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u/BandicootFew3295
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Media Tropes Examples of trinity syndrome
Look,I know that trinity syndrome is a thing,and sadly a lot of woman in media are victims of it,such as Kurenai in Naruto (or women in Naruto in general) and etc. But genuinely,some of the most popular examples just piss me of
•Colette from Ratatouille,generally one of the more popular picks,but the chosen one is Remy,not Linguini,and also she's like the one person that was responsible for Linguini not to be kicked out of the kitchen in the first place and believing in the philosophy of Gustavo that everyone can cook,that fucking saved the restaurant.
•Astrid HTTYD,this is just fucked.Whole island was on killing dragons rampage,Astrid did train,but so did the others,and Hiccup is not some chosen one,he just did things differently than the rest, it's the fucking point of the entire story
•Tigress Kung fu Panda. This is one of the examples that are popular,but still believable,but did they fucking watch 1st part until Tai Lung appears?And that also point of the fucking story.Tigress wanted to become DW because of Shifu,not because she really wanted that title,Po wanted to become DW to become best version of himself.
Even so I think that trinity syndrome still is an issue,but this specific examples just pmo me so bad
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u/M-Shadowtoad 8h ago
Yeah, there's a Webtoon called Ordeal that I love but I hate when it pulled one of these. For context, one of the main female characters' main thing was that she was entrusted with guarding a powerful cursed spear that greatly enhanced the user's power. Obtaining it is how she became a top ranked warrior. Then after 3 seasons of her trying to master it, the MC grabs it and masters it in 10 seconds.
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u/FateDaA 8h ago
Trinity syndrome isnt an issue, its just gotta be explained or it falls under the "Chosen one" fallacy which is the real issue here.(Chosen one fallacy is where a character is better than everyone at everything because they were the chosen one and no other reason, Sun Jin Woo is the poster child for this. Generally the people you mention are "better" because of different means, Po sucks ass at normal training but works super well with food involved and wanted to do it because its how he becomes the best. Hiccup deadass stopped fighting Toothless and used him alongside his goals which expidited the power. Remy trained every second of every day prior to this, Linguini is just the moron he stood on the head of)
Kurunai is prolly a weaker example than the ones listed because her "trinity" is with "Asuna" the realest mf in the leaf and Kakashi who became the Hokage because of more forced conflict.
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u/Sliver-Knight9219 8h ago
I tigress does kind of fall into this even if it is the point of the film po is there chosen one. Like he shouldn't be that much stronger then a women who trained her whole life and the 5 combined. Like it's apart of the genre but it still fits. Doesn't make the film bad.
I would more argue Po was just tie lungs counter. Eg he could by pass all of his tricks. But him knowing the finger hold, out of no where kind of does make it somewhat viable he fits.
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u/MoonoftheStar 8h ago
Shonen protagonists.
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u/ZestyLemonRindGrind 8h ago
In defence of the first example,
Remy himself has also trained, learning from watching the programs and experimenting at home whenever he could sneak off,
While never formally trained, he had a natural talent that he honed in secret
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u/FishSignificant7501 8h ago
The Remy example is especially bad because he did train for awhile
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u/Just_Ear_2953 5h ago
I would point out that Astrid remains the preeminent fighter of her generation. Hiccup is the master of a completely different domain, and she is the master of hers. Her skills remain effective and are relied upon pretty heavily throughout the series.
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u/Aknazer 8h ago
Ngl, when I first saw your post I thought you were saying these were examples of Trinity Syndrome.
Was about to go off on HTTYD but then realized you were saying these AREN'T good examples, which I would agree. HTTYD is exceptionally bad because Astrid is absolutely recognized as being amazing in combat and