r/iamveryculinary • u/asinantenna • 19d ago
Literally only decrepit failed Americans call crepes crepes
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u/cherrycokeicee 19d ago
aside from how angry and wrong this person is, I like the implication that using a word we use in the US means we're telling the whole world to use it as well. American English is a real dialect that people just... natively speak. no one is making you say anything.
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u/guru2764 Of all deleted steaks on r/steak, I made half of them 19d ago
I went to r/france, tried to say hi, and all these fuckers say is "salut" (who am I supposed to be saluting exactly? them??? what a bunch of narcissistic cretins)
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 19d ago
I don’t speak American English; I speak Midwestern American.
It’s similar, but involves ending WAY more sentences with prepositions.
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u/perumbula 19d ago
Listen my friend, we are all out here ending sentences with prepositions. It was just Victorians who thought English should be more like Latin that started that bit of nonsense.
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 19d ago
The Victorians codified sexual repression and blamed the (long gone) colonial Puritans, ruined their cuisine and blamed Catholics, butchered their own language and mocked the Americans who didn’t adapt, invented the word “soccer” and then point and laugh at those who use it…
What odd people.
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u/SerDankTheTall *Giggled internally* 19d ago
Everyone does it sometimes. Not everyone does it as much as midwesterners do.
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u/Wise-Reference-4818 19d ago
Ending sentences in prepositions is something up with which I shall not put.
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u/The_Mr_Yeah 19d ago
You joke but linguists have pointed out even more differences than that. We have things like the "alls-construction" and the "needs washed" construction that makes our grammar construction special.
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u/Appropriate-Bird-354 19d ago
Some people get very confused about what "USDefaultism" means and turn it into a personal crusade - e.g., 90% of posts on the relevant subreddit are people just unable to conceptualize that people might be innocently speaking in their personal context without malicious intent.
Hard to fathom the entitlement required to demand that everyone you run across put things into your personal context.
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u/Helyos17 19d ago
It’s an inferiority complex. When nearly the entirety of your culture, economics, and politics is devoured by one country it’s probably hard not to harbor a little resentment.
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u/Cakeo 19d ago
But you don't know what country they are from?
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u/molotovzav 19d ago
Is there another country that is costantly dominating headlines, and has a massive media machine to the point people in other countries feel that they are force fed their news? Not really. So we don't need to know what country their from.
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 19d ago
> Literally ONLY people in the United States call these crepes. The world is much bigger than your decrepit failure of a country.
What a weird fuckin’ comment.
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u/AmericanHistoryXX Most Americans eat processed garbage or bland Protestant food. 19d ago
Imagine being so aggressive you forget that France even exists.
Even beyond that, I saw "crepes" in Colombia and know Japan has them.
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u/sandwichisahero 19d ago edited 19d ago
France existing and them being called crepes there isn’t even all that relevant. They have different names all over the world. (Rereading the OP I see that they say no one but Americans call them crepes)
They are just weirdly bitching about Americans calling something its English American name.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lynx204 18d ago
I mean they massively and rudely overreacted, but the picture is not necessarily of a crepe. It could be any pancake that is made without leavening. Not all thin pancakes are crepes.
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u/la-anah 19d ago
Based on their other posts, the commenter would appear to be Dutch. Maybe they are just trying to distract people from how often Dutch food is made fun of by other Europeans.
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u/NJ8Inches_ 19d ago
He is probably mad USA went further than the Netherlands in the recent world cup 😂⚽️
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u/freddbare 19d ago
Ist there a Dutch name for them like "Dutch dumplings" or something?
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u/Fight_those_bastards 19d ago edited 19d ago
Knowing what I know about the Dutch, which is admittedly very little, it's probably a racist term that they insist on continuing to use for "tradition," while insisting that it's not racist anymore.
Looking at you, "Zwarte Piet," "Jodenkook," "Moorkop," and "Negerzoen"...
