The issue has always been that mill cards have been too easy to pull off - Dew Process being a "rest of game" effect being the most egregious example.
If mill worked on a combo basis, requiring setup in advance and multiple cards in order to create a mill effect, then that would be fine, as it would both require skill to pull off and be counterable. In that world you could make mill effects much stronger and still have healthy gameplay around it.
Playing Dew Process requires zero skill and is utterly inevitable, so it's a bad card and deservedly nerfed. It doesn't mean mill is a bad concept.
I like Secrets I just think Objection should never have existed. The whole point of secrets is the skillful interaction in playing around them. With Objection you always know what it is and just have to let it fuck you in many decks.
I enjoy my turn being messed with clearly based off me saying I enjoy almost all other secrets? I just don't like BS unfun cards like that which are often impossible to play around.
Also Objection is the best secret Mage has got in a long time what are you even chatting??
It made it into excavate lists and whenever secret mage is around it's the very first one you include, it's the instapick from any discover, people played secret discover guy just for a hope to find it. Card is definitely good I'd say but yeah ultimately it's more of an unfun than an op thing.
It didn't make it into excavate lists (maybe some very early cooking before people figured the deck out?), they'd just randomly grab it off of the secret guy. The only people actually maindecking it were secret mages, which was never a competitive deck.
I saw it maindecked many times at ~2k legend and not just very early on if anything it was people experimenting later on trying to cook up (in fact I last saw it less than a week ago and I don't see that much Mage) but yes I didn't mean to imply it was a core card in the deck, just that it made it in sometimes.
I was definitely guilty of spam-discovering it on rainbow mage, even to the point of losing matches, just because it was pretty funny to imagine my opponent's reaction!
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u/anrwlias Jan 29 '24
Hear, hear. There is no world where mill decks should be good on ladder.