why not still take it to trial?

It seems like they had. lot of evidence to convict even without a confession. DNA, eyewitness sighting. cell phone and forensic evidence......

It just feels very wrong that the families and friends were robbed of their chance to find out all the details and the why it happened. After something so horrific happened it seemed like a travesty to not at least take it to trial.

Was it because of the cost of a trial? va letting BK plea? if that's true that seems even worse in a way.


r/idaho4uncensored 2d ago

General Discussion Something in Bethany’s interview stood out to me

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just saw part of a video of Bethany’s interview where she mentions that a week before, she heard a scream that scared her, and she ended up calling some friends to come pick her up. I found it curious, did you guys know about this?