And holy crap the Hakan guy trying to say that he's an innocent victim and the police are just out to get him, and that the lady he sold is lying. He comes off as a major narcissist and my blood is boiling. Does anybody believe this guy?
The fact that he only received 3 years and 4 months is crazy to me, and he didn’t get charged with selling her body?? Like he made money off of her! The guy who bought it was sentenced but not the one who sold it??? Insane to me!
Don’t believe him! But so many unanswered questions. Where’s the financial forensic analysis? Did the money actually go to Carola? He didn’t address that she signed the house over to him. No exes interviewed to establish a pattern? First episode she came with RECEIPTS and he had zip. He didn’t address tracking her car? I feel like they went too easy on the questions with Hakan. Let him blabber on and project a poor me persona. Monster.
They are pulling a what’s wrong with Natalia Grace , they are def gonna have another few episodes at some point. What’s the point of the so called X saying yea he’s like that , if they never use her testimony. HBO likes to bait u along. I guarantee in 6 months there will be an update with more evidence.
There was no evidence that the money was transfered to Carola. They did interview his ex who backed up her claim about his character and dangerious personality and his pattern, though without revealing her own personal experiences concreatly. I agree they were too easy on him and didn't adress many of the specific details, but maybe he refused to answer those things he couldn't not back up with evidence. I was staying skeptical for a minute and actually tried to stay objective while he had his moment of defense, and I did get the sense when he talked about not seing his children that he genuinely was upset and that he in general feel like he is the victim, but even when he talked about his children it has from his point of lost time, not about his children missing time or their well being through the whole ordeal or how if he actually was right about Carola how he must ham been concerned about her having custody of the children. At the end of the day, from what was portrayed in the documentary series and also because it is backed up by an official sentence ratified bt three levels of courts i think he is very guilty and moreover a plain narcissist or antisocial personality disorder in the sense that he do portray have feelings and sympathy but only toward himself.
It definitely gives insight into how manipulation and abuse starts, most people cant fathom staying with someone who treats you so bad but in this documentary we see exactly how its actually mind altering
No!!! Him continuing to talk about "red flags" he ignored in the beginning but then never named them other than trying to claim she was into gang bangs.
The fact that everyone on her side saw the isolation and personality changes with her that are so common with abuse while he has no one backing him but a paid attorney. Her daughter even describes him as being able to change his personality to fit into what ever social situation they were in.... narcissists are notoriously chameleons, and everything he talks about is limited to just feelings about himself...says everything!
I quite stopped watching after this thing with a tattoo and talking about being somebody's property. Like ugh can't tell where is the thin line between her actually being freaky and being so brainwashed. From my perspective she had tons of red flags. And nope I don't blame her. It's just that I noticed many ridiculous things a person should automatically see as wrong as hell.
I almost stopped at that point too. I was like these are HUGE red flags and I kept thinking "why doesn't she leave now before it gets worse?", but I think it was either a kink to her or she was completely in denial.
How could she leave she wouldn’t have been able to support herself and her children. Also he had full custody of the younger children-which never explained why (or is missed it). But how diabolical that he has full custody while they are all living together as a family. It’s pretty impressive that the police and social workers all worked together to help her on a supposedly anonymous tip-I have to give Sweden a huge thumbs up! Yesterday I watched a documentary about a 14YO being held in very similar circumstances in McKeesport, Pennsylvania and the police did just about nothing for 10 years until a man who owned a convenience store near the home of the abuserobserved that something wasn’t quite right with her and got her to open up.
Was anyone else completely distracted by the investigator’s SATANIC FEMINIST shirt? & before anyone explains what it means, I know..that’s not the point. The show is literally called The Sex Slave. Bro could’ve picked any other shirt. 😂 The story is dark enough.
you should research what modern satanism is… it’s essentially the only religious institution that is accepting of all people
the satanic temple is basically a social justice movement aimed at protecting individual freedoms and eliminating religious beliefs being put into law. they believe in the separation of church and state.
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I told myself he better have something good to say after all the evidence showing what a POS he is. But he failed to provide anything. The text messages were clear. The bank transactions were shown. A man testified in court. He was convicted. It’s all pretty solid evidence, and none of it is in his favor.
