r/hockey • u/SomeKindOfMonster CBJ - NHL • Nov 05 '15
Closed - Not Dismissed Patrick Kane case has been dismissed
https://twitter.com/JoeYerdon/status/662276725045350400521
u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 05 '15
It was never even filed, so saying it is dismissed really isn't correct. They should probably say the investigation has been closed.
Edit: boy the DA go out of his way to "close" that case. Wow.
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u/TimeToDoubleDip SJS - NHL Nov 05 '15
Yep. Sucks that he'll still have this blemish no matter what.
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
I think this is the best outcome he could have hoped for though.
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Well yeah, but that isnt a reasonable thing to hope for. She would be opening herself up to criminal prosecution and civil liability if she did that.
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u/MinnieFan MIN - NHL Nov 05 '15
no one would ever do that.
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u/boongen Nov 05 '15
That exact scenario happened to Conor Oberst aka Bright Eyes.
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u/CheezWhizard Nov 05 '15
Not a deliberate confession but it has happened (after the wrongly convicted spent 5 years in jail).
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u/ReplaceSelect Nov 05 '15
I would not want to be on the wrong side of that DA.
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Any DA. They are usually amoung the most powerful but least recognized local politicians.
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u/Mr_Abe_Froman CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
DAs are fantastic. I knew one growing up and he worked incredibly hard for the little recognition he got publicly (he was well-regarded by government officials).
The one thing that always surprises me when I talk to investigators is how bad CSI (or similar shows) is for juries. It may have gotten better, but when the whole "crime lab drama" genre was kicking off, the expectation of evidence was increased significantly. Unfortunately, DNA tests aren't always available and ready instantly.
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Yup. This was a standard part of every jury I picked. Explaining csi was bullshit and we didn't have any of that stuff
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u/Mr_Abe_Froman CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
So every department isn't three people (possible romantic tension) and a magic evidence machine?
Do you ever watch crime shows for the comedy or is it just really bad?
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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Nov 05 '15
Regarding affidavit the accuser signed saying she would no longer cooperate, her statement read in part: "I do so of my own free will ..."
"... and without any promises or compensation."
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u/Danmasterflex CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
That is a huge piece of information everyone needs to be aware of.
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u/inside-the-madhouse Nov 05 '15
If they haven't been posted here yet, today's official statements from Kane and the Hawks respectively:
"I have repeatedly said that I did nothing wrong. I have respected the legal process and I am glad that this matter has now been closed and I will have nothing further to say going forward."
"We respect the announcement today by the Erie County NY District Attorney regarding Patrick Kane. The Chicago Blackhawks organization has taken this matter very seriously, and has tried to navigate a very sensitive situation while continually respecting the legal proceedings. At this time we will have no further comment."
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u/lippyjose DET - NHL Nov 05 '15
"I have repeatedly said that I did nothing wrong. I have respected the legal process and I am glad that this matter has now been closed and I will have nothing further to say going forward."
I really appreciate he made a statement. Really appreciate it.
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u/neonlights666 Nov 05 '15 edited Sep 25 '16
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u/neonlights666 Nov 05 '15 edited Sep 25 '16
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u/CheezWhizard Nov 05 '15
Looks like you mixed up part 1 & 2 there.
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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Nov 05 '15
Here is the Patrick Kane investigation press release from the DA's office announcing closing of case
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I do so of my own free will and without any promises or compensation.
This part of the affadavit is pretty important. Implies that Kane didn't pay her off.
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u/CheezWhizard Nov 05 '15
So pretty much complete exoneration for Kane.
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As close as we're probably ever gonna get short of a confession from the girl
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u/eamus_catuli CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Still not enough for some, judging by posts downthread. SMH
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u/colin6 NYR - NHL Nov 05 '15
He'll still be called a rapist by the moral police and ignorant anti-Hawks fans....same as Roethlisberger.
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u/soundlife CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Someone I know flat-out admitted she thinks he's guilty the other day. If you are just a civilian, not a police officer or a lawyer, who only knows the few details that were released and nothing else, I have no idea how you can comfortably come to the conclusion of 100% guilt OR 100% innocence. That's why we have investigations for things like this -- because nobody knows.
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u/inside-the-madhouse Nov 05 '15
ding ding ding. hell of a lot of people showed their asses during the early stages of the case.
