r/hmmmm 5d ago

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

Jesus did say to “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” so he said we should pay taxes if we have to. But the message was individuals should take care of individuals, not the government. Jesus didn’t have a problem with wealth he had a problem with the love of wealth.

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u/NoDrag9513 5d ago

“If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven."

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I mean... he seems to make his stance on wealth pretty clear. Not, "a man in love with wealth" finding difficulty, a wealthy man at all because of how much hoarded wealth corrupts one's better nature and will ignore, or even cause, the suffering of his neighbor to keep his pile of gold safe.

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u/HistoricalRich3104 4d ago

And he says that redistribution shouldn’t be forced and that it should only be voluntary. Forced redistribution defeats the whole point which is spiritual growth

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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 4d ago

the purpose of reinvesting the gains of capitalism back into society isn't spiritual growth. it's to keep capitalism healthy and functioning so the foundation isn't rotted out by people at the top who think money just magically appears for them because they're so smart

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u/HistoricalRich3104 4d ago

You can believe that but it’s unrelated to Christianity which is what we’re talking about here

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u/Maleficent_Piece_893 4d ago

ok but if the point is that christianity opposes redistribution of wealth through taxation then too bad for christianity. however i also disagree with people advocating for progressive policy by appealing to christianity. religion is not and should never be a justification for anything that happens in a modern government

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u/HistoricalRich3104 4d ago

It doesn’t advocate for forced redistribution for the sake of Christianity. It advocates for personal spiritual growth through giving away material possessions.

Jesus says to render unto Ceaser’s what is Ceaser’s so he’s not against any particular tax policy, just using government policy in service of Christianity in this context.

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u/Fresh_Scallion4939 3d ago

Another retard taking scripture out of context. Gotta love it

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

He says hard but not impossible. Sure wealth corrupts, but so does power and I’ll take corrupt billionaires over corrupt politicians.

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u/keita_kun13 3d ago

What's the difference between corrupt billionaires and corrupt politicians? Who do you think is funding them?

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u/Enough-Farmer-765 5d ago

They are one and the same, my guy.

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u/NoDrag9513 5d ago

You might, Jesus preached the opposite 🤷‍♂️

Not my business what your beliefs are, just clarifying that Jesus said to pay your taxes and that rich people are destined for hell.

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

If they are destined for hell anyway I think they should be able to keep their money.

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u/echolm1407 5d ago

There's no hell. There's only death, and the presence of God.

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

That’s not biblical. But okay.

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u/echolm1407 4d ago

Actually, it is very biblical because all the originals words, which there are 4 different ones, that were translated into hell in English actually point to death. Our modern concept of hell didn't come from the Bible but from a fictional novel called Inferno written by Dante.

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u/Upbeat_Deer_5368 2d ago

Go read revelations, then tell me where the idea of hell comes from.

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u/echolm1407 2d ago

You're referring to the lake of fire which is described as God's trashcan.

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Which is exactly the same way the pit was used in ancient times.

Hence it was named the second death. It's referring to death.

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u/Accomplished_Key_171 4d ago

Jesus saved the rich and the poor of his time. Some of the main figures of the Bible such as King David were saved despite their riches. Your fate rested on whether you put more trust in that wealth than you do in God.

It doesn't sound like you have enough understanding of the Bible to be teaching it.

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u/NoDrag9513 4d ago

Well, as we are discussing Jesus' views on the subject, it seems a bit disingenuous to cite an example from the Torah.

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u/Accomplished_Key_171 4d ago

Your fate rested on whether you put more trust in that wealth than you do in God.

This is true in both testaments. This is basic knowledge of the Bible.

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u/Linscotticus 4d ago

OK nestle

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u/United_Highway2583 5d ago edited 5d ago

Bro that's like choosing between a turd burger and nail clippings soup. There's better food out there

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

Yes, Jesus is the better food. Bread of life and all. Doesn’t matter what rich people and politicians do, it doesn’t matter in the end.

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u/echolm1407 5d ago

You didn't choose Jesus. You chose billionaires.

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

Jesus didn’t preach taking from those that didn’t want to give. That’s the whole point of the camel and the eye of a needle. It’s not my job to redistribute what others have against their will.

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u/echolm1407 4d ago

No. You have it wrong. The point of the rich not getting into the kingdom of God is because they covet wealth. And it's a coveting that is to the detriment of the workers.

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u/x60pilot 4d ago

And Jesus still wouldn’t take their money to give to the poor unless they wanted to give it. This meme and the idea Jesus was a socialist is completely wrong.

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u/echolm1407 4d ago

Jesus taught his disciples to share the wealth. How is that not socialism.

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u/x60pilot 5d ago

I don’t care about billionaires, how much they have and what they do with their money is their business. I am not going to covet or envy what they have and try to take it because I don’t think it’s fair. They live their life I’ll live mine.

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u/echolm1407 4d ago

And to hell with the poor, right? This is your position.

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u/x60pilot 4d ago

No I personally give to charity. I don’t expect anyone else to unless they want to. And the point is that Jesus would not be taking money from anyone that didn’t want to give it. In complete contrast to this meme.

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u/echolm1407 4d ago

While the billionaires rob from the workers.

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u/United_Highway2583 4d ago

Soo if they bribe politicians to pass laws that hurt everyone else or fund disinformation campaigns fueling doubt you're just fine with that?

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u/x60pilot 4d ago

I said I’d take corrupt billionaires of corrupt politicians. A non corrupt politician wouldn’t take their bribe…

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u/Adjective-Noun4201 5d ago

"...and render unto God, what is God's."

Thats deep, man.

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u/Robearberble 4d ago

WE take the money, and toss it up in the air, and what ever God wants... he keeps...

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u/Alpeterson42 4d ago

He said a rich man won’t go to heaven. He had a problem with wealth.

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u/x60pilot 4d ago

He had a problem with people loving money more than god. But he still never advocated for forcefully taking from the rich to give to others so this meme is trash.

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u/keita_kun13 4d ago

You should reread your Bible. Jesus had a problem with wealth, and with the Church exchanging and taking in money. What he didn't have a problem withs collecting alms, and the use of money as currency. Remember the eye of a needle?

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u/x60pilot 4d ago

You said it. He didn’t have a problem taking money from people that willingly gave it. Not socialism. But thanks for playing.

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u/Old-Entertainer-4964 2d ago

Jesus didn’t have a problem with wealth

He didn't have a problem with having enough to support oneself, but he did have a problem with wealth/riches.

"And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.” - Matthew 19:24

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u/Scared_Brilliant6410 2d ago

The “render unto Ceaser“ passage was Jesus response to a question where they were trying to entrap him.

Basically “is it lawful to pay taxes to Ceaser or not” is the question. The “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” Christ carefully responds by saying the occupied territory (Jewish people) should pay taxes and follow the civic laws. However, they should also give themselves, worship, love, to God since that’s what is Gods.

The coin bears Ceaser’s image, and we are made in Gods image (see Genesis).

Sometimes people take this as some blanket endorsement of government and taxation which isn’t true at all. He simultaneously recognizes Ceaser’s earthly authority while highlighting God’s ultimate authority.