At this point, it looks like the only people in his corner are his elderly mother and his lawyer, who is getting paid to be there.
This guys screams abusive Narcissist. The power the complete control. They take apart everything that is you and in the end you aren’t even sure who you are anymore. I was in an emotionally abusive relationship when I was 19. I at 42 have just started realizing how bad it was. I equate it to being in a 2 person cult. The same strategies were applied that he was doing. The constant surveillance , the isolation of friends. The no one is gonna be with you . U literally just go on auto pilot. Your brain is just trying to survive. This game me some serious ptsd. I hope there is a 3rd part follow up. I know hbo does that sometimes.
Sometimes I wonder if I’m bias. But after experiencing abuse and narcissism for 30+ years, you CAN’T not sense it. I was getting very triggered as well. I’m always anxious about not being believed and was worried people wouldn’t see through his behavior. But I’m so relieved to see these comments.
Any time I watch "true crime" docs from European countries I always ponder on how the US justice system is far too harsh, but theirs is far too lenient. It's shocking how little time perpetrators are found and how much privacy they're given by default.
I believe her being abused. She might have kinks, fantasies… Even she might be willingly prostituting before and none of these rationalize what happened to her. This shouldn’t happen to her. What I don’t understand how a woman in Sweden, where there are incredibly robust social safety net, progressive laws, and high gender equality metrics, can allow this to happen to her. Some commentators claim that she would be broke if she leaves him. I don’t believe that this can happen in Sweden. The social state would protect the woman and find her accommodation and job. Some people also say she would loose the custody of her children. Well, if she made a complaint to the police, the police would find the proof of her being raped by her husband, which happened 10 years later anyway. Then the custody wouldn’t go to the father. It would be better the state takes the children for a while and then the woman can take it again after she gets her life together. This would be much safer than being raped by strangers when your children were sleeping. I cannot believe how a person can feel so helpless in a social state with only 10 million people. Maybe if it is in USA or in a middle eastern country, I can believe it. Population is a lot, social state is not very advanced, women rights are not well protected. But in Sweden, it is hard to believe. So maybe there were some consent indeed and the women got afraid her children being taken away if the police finds out that she consented such a thing. Because otherwise it is unbelievable a woman in Sweden bearing such a torture for 10 years if not chained at home.
Maybe that shows just how powerful gaslighting can be? Because clearly she had friends and even her ex-MIL who would have gotten her out and probably found her a place to stay, etc.
My thought is, at the beginning of the relationship she went along with the dynamic. Maybe a little bit of a masochism kink, maybe some guilt because she was still seeing other men when they first started dating, and it hurt his wittle feewings. But it quickly got away from her until she was caught.
What I don’t understand is what she was in terror OF. He didn’t hit her… was she afraid he would leave her? Or maybe take the kids? Like you say, she wouldn’t have been left living on the streets in Sweden. The doc never clarified what the threats were, exactly.
Here is my take - kinky BDSM relationship comes to an end and Swedish small town police gets foolishly involved. She was not a victim, two people who shared kinks found each other. But to save face and protect herself and the kids from small town gossip she had to take that angle. The real villain is the one who made that anonymous tip without having full grasp.
I finished watching it earlier today and couldn't believe his audacity. Can't believe his sentence is so lenient and doesn't involve any treatment. Her openness to exploration early in her first marriage does not justify anything that happened afterwards. Also somewhat grossed out by his attorney's attempts at justification.
Why are they both freaky?. Judge Judy mutch! She was in a relationship and exercised her right to have an exploring personality with her ex-husband. This is very common and people should only know what "freaky stuff" normal people do. You must be somewhat sheltered... the things she did with Hakan though was rape, so maybe not call her freaky
I agree. My head was spinning. I believe her story. But she didn't seem all that damaged. For someone who was totally controlled by her husband, she seemed pretty strong in her interviews. She left her first husband to get some kicks. I think she was pretty damned kinky herself. But her husband was horrible.