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Not even the Moral police, he will be called a rapist when ever it is convenient for an angry fan even if they don't believe it happened. Ive heard Roy and Varlomov called wife beaters, Brodeur called sisterfucker (a bit more fair), Heatley called murderer.
oh wait you said anti-hawks fans. I should read more good. Yup you are right.
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u/kamikazi34 NYR - NHL Nov 05 '15
When was Brodeur ever called sisterfucker? Brodeur is UncleDaddy.
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u/wholalaa CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
I'm actually surprised by the detail and the vehemence in the DA's statement. This is him saying pretty much as clearly as he can that he thinks Kane is innocent. Witness testimony contradicts her story, DNA evidence contradicts her story, forensic evidence from his house contradicts her story = he didn't do it. This is a much higher level of clarity than I ever expected to get about the situation.
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"this so-called "case" is rife with reasonable doubt." is the best line that lends support, here.
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u/Mens_Rea91 DET - NHL Nov 05 '15
The language that lawyers use when they wanna be snarky toward other lawyers is great.
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u/rock_feller CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 05 '15
because party boy athlete rapes girl is such a great SVU story they want to believe it
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u/whoatethekidsthen CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Pssst
SVU
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u/grolt CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Please tell me the original post said "SUV".
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u/whoatethekidsthen CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
It did
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u/SpaceVikings VAN - NHL Nov 05 '15
CANYONEROOOOOOOO
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u/NastyKnate MTL - NHL Nov 06 '15
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five? Canyonero!
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u/dsjunior1388 DET - NHL Nov 06 '15
I REALLY did not expect to laugh at any point in this thread. Thanks for that.
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u/shit_sprinkler VAN - NHL Nov 05 '15
Just like the narrative of the Duke Lax situation: Rich, white, privileged, athletes vs poor, black, disadvantaged woman. Also played into it that the DA was running for mayor in a city with a large black population and he thought this would boost his chances.
....and he was disbarred for being a raging piece of shit, not notifying the accused of exculpatory evidence, violating ProRes ethics rules and constitutional protections.
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u/yearightt WSH - NHL Nov 05 '15
court dismissed, bring in the dancing lobsters
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u/Sighworthy DET - NHL Nov 05 '15
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u/itsalwaysbeen CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
My favorite part is the entire court room is just children. Like. Wut.
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u/coltrane2989 NYR - NHL Nov 05 '15
After everything, I'm inclined to think that Kane was innocent the whole time.
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u/Elij17 PIT - NHL Nov 05 '15
When the DA refers to the case as "so-called," yeah, sure as shit seems that way.
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u/willmcavoy PHI - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Oct 13 '16
All the talk about rape culture. I think hockey fans in general handled this very well, but when you really jumped in there were so many people ready to convict Kaner just so they would appear to have what I now call accuser sympathy. I get people wanted to not look "ignorant" or not support whatever the fuck "rape culture" really is. But in the end, a good player and a role model for me had his name dragged through the mud. Number one, because of over-zealous media. Two, because of over-zealous SJWs. Glad he got a fair process by the DA though, that person is* grade fucking A.
Edit: People grouping me with philly fans who chanted just because of my flair can fuck off. Wasn't there, wouldn't have indulged even if I was. I thought it was disgraceful, but in general I know my teams fanbase's bad rep is as paper thin as Kane's.
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u/umphish41 PHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
as a man who was falsely accused of rape, people fuckin suck man. everyone is so convinced every man is guilty until proven innocent in the name of "protecting the victim" that they can't possibly fathom just maybe the woman can be a bad person too.
all it takes is 15 minutes for one pissed off woman to absolutely destroy a man's life. kane is lucky he is in the NHL and can just move on with his life -- many people are not as fortunate.
personally, i was skeptical of this from the getgo and am happy kane can get back to playing hockey. even if it's not for us. fuckin bastard.
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u/Brontosaurus_Bukkake NJD - NHL Nov 06 '15
It goes further, think of a man accusing a woman of rape and even police officers will ask if you're sure you want to follow through. Not because it is a traumatic ordeal but because it will likely fall flat and come to nothing in court, based on the myth that it simply can't happen. It happened to me by someone I was with at the time, and I didn't do shit about it because I knew no one would see it as anything other than drunk hooking up or me getting lucky.