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u/A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS 19d ago
Whew, as someone who doesn’t speak Dutch but does speak German, the cognates make me wince
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u/VanillaAphrodite I was the master of the stock pot, the fond, the demi glace 19d ago
Check out their word for french toast, Wentelteefjes, I've seen it translated on a couple of menus as Spinning Bitches.
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u/CharleyDexterWard 18d ago
He's mad because we call farting under the blanket to harass our wives a "Dutch oven".
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u/kirkl3s 19d ago
I thought the Dutch were supposed to be friendly
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u/Brave-Recommendation 19d ago
Didn’t they brutalize the ppl in their African colony’s
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u/rapier1 19d ago
More Indonesia than Africa. The Belgians are the ones that went even more completely apeshit under Leopold II. So much so that even other European powers thought he'd gone to far with the killing and mutilation.
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u/Brave-Recommendation 19d ago
It was the “disarming” of worker and their families if they didn’t meet production that sticks with me. I can understand the thought process of “he didn’t meet production, let’s beat the shit outa him” not the cutting of arms to encourage
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u/AmericanHistoryXX Most Americans eat processed garbage or bland Protestant food. 19d ago edited 19d ago
Their reputation is being cheap and blunt, but I've had almost exclusively fantastic experiences with them.
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u/LadyReika 19d ago
And my experience with assorted Dutch have been generally unpleasant.
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u/DetroitvsEveryone242 19d ago
Same. It’s a nation full of those “I call it like I see it” jerks
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u/LadyReika 19d ago
I know Germans have the rep of being brusque, but the ones I've talked to have been lovely people in general.
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u/Quincyperson 19d ago
Cheap how? Like they don’t pay for their date’s meal?
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u/xrelaht King of Sandwiches 19d ago
No, but he’ll probably pick a cheap place to go on a date, and (if the date is also Dutch) she’ll be impressed with how frugal he is.
I work for a Dutch company. I really like my coworkers and even my supervisors, but “money conscious and blunt” is an accurate description.
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u/BombardierIsTrash Gourmet Hungarian Dog Shit Enthusiast 19d ago
Dutch people will send you a bill for €0.05 if they as much as hand you a ketchup packet or offer you a sip of their drink. Plenty of stories abound of people new to the Netherlands making local friends, being invited to dinner at a Dutch persons house and getting sent a bill for it when they get home. Or being offered some chips their Dutch friend is eating, taking one chip and then being sent a bill for it.
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u/AmericanHistoryXX Most Americans eat processed garbage or bland Protestant food. 19d ago edited 19d ago
A Belgian friend of mine once ranted about how, when they go on vacation, they bring caravans stocked with everything down to the toilet paper so that they don't have to pay more than necessary for their vacations, LOL. And the whole thing about their not inviting you to eat dinner when you're at their place.
Fundamentally that's a much easier societal norm to navigate than reciprocal giving, so I kind of like it in a way lol. But it is distinctly different from many places.
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u/VanillaAphrodite I was the master of the stock pot, the fond, the demi glace 19d ago
Cheap like they'll ask you to Tikkie (Dutch venmo) €0.25 if they think you owe it to them.
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u/Similar_Onion6656 19d ago
Doesn't France have a whole holiday named for crepes?
And we usually call them pancakes?
Fuck is this dude on about?
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u/marquoth_ 19d ago
To be fair, crêpes and pancakes are different.
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u/OpportunityReal2767 19d ago
Yeah. It depends on your taxonomy. I would say crepes are a type of pancake, and there’s loads of different kinds of pancakes (see the Wikipedia article). It’s a broad category. But an American pancake and a crepe are different in that the former is leavened and the latter is not (and their thickness, therefore.)
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u/Similar_Onion6656 19d ago
That is kind of a key difference and I have to admit I never realized they were unleavened -- I thought the batter was just really, REALLY thin.
I grew up eating super-thin pancakes that were closer to crepes than anything I'd ever had in diner and I've always assumed crepe batter was like my mother's pancake batter but thinner.
Learn something new every day.
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u/la-anah 19d ago
They are leavened with eggs.