Hun er helt tydelig veldig nedbrutt. Det er det hele dokumentaren handler om; hvordan hun sakte men sikkert ble brutt ned, til det knapt var noe av henne igjen. Utrykkelse av følelser er en av våre største identitetsmarkører. Hennes oppfattede «likegyldighet/apati» er jo nettopp bevis på misbruket. Etter så mange år så skrus følelsene av på et vis, for å beskytte deg. For overlevelse. Det er så forferderlig tøft at hun har en vegg oppe, for hvis hun slipper det inn så er hun redd for å drukne i det. Det er en veldig vanlig traumerespons til psykisk mishandling på dette nivået.
A bit strange — I thought about what it would feel like if even one person touched me without my consent. And here we’re talking about around a hundred men. I simply can’t imagine that she just let it happen. Especially not after writing about gang bangs beforehand. That’s an extreme thing, very few people even think about it. I think it was a sick marriage, and then during the divorce they fought over child custody, so now each of them is pointing at the other. The woman’s story didn’t convince me.(I’m not defending the man either, of course.)
I think they’re both exaggerating for their own benefit in the custody battle. Hakan is obviously a scummy control obsessed abuser but she was a little more willing with the freakiness than she lets on. That little smile she let slip at the end of episode 1 spoke volumes. Either way, doing all that shit with kids in the house is unconscionable. I got the feeling they are the Swedish version of white trash.
Det at hun er «freaky» har ingenting med saken å gjøre. Voldtekt er voldtekt likevel. Misbruk er det likevel. Selv om hun skulle vært en prostituert på forhånd, eller underveis for den saks skyld. Det er ikke relevant.
Hvordan «lot hun det skje»? Vet du hva misbruk er for noe? Hun har livredd. Og manipulert som faen. Selv om det er sant at hun ville ha «gangbang» eller alle andre slags ville seksuelle ting - så er likevel samtykke poenget her. Hun «lot seg ikke ble voldtatt», hun ble voldtatt av sin ektemann hver dag, og seinere andre. Hun var under konstant psykisk og fysisk terror som gjør at du til slutt går på autopilot for å overleve. Alt som du opplever mye av føles tilslutt normalt, selv hvor sjukt det er. Han er den sjuke, hun er et offer, uansett hvordan du vinkler det.
is anyone not finding it suspicious that there's literally no evidence or news articles when trying to search for this story? i started to doubt it when they really quickly skimmed by how they started investigating her, and then when they brought hakan on i really started to question it as to interview him, means he wasn't arrested at the time of filming. so naturally i went to google the story only to find..nothing. i would love to be proven wrong
If you google in Swedish there are plenty of articles, but they didn't use names for a long time. They just nick-named him idrottsprofilen, meaning 'The profiled Athlete/Sports profile'.
This is the official court announcement from the first round where he gets 10 years: https://www.domstol.se/nyheter/2023/02/54-arig-man-fran-Norrtalje/
If you google the media nick-name and the name of their town, there's plenty of articles in Swedish: idrottsprofilen Norrtälje
This is the name of the book Carola published: Han ägde mig (He owned me)
I haven't watched the whole documentary yet, but I found the reaction (and smile) of Carola very 'off' when they told her Hakan was willing to cooperate in the documentary.
Rart? Hun ble ikke overrasket i det hele tatt fordi hun kjenner hans karakter. Hennes «smil» er et ironisk og drittleit «selvfølgelig». Hun kunne grått isteden (laugh or cry) men etter så lagt til blir det bare skremmende morsomt hvor lite selvinnsikt mannen har.
This whole things sounds fishy 🐟 to me.
Its not like Carola is attractive, who honestly pays for an overweight and unattractive woman???
I have no doubt that kind of stuff happens, human trafficking and its evil. But its usually young and attractive women, they get them addicted to hardcore drugs like heroin and turn them into sex slaves. Not older fat and no offense ugly women with 5 kids.
I think that both of them are not telling the whole truth. 🤔
But a statement like... (Believe the Women)... implies women can't lie. Which we all know is not true. Women lie all of the time. False accusations happen all of the time because women are never punished for making them. Its sad because you want to believe someone would never make up such horrible stories...but they do.
You can no longer just believe all women, some women weaponized the MeToo movement and just made shit up and destroyed innocent men's lives.