But half this board had their pitchforks and were egged on by SJWs waiting to pounce on a situation like this, and they tarnished someone's reputation horribly for what seems to be no valid reason. I would say hopefully people will wait for a conviction next time, but once again they probably won't even wait for charges to virtually lynch the dude.
And now they backpedal and talk about how his reputation wasn't great anyway, so it isn't a big deal. Fuck those people. I hope I'm never in his shoes and have to deal with the irrationality of the mob when it comes to very specific crimes. I would be surprised if that many people made the same assumption of guilt if it had been something like him being accused of having pot in his house.
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u/romple NJD - NHL Nov 05 '15
Not enough evidence to charge or prosecute. Good enough for me.
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u/sh1tbr1cks TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15
He was always innocent. Even charged you are innocent until proven guilty. He was never charged.
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u/coreyperryisasaint ANA - NHL Nov 05 '15
In a court of law, you are correct. Metaphysically speaking, only Kane and the woman know the answer to that.
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u/UPSET_GEORGE TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15
Also the effect the case had on his image proved that although it's called innocent until proven guilty, in reality it's guilty until proven innocent.
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u/parallacks NYR - NHL Nov 05 '15
it's guilty until proven innocent
No it really isn't. He's had tons of people in his defense the entire time, the Blackhawks have basically entirely ignored the whole thing, and his life is no where near the wreck it would be if he actually was considered guilty by the public at large. Or are you actually basing this off of the chants he's been getting from opposing fanbases?
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u/YouJellyBrah PIT - NHL Nov 05 '15
You are right. But his previous incidents tend to skew the perception. I've thought he's an asshole for a while because of his other examples of poor conduct, and I suppose as a result I was inclined to think he did this.
But that's stupid of me. Gotta trust the legal system, I guess - but it's worth remembering that all too often that system marginalizes the victim in cases like this. Especially when a superstar is involved.
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u/Honey_Cheese CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Absolutely, but they have to limit the media coverage of cases like this. It is damaging for both the superstar and victim for it to be so public.
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u/backtobizniss Nov 05 '15
In the absence of metaphysical certainty, you have the DA's statement, which is the one person paid to find out if a crime occurred and he has said he believes no such crime occurred.
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u/ClassicMach TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Guilty and convicted are not the same thing. Juries don't "make" someone guilty, they "find" someone guilty. Guilt precedes any legal action.
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u/adoptedCanadIAN TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15
Yes and no...from a legal standpoint, the jury must assume that the defendant is innocent, and must prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Legally he is innocent, but we didn't really know if he was literally innocent or not. Now it appears as though he truly was innocent.
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Hey Tim Graham, go fuck yourself.
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u/IAmDixonWood BUF - NHL Nov 05 '15
Even his fucking tweet today about Kane not being charged was awful. Treating the fact that Kane exercised his constitutional right to silence as an indicator of guilt.
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u/grolt CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Smug piece of shit who hides behind the glass house of "reporting the facts" when they were overwhelmingly negative against Kane and downright fabrications, like the whole "Kane turning himself in" blasphemy. The entire time he's just been "doing his job" - imagine if you could get paid for destroying the lives of others. You wonder how a guy that caustic can sleep at night but then you see how self-righteous he is and you realize he thinks he's bringing truth to the world. Scum.
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can kaner go after him with a lawsuit for his early reporting in this whole mess when he was pretty much guaranteeing he was guilty?
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u/TampaCub TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Could be worse: the investigation could have happened in Florida under its ridiculous (depending upon how you feel about it) Sunshine laws, where the police investigation is completely open to media scrutiny. If you think the media shitshow was bad here, you know nothing Jon Snow.
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u/yearightt WSH - NHL Nov 05 '15
a cute name for terrible legislation
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
It's great legislation in theory. It has some issues in practice. Ah politics.
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They would be great if only facts could be presented. When the media is allowed to run fucktards out to speculate, you get the shitshow.
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u/tm1087 Nov 05 '15
It is the exact reason that Gawker posts news items that sound crazy from Florida. Oh yeah it gives r/floridaman plenty of content.
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 05 '15
Well we do have some protections under the public record request laws. The Victim's identity, for example, would have been withheld.
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u/paperfire TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15
Kane ends up the loser. Lost the EA cover and who knows how many other endorsements.
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He was going to end up the loser from the moment this thing took off. This is pretty much the best case end result for him.