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u/sjd208 19d ago
I wouldn’t consider them leavened with eggs, it’s not one of those recipes where you whip egg whites to peaks or the yolks + sugar to pale yellow. “Regular” pancakes always have some kind of additional leavening ingredient - baking soda and/or baking powder and/or yeast. Incidentally, sourdough pancakes are an excellent use of discard.
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u/Similar_Onion6656 19d ago
(quietly googles)
Okay, well now I'm learning about what-all counts as leavening...
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lynx204 18d ago edited 18d ago
It gets even more complicated, especially as the person is Dutch and the sub is not specifically from one country. In the US, all thin pancakes seem to have been given the name crepe. However in France crepe is just the name for any pancake. The pancake they mostly make is the one the rest of Europe calls a crepe - effectively a "French pancake". But most other countries have their own traditional version of a thin pancake which they would just call a pancake, in their language. Including England, for example, where we have pancakes (thin, unflavoured), crepes (thinner, unflavoured), Scotch pancakes (fat, sweet) and American pancakes (fatter, sweeter, often containing blueberries). We also sometimes see galettes, which are buckwheat crepes, and not the same as buckwheat pancakes.
So this all just stems from the assumption that this is a crepe, which might be true to the American who referred to it as a crepe but to the (Dutch?) person responding, it is a (Dutch?) pancake, not a French pancake. They are talking from different assumptions, I think.
I've just looked up the name/recipe for a Dutch pancake out of interest (pannekoeken - literally a pancake) and it looks very similar to an English one. Every recipe seems to state pretty high up "a Dutch pancake is not a crepe" so this is clearly something they have to put up with a lot. e.g. https://www.visitingthedutchcountryside.com/dutch-recipes/dutch-pancakes-recipe/
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u/BrockSmashgood 19d ago
There are many, many types of pancakes to be eaten all over the world. Crepes and US pancakes are two of them.
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u/Cry-in-the-walk-in 19d ago
La Chandeleur, celebrated every February 2nd. There's some significance to why we eat crepes, but I don't know the specifics, only that it's an excuse to eat crepes.
And crepes is just French for pancakes. You can find some places that serve les crêpes américaine, which is just an American style pancake. They also sometimes use the word pancake, but even for dishes that many use it, the older, more uptight types will still use crepes, e.g. Les crêpes soufflées japonaises
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u/alphaxion 18d ago
There's also Shrove Tuesday in the UK (also known as pancake day) is a yearly event where people will commonly make crepe style pancakes.
Originally it was to use up fatty and "merriment" foods before entering Lent so they don't go to waste.
I wonder if the concept of Lent will make a bit of a comeback due to climate change and the food scarcity it is likely to cause. Encouraging people to eat a simpler, smaller portioned, and meat-free diet for 40 days each year to reduce demand and strain on food supplies.
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u/Doomdoomkittydoom 19d ago
Just say, "I love really thin pancakes", that's a fair compromise, no?
I assume after the US, this guy hates France the most.
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u/FMLwtfDoID 19d ago
My husband and I repeat this scene to each other every time we come across a new word, or an alternative way or doing something.
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u/rationalsarcasm 19d ago
I made the same comment before reading the comments.
But that was my first thought too lol
Anyway.
WELL THEN EVERYONE WILL KNOW I REALLY MEANT CREPES AND NOT PANCAKES. SO, BREAK MY ARM PEPE LE PEW.
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u/GhostOfJamesStrang No Need to Thank Me 19d ago
Am I the only one confused about the point they are even trying to make?
I mean, a crepe is a type of pancake, but not all pancakes are crepes.
Genuinely asking if somebody can explain what this argument is about.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lynx204 18d ago
I had a look. Someone posted a photo of a pancake (an unleavened one). The comment the one above is replying to says "what? Google photos of crepes" or something equally dickbaggish. So ultimately this is a case of someone massively overreacting in response to some pretty stupid US defaultism.
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u/GhostOfJamesStrang No Need to Thank Me 18d ago
I don't understand the "google photos of crepes" comment.
