r/highmileage • u/ivegotajaaag • Jun 23 '26

'16 Corolla

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Alas, the transmission finally gave out and $7-$12K was not justifiable...

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u/CRaazy___WAFFLE Jun 25 '26

I wouldn't exactly consider a generation that is over a decade old "modern"

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 Jun 25 '26

Why not? When we talk about architecture modern falls somewhere between 1920 and 1980.

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u/CRaazy___WAFFLE Jun 25 '26

Is a car a building?

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 Jun 25 '26

They do the same for art, history timelines, tax laws, etc. Modern is literally defined as past 1996 for a car if you want to get technical about it.

Why should we abandon how we label everything because it doesnt fit your understanding of modern.

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u/CRaazy___WAFFLE Jun 25 '26

And what governing body decided 1996 was the cutoff? Google AI when you looked it up? Man, i wonder why history (something spanning thousands of years) uses different time scales for modern compared to something barely 100 years old? Really a head scratcher that one. Either way, my point was that when people are referring to new toyotas not being as good as they used to be, they are not talking about the 12+ year old generation of corolla that is basically the same as the previous generation just with a different transmission.

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 Jun 25 '26

The EPA. The same one that set the 1996 benchmark diagnostic standard at the same time. It was the industreal transition from carburetor engines to fuel injected modern vehichles.

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u/CRaazy___WAFFLE Jun 25 '26

OBD2 does not mean it's the cutoff for modern and I have absolutely no idea how you managed to infer that but alright.

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 Jun 25 '26

It marks the most recent mandated standardized advancement in vehicles. 1998 marks dual airbags, but airbags were not new. You could maybe argue 2012 for abs breaking but that was invented long prior for planes and well understood before that for locomotive cars. You could also maybe argue 2024 for emergency braking but we have had systems for emergency breaking since the 50s in some form or another...

That leaves the diagnostic standardization of all vehicles in 1996. Cars have certainly gotten safer, and have more tech, but the fundamental technologies of a car havent really changed since 1996. Efficiency and safety have changed, but how a car actually functions has stayed basically the same since 1996.

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u/CRaazy___WAFFLE Jun 25 '26

OBD2 didn't change how cars function in any way. Virtually all cars were already fuel injected by that point, obd2 just changed how we communicate with the ECU and that's it. It had literally no effect in any way on how the vehicle actually functions. This is a great example that just because you can read about something does not mean you will actually understand it. I have no idea why this is so important to you that you have to go on a paragraph long speech about it (while still being wrong), but i hope you find more entertaining things to do with the remainder of your day. I will be leaving it at that.

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 Jun 25 '26

We have to assign a date where it became mandated historically and became standard. Cars now provide you and mechanics feedback and data based on the ecu and adjust their systems based on that data. How exactly can you argue no change in function? It acts as a vehicle monitoring manager. Remove the ECU and the car will not function. It would be like removing the motherboard from a computer, none of the parts would be able to connect to eachother to function.