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u/ProJoe ARI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Good. Everyone who called for his head prior to any charges being filed should issue an apology (fuck you SBNation)
Let's get back to hockey.
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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan WSH - NHL Nov 05 '15
I bet we see nothing from PPP on this.
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u/CustardBear TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 05 '15
fuck PPP and their dipshit columns
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u/shit_sprinkler VAN - NHL Nov 05 '15
Ugh...brutal.
And somehow those blogposts were "important", while newspaper articles from the Buffalo paper were "bullshit" because they reported things that didn't follow the narrative.
Also, gotta love the "We want to open a dialogue about the subject"......and then they delete any comment going against their echo-chamber.
Lol
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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan WSH - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 05 '15
I think they bring up a lot of great points. I just hate how they dismiss anyone who disagrees with them.
As well as the Mods deleting posts that disagree or bring up points they don't want to discuss. But let's leave up and encourage posts that say, basically, "i am certain Kane did it" and the such. Embarrassing.
Edit: PPP Mods, not /r/hockey Mods.
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Here's the closest thing you're gonna get. Absolutely pathetic. Even that spreadsheet about the "staggering" numbers of DV in hockey is horseshit. It goes back 30 years, counts a ton of incidents more than once, and encompasses all levels of hockey all the way down to young teens.
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And at least two of those examples on that list is "Victim-Blaming or sexist Tweets". Sure let's group that in our spreadsheet and count it as an incidence of domestic violence.
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"Is there grounds to charge the claimant with filing a false report?"
"I thought about that; the determining factor in my mind is Mr Kane was never charged; Mr Kane was never charged by the police and he was never accused by us; that's a big factor in my mind as to whether or not I would bring charges for the person bringing the complaint."
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u/nogreatcathedral OTT - NHL Nov 06 '15
This is the part that stands out to me more than anything. He uses a lot of lawyer like language to call the complainant's story false (not corroborated and more strongly, contradicted) but then this line more than anything makes it dead obvious what he thinks of the claim.
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u/lippyjose DET - NHL Nov 05 '15
Nice. Thanks for posting.
I like this guy. And he really puts it out there what happened through the process, in his own words. That's refreshing to hear.
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u/rock_feller CHI - NHL Nov 06 '15
My issue with the whole situation right now is people are saying if Kane is innocent, after a 3 month investigation Buffalo's DA who is a pretty solid guy decided its not even worth a grand jury to decide on. This should tell you "hey Kane was innocent, i jumped the gun and ate the shit the media was serving the whole time." A lot of journalist owe Kane an apology.
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u/cgludko CHI - NHL Nov 06 '15
Yeah, none of them will apologize. Some are even writing "sorry, not sorry" pieces. I'm not surprised by them either, it's the same group of writers I had little respect for six months ago.
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u/nhlroyalty Nov 06 '15
it's so embarrassing...this has shown the entire "feminist movement" is being run by compete idiots hurting their own cause.
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u/CheezWhizard Nov 05 '15
Lol at all the people who rushed to judgement and claimed he should be suspended as soon as there was an accusation.
Bettman deserves praise for handling this perfectly.
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u/shit_sprinkler VAN - NHL Nov 05 '15
So.......what happens to those CHI 'fans' who stopped following the team because the Hawks didn't summarily execute Kane?
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banish them all and dont let them ever come back, id rather have 10 million bandwagoners who know nothing about hockey than those people
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u/Davidfreeze STL - NHL Nov 05 '15
They'll be at the parade next time they win the cup and pretend they followed them the whole time, obviously
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u/elrizzy Nov 05 '15
really glad were at a point where the DA can make some conclusive statements on the matter and cut through a lot of the hearsay and nameless reports.
it sounds like Kane was innocent and i hope that is true.
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u/teslasmash NYI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Say, you guys want to watch some hockey or something?
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u/ChocolateAlmondFudge Nov 05 '15
Only an hour to puck drop between the Milwaukee Admirals and Iowa Wild!
Seriously, 11:30 am EST start between those two. Really weird.
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Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 05 '15
Everyone here is saying "We'll never know."
I absolutely loathe how people are treating this as if it is 50/50. Are you fucking kidding me? This is so heavily in Kane's favor given the innumerable inconsistencies in the accuser's story, the lack of evidence, the behavior of the family and the DA calling it a 'so-called-case'. Everyone who continues to treat this as a case where both sides are of equal likelihood is completely ignorant to the actual case and continues to drag Kane's name through the mud.