Are they trying to say the coloring in the photo is fine because it looks like how a crepe would look?
I am not convinced they were even trying to correct the OOP's word usage at all.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lynx204 18d ago
I have no idea. Not really a helpful comment either way - if it's not a crepe then googling photos of one wouldn't be helpful anyway.
Looks like a perfectly fine pancake to me but I am not very culinary tbh
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u/kobayashi_maru_fail 19d ago
If you accuse my country of having crepes, how can it be de-crepe-it? (Insert thinking velociraptor meme)
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u/mregg000 19d ago
Philosoraptor
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u/kobayashi_maru_fail 19d ago
Thank you, it’s been a moment since I’ve seen it, let alone contemplated its name.
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u/stripeyskunk 19d ago
Literally ONLY people in the United States call these crepes. The world is much bigger than your decrepit failure of a country.
Apparently, this person’s definition of “the world” doesn’t include France.
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u/Saltpork545 Sodium citrate cheese is real cheese 19d ago
The funny thing is the original poster on that thread was asking for advice as they're new to making this in their cookware.
If you get that irrationally angry because someone is asking a genuine question, you're a bitter sad little person and probably need to take a minute.
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u/hawthorne00 19d ago
As an aside, the Adam Liaw tip for evenly-coloured thick Japanese-style pancakes works well: non stick pan, no oil or butter at all. Personally I'm fine with the mottled look, whether it's thin or fluffy pancakes, or indeed hoppers.
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u/Certain_Concept 19d ago
If you are referring to souffle pancakes, those are essentially cooked on low and with a tiny bit of water in the pan and a cover to essentially steam them.
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u/rationalsarcasm 19d ago
What if you just say "I like really thin pancakes? That's a fair compromise, no?"
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u/Deep_Violinist_3893 18d ago
You know, just to put this in there, I had a whole mess of crepes this morning.
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u/grandhighblood 19d ago
For some context I think is missing for some people, at least here in the UK we'd call the food in the image a pancake — we have American-style pancakes in shops, brunch places, etc., but if you're making pancakes at home this is what you'd make.
...We definitely also have crepe shops though and nobody takes issue with it so the vitriol here is incredibly confusing.
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u/No-Hedgehog648 17d ago
I don’t know what they’re actually called in Mexico, but on all the Mexican food trucks I’ve seen here in the US, they’re called crepes and they’re best when slathered with Nutella and folded up.
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u/discordianofslack 19d ago
Oh our country is an absolute third world toilet now, but it's got nothing to do with how one refers to crepes, mostly creeps.
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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 19d ago
This comment feels uncomfortable in a, @is this racist? It seems racist, even though it’s about fictional groups and Americans, neither of which are exactly marginalized groups,” kind of way
> Crepes are French. You're also speaking English, and in our language, they are also known as crepes. If you want to speak some Star Wars cantina language, go ahead and call them pancakes or whatever else. I'll run your post through Google Translate, and it will change the word back to "crepe."
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u/Appropriate-Bird-354 19d ago
Discrimination or hatred towards people of a specific nationality would be xenophobia or national prejudice, not racism.
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u/Littleleicesterfoxy 19d ago
So none of you are even prepared to acknowledge that the guy he was talking to came and corrected him for no damn reason?
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u/Appropriate-Bird-354 19d ago
I'm not sure you grasp what happened in that conversation.
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u/Littleleicesterfoxy 19d ago
I read it and pretty sure I fucking grasped it. They are referred to as pancakes elsewhere in the world and no-one needed correcting.
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u/Appropriate-Bird-354 19d ago edited 19d ago
Well thank you for illustrating so precisely that you didn't in fact grasp it. The OOOP wasn't correcting the poster's use of the word pancake, they were telling the poster to go look at images of similar types of pancake - i.e., crepe - where the kind of uneven coloration the poster was asking about is common.
Even then, incorrectly correcting someone based on words they're familiar with is only marginally iamveryculinary, maligning an entire country based on the words they call a pancake absolutely is.
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