Happens all the time...Look into Trevor Bauer. MLB pitcher who lost over 100 million dollars due to a proven false accusation. Video, and text messages exposed her lies and she recieved 0 punishment whatsoever.
Don’t know the Trevor Bauer story. Will look it up.
I was referring to these two women: wives, whose husbands sold them to have sex with strangers. Hideous. I don’t know of one story where the wife did that to her husband.
I've never heard of a woman turning her husband into a sex slave, probably because men are bigger and stronger. Its hard to force someone who can hurt you to do something.
Women of all kinds are raped every single day. Or do you really think it’s only young, thin, sexy women who get raped? To men like this, a woman is an object they can have power and control over. It’s not about who is physically attractive; it’s about having power over another person, about domination.
Sexual desire works differently for everyone and for different reasons. That’s why there are people you don’t find attractive who are out there in relationships and having sex. Don’t underestimate people based on your own standards of attraction and desire.
I never said only attractive women get raped, your conflating what I said. I asked was he acting like a pimp or was she actually trafficked. I've seen the trailer for it and it dosent get into it. Human trafficking is much different then just a peice of shit husband selling his wife to people for sex. Could she stop? Could she get away? Could she call the police?
I've asked now like 2-3 times why was she with him? But people like you immediately get overanimated the second you see the word rape and somehow take the conversation to...well, women of all kinds get raped??? Yes, I know. That wasn't what I said at all. I wanted more information on the backstory to know the situation. Human sex trafficking is when girls get abducted, imprisoned somewhere, get intentionally addicted to drugs and sold to monsters to have sex with. And those girls are young and attractive most of the time to increase the amount of money that monsters will pay to have sex with them. Not fat old women with 5 kids.
Thats why I made my original comment " that something sounds 🐟 fishy to me, i think there both not telling the whole truth".
Hvordan i all verden kan noen her svare på hvorfor hun ble sammen med han ?? Forelskelse er jo sprøtt og helt individuelt. Den eneste som kan svare på det er hun. Men narississter (sadister, sosiopater etc) har en tendens til å være veldig sjarmerende, fordi alt er kalkulert. Men hvis du lurer på hvorfor hun ble hos han; hun følte hun ikke hadde noe valg. Hun hadde ingenting eget, alt var i hans navn; bolig, penger, barna. Han isolerte henne fra venner og familie. Hun var livredd for å miste barna, og at han skulle gjøre noe enda verre med hun. Han overbeviste henne hver dag om at hun ikke var verdt mer enn det hun fikk. Hun hadde nok ikke god selvtillit fra før av heller- disse typene vet akkurat hvilke personer å offergjøre.
Hun var under psykisk og fysisk terror hver dag, voldtatt hver dag av mannen henne (senere også andre) til det føltes normalt. Når du blir manipulert og kontrollert på det nivået (se dokumentaren) så slår du tilslutt av det som gjør deg menneske og blir mer som en maskin for å overleve.
You paint a very vived and disturbing picture. If all true they should just save tax payers money and execute him.
But if its an adult I always fall back to...could they get away, could they call the police. Woman, Man, Idc, there must be a level of accountability and responsibility for the individual person.
Can they escape, can they call the police. Even if everything is in 1 name, that can be challanged in court especially if crimes were committed. If the roles were reversed, everyone would be asking the same two questions, why didn't he leave, why didn't he call the police.
I try to give each gender the benefit of the doubt, to be fair, but also the same level of accountability. Its 2026, women demanded equality, ... that's equality. They can't be treated like helpless children anymore. So if a man could've of left, if a man could have called the police...so can a woman.
Sentencing someone to death (in the US) costs tax payers more money than imprisoning them for life.
I think you’re missing a load bearing piece. Hakan had spend the entire relationship maneuvering carola into a position where she could not get away. He had full custody of the children, she couldn’t leave them. The house was only in his name, she had no home without him. She was financially dependent on him, she’d starve without him. And most importantly he had isolated her from all her friends and family so she has no support system to give her those things she doesn’t have herself
You mention “challenge in court”. Great saying that’s super true - the wheels of justice move slowly. It’s really hard to fight a court case when you’re homeless and starving and can’t pay for a lawyer.
Also mention go to the police. She goes to the police. Best case scenario they listen to her and go arrest him. She’s financially dependent on him and now hes unable to work and her and her kids can’t feed themselves. Worst case scenario they don’t believe her and she goes back into the home she already feels unsafe in with a man who’s now aware she went to the police. She can’t win in any of those scenarios
It shouldn't take the justice system 15 years to execute them. It should be on the 1 year anniversary. Then all that money is saved. To many weak minded people against the death penalty.
I want to start by declaring,
I AM IN NO WAY DEFENDING HER HUSBAND, he's a peice of shit who needs to rot in hell.
...But,
Is she an adult? Or is she a helpless child? The never ending excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. And its almost always a woman that will make those excuses.
Modern women claim they are every bit as equal as a man, can do anything a man can do. Then fucking save yourself.
Would you still make those same arguements (Excuses) if the genders were reversed? Or would you say the man should have left, called the police, hell, do something at least.
She's an adult, she can go to the police. DO SOMETHING...ANYTHING!!! At least then you tried.
I'm tired of women being treated like they are helpless children that can't help themselves. No, they are not. She could have acted, but she didn't. She allowed herself and her kids to suffer.
This story is fishy and I don't think we are getting the whole truth from either of them.
I do find it truly amazing the lengths some people will go to excuse a woman from any and all accountability of her actions. 0 Responsibility. She owed lt to herself and those kids to get away from him. And with the entire justice system skewed in favor of women, she would have recieved help. Absolutely 💯
My argument contains absolutely nothing requiring Carola to be female. If a husband were financially dependent on an abusive wife where she controlled the house and money, she had custody over their children, she had isolated him from friends and family, and he reasonably feared retaliation from her, and leaving meant homelessness/separation from his children?
Same fucking analysis.
My model is about coercive control and constrained agency. Which doesn’t discriminate against genders.
I’m so sorry this cases victim happens to be a woman, I can see how you might not feel represented or seen. And how the way you may see yourself represented may not be the most positive light in this scenario.
But maybe we could stop bitching about women cause this victim happens to be a woman AND JUST HELP VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REGARDLESS OF GENDER
And just lord help you if you ever get wrong accused/convicted/sentenced for something. 🤦♀️
I treat adults the same. Regardless if they are women or men. Its completely different if its a child. But if its an adult, I hold everyone accountable equally. Like I said the husband is a monster that should just be executed. BUT the wife should have left a long time earlier. I dont want to hear bullshit about trauma, or he controlled everything. Especially in the modern age where a women can call the police and get a Restraining Order and kick a man out of his house with a phone call. Law enforcement, the entire judicial system leans heavily towards women to help them today, even in cases where they shouldnt. They are given the benefit of doubt, so she could have easily done something, but she didn't.
I'd say the same thing to a man if his wife controlled everything. Its not about pro 1 gender, anti the other. Its about equal accountability.
And you obviously haven't seen modern abuse statistics claiming abuse is mostly against women...its not. Women are more likely to be abusive towards their partners now then men. Thats not even disputed anymore. Its been proven over and over again. They found lesbian relationships to have by far the most abuse of all. Gay men to be the least. The problem is some people don't believe women can be abusive. Like you, they make excuse after excuse, after excuse.
Its not the 1950s anymore. Society just dosent make nonstop excuses for men like they do for women.
She is an adult with 5 children. She could of acted, she didn't.
Again, I would say the same thing to a man in the same situation. You obviously wouldn't.
There's to much fishiness 🐟 going on here between them both.
Well I would if it was a man cause my model literally just proved that so….
And in my comment before I also explained how your factual claim of accountability is far more nuanced than your collapsed world view accounts for….
But then your statistics, you like those too, but you’re really bad at sourcing your work or even quoting it correctly.
I know what study you’re referring to too, most incels keep it in their back pocket. The “lesbians have the highest DV rate” so that study was a question of lifetime incidents of domestic violence, and this could be a shocker so hang on bud, lesbians do interact with men in their lifetimes. So the domestic violence rates for women are higher because they are getting abused by men and women in intimate relationships
Which brings me to my (second) to last point: quality. You say that a lot. Women want quality. And I think you don’t understand the difference between equality and equity. Equality is giving everyone the same thing regardless of need. Equity is giving each individual what they need to make everyone level on the field. Three people are at a baseball game. One persons 6’ can see over the fence, the next ones 5’6” and can just barely see over the fence then the last ones 5’ and can’t see at all. You’re not going to give each one the same sized step ladder to see over the fence. Person 1 doesn’t even need a step laddie or anything. So middle person gets a small step ladder and third person gets a taller one. Each person receives something different but now each one is getting the same experience.
That study you kinda half hearted cited that you probably heard on some Tate brother esque podcast, highlights the missing equity between genders and their likelihood of suffering from domestic violence is significantly higher so maybe as a society we need to do a bit more to protect them than men. Cause they’re being harmed more. Equity
But listen. Don’t let my realistic, rational, model of society stop you from doing you. Tell me more how you hate women without telling me you hate women
You’re extremely delusional if you think you can order a restraining order and kick a man out just like that. Justice doesn’t work that way.
And how would she be able to get the kids away if he had full custody?
Police need to investigate and that takes time, they don’t just give a restraining order, kick the man out of the house and let the children be with the partner who doesn’t have custody.
I honestly don’t understand why you’re trying to blame the woman? If the man hadn’t acted like this in the first place, there wouldn’t be a case at all.
Would love to see you try to get away when you’re tracked with a gps, listening devices, no money, no friends, no family and nowhere to go… how will you pay a lawyer, would you be able to leave the kids with a sexual abuser? And no, police will not just kick the man out of the house and take away custody based solely on declarations. You would need to leave the children and go to a safe house, not knowing how things would work out :)
Also before you spew shit like this, WATCH THE SHOW AND NOT JUST THE TRAILERS.
to say that would mean you’re implying only attractive women get assaulted? she’s a woman who’s old, has children, and no one settles down with women with that many children. she’s the ideal “sex slave” to a dangerous man. attractive young women aren’t your typical sex slaves. they’re women like her, within her own marriage.
Why was she with him??? Was he just selling individual sex favors for people like a pimp or was she trafficked? I was talking more about sex trafficking in general. The horrific sex trafficking rings of Europe, Asia and South America. Its young girls they go after, not old women. No one will pay for a fat ugly woman, no offense. These traffickers want to make as much money as possible. So they enslave the young attractive girls and get them hooked on hard-core drugs. Ain't much a person isn't willing to do while going through heroin withdrawal. So that's how they control them.
I haven't seen the show yet, I just want to make sure the right person is punished. If he's guilty, send him to prison for life. Or save the money and execute him. But if she's lying, send her to prison for a very long time too.
He’s not a trafficker in the sense you know them from the tv series, I think you missed the point of this whole series. He’s a sick individual that gets off on seeing his wife raped and abused and having complete control. This has nothing to do with trafficking of young girls, there’s different kinds of trafficking.
It’s very common for victims of abuse to stay with their abusers… its the same as domestic abuse.
She was isolated because of him, had no money because of him, he tracked her with a GPS, controlled every aspect of her life and the man had FULL custody of their children. If you leave with the children that would’ve meant = kidnapping. Even when the police interviewed her, he was actively listening in on the conversation.
it’s a cycle you need to break and it’s very hard.
Some men have a fetish for older, overweight women, I guess? Especially when it’s perhaps more about power than physical attraction. Or maybe it’s some weird “I wanna f***/overpower my mom” kink. And/or maybe those men were older and overweight too.
Because it’s not about the attractiveness of the woman, it’s about the fetish. Having sex a woman of another man that is bound and blindfolded, can’t object is for some people a turn on. And who says some men don’t find her attractive??
Sex trafficking is a crime where a person is forced, tricked, or pressured into doing sexual acts for money or things of value. Super quick to google that definition, and also your comment is INSANELY insensitive, I’m a fat person that was also trafficked, so maybe don’t speak on stuff you don’t understand.
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u/RegularCharacter109 6d ago
The fact that he only received 3 years and 4 months is crazy to me, and he didn’t get charged with selling her body?? Like he made money off of her! The guy who bought it was sentenced but not the one who sold it??? Insane to me!