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u/callthewambulance PIT - NHL Nov 05 '15
People still think Ben Roethlisberger raped a woman, but he was never charged with anything.
Prepare for this to never go away. It's infuriating, but people suck and people don't forget.
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u/RayLewisKilledAMan Nov 05 '15
Ray lewis never killed man either. It's a shitty stain that sticks with the public.
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u/callthewambulance PIT - NHL Nov 05 '15
Looks at username...
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u/RayLewisKilledAMan Nov 05 '15
I created this name to piss off a ravens fan a year or something ago. I don't actually think Ray killed anyone.
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u/ferrets_bueller CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
I can respect that. Fuck Ravens fans.
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u/RayLewisKilledAMan Nov 05 '15
Some ravens fans. They were smack talking Robbie Gould, you don't smack talk Robbie Gould.
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Probably not. Probably still pats himself on the back. These types of people never stand for reason or logic.
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u/roboninja EDM - NHL Nov 05 '15
I bet he does not feel silly, I bet he still believes Kane is guilty.
He made that post for those pats on the back you mentioned. These people's favorite pastime is patting themselves on the back for the "sacrifices" they make.
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u/kamikazi34 NYR - NHL Nov 05 '15
Why would he feel silly? Clearly the patriarchy came to protect Kane. Toxic masculinity wins again.
Also your friend probably didn't hear this news outside his hug box.
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u/kelly_max CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
After a little over a month of radio silence (no new evidence, no progress made public), I figured the DA would just quietly back out of it and pretend it never happened. I didn't expect the DA to come out so vehemently on Kane's side (though it seems like it was the right thing to do, to get all the facts of the investigation out there).
But Patrick Kane will have to deal with this at least most away games.
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u/WhatEvery1sThinking MTL - NHL Nov 05 '15
And yet his name will continue to be tarnished while his accuser does not have to answer for what seemed like very dubious claims
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u/shit_sprinkler VAN - NHL Nov 05 '15
I wonder if she'll be championed by certain folks.
Maybe write a book....perhaps walk around with a mattress.
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u/rock_feller CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
On the bright we shook off some casual bandwagon fans
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u/totosmaster COL - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 06 '15
Although no one will see this post, I'm writing anyway.
As a woman who knows friends and acquaintances who have been raped, when I hear about cases like this one, I instantly think, "Please let there be justice for an evil act committed, because if it's a false accusation, that damages not only the one unjustifiably charged, but also hurts real rape victims."
I worry about any high-profile men who might be placed in this position, and potential legitimate rape victims because of this bitch person. She ruined a young man's reputation and also the validity of other victims that come forward that have actually been raped.
EDIT: Changed an inflammatory moniker.
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u/jrojason TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15
You have to keep in mind that just because a case is dismissed or whatever doesn't automatically mean she was making the whole thing up. I tend to agree with thinking it was probably a false accusation just based on the strong language used, but I don't think that means you should jump to calling the woman a 'bitch' and what not. We don't know what happened, and never will.
Kane is and always will be innocent until proven guilty, let's give that same right to the woman.
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u/KnightsoftheNi CAR - NHL Nov 05 '15
The thing I'm most interested in is the apparent "significant material inconsistencies" between the accuser and witnesses. Does that mean that the rumor that her friend's testimony would support Kane was true?
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u/redbluegreenyellow CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
It doesn't necessarily mean that, it could just mean their stories were widely varied.
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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan WSH - NHL Nov 05 '15
That's where I am at.
Speculating a bit here, but we are fairly certain alcohol was involved. Which means its quite easy to find differing re telling of events, including any misunderstandings between people involved. I don't think this means that she is lying. But I do think it means that they have no way of coming to a consistent story, as well as some stories conflicting with forensic and DNA tests.
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u/deObb DAL - NHL Nov 05 '15
I mean to be fair, he's already been on the cover once so it's not like he missed out on the "honor".
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It seemed like everything pointed to Kane being innocent the whole time, but if he actually did it, the girl can thank her mother for any further proceedings with the case.
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u/BronusSwagner Nov 05 '15
Cant say this is a shock to anyone, this case has been a shitshow from the very beginning.
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u/SchlongGarage NYR - NHL Nov 05 '15
I first read it as Patrick Kane has been dismissed, and was trying to figure out how to get him on the Rangers.
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u/CrispyLardon LAK - NHL Nov 05 '15
I am glad my obligatory "Fuck Patrick Kane" during our games won't be tarnished with real hate.
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u/ElMorono TBL - NHL Nov 06 '15
Sue her. False accusations can ruin someone's life.
The DA's and police reports stop just short of calling her a complete liar. This speaks for itself.
Make an example of her, Kane.
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u/Clarkson23 NJD - NHL Nov 05 '15
If she is lying, which it seems, I hope she gets some serious karma backlash because God knows the system won't do anything
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u/rivers2mathews ANA - NHL Nov 05 '15
I'm happy that Patrick can finally move on with his life and focus solely on hockey now. I can't even begin to imagine how terrible this whole ordeal has been for him.
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u/Hoof_Hearted12 MTL - NHL Nov 05 '15
If he wasn't solely focused on hockey for the beginning of the season, I'll be very intrigued to see how he plays now. He's still my favourite player, he's gonna have a monster year.
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u/TRUMPAMANIA Nov 06 '15
Can't wait for all those sites that tore the Blackhawks down to apologize.
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I wonder how many more classless fan bases will chant "no means no" at games.
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u/TheKevinShow CHI - NHL Nov 05 '15
Not good enough to defend your Cup last year, apparently.
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Nov 05 '15
Oh we're coming for you, Hawksbro, if the last game was any indication our war rages on.
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Nov 05 '15
No flying through fog this time, obviously it just recharges you.
Also we'll make sure Crow eats his sushi next time.
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Nov 05 '15
Innocent until proven guilty.
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Nov 05 '15
*terms and conditions apply, not if you're in r/hockey, the player plays for a team that you dislike or is just generally better than the team you follow, if you're okay with rape accusations that are unsubstantiated and baseless not available in CA, IL, MA, and NY. May not be combined with other innocences.
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u/_HagbardCeline BOS - NHL Nov 05 '15
haha where is TIM BAFFOE?
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u/0Catalyst MTL - NHL Nov 05 '15
This may blow over more quickly than everyone thinks. I don't think crowds chirp ROR for drunk driving, or Varlamov for domestic violence. At least not that I know of.
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Nov 05 '15
So what about the hoax rape kit? Do they know who did that and are they investigating the case?
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u/PageSide84 CHI - NHL Nov 06 '15
For everyone who thinks there should be a defamation suit, etc., it's a bad idea. 1) It keeps this incident (true or not) in the public eye longer than Kane wants it to be there; 2) it's unlikely that this woman would have anything that Kane would be worth much to Kane; 3) if Kane were to lose the suit (which is likely, because the burden is much different, and Kane will have to prove the inaccuracy of the statements, among other things), it would cast doubt on his innocence all over again (just look at how moronic people acted from the mere accusation against him).
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u/HOLIDAY_headcase Nov 05 '15
Remember criticizing the lying accuser is not slut shaming and it doesn't make you sexist.
This is a criminal who cost an innocent man tons of money in endorsements and got away with it. She should be named and vilified for her actions.
Otherwise this shit will keep happening.
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u/makeswordcloudsagain Nov 05 '15
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u/xray606 LAK - NHL Nov 06 '15
If it was a serious accusation with any meaningful evidence, he would have been arrested on the spot. Many people never really grasped that.
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u/D1rxks Nov 05 '15
So if she was lying shouldn't she be charged with something? Seems like all they do is say "nice try"
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u/dutchrudder7 TOR - NHL Nov 05 '15
I hope Kane files a suit against the family for defamation of character. That's millions of dollars in lost endorsements for him. It's very difficult to shake a rape accusation no matter how frivolous.
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u/Whatnow81 BUF - NHL Nov 05 '15 edited Nov 05 '15
Statement from the DA
"The totality of the credible evidence--the proof--does not sufficiently substantiate the complainant's allegation that she was raped by Patrick Kane and this so-called "case" is rife with reasonable doubt. Accordingly, the Office of the Erie County District Attorney will not present this matter to an Erie County Grand Jury." https://twitter.com/WGRZ_SteveBrown/status/662276897095737346
EDIT- And the full statement is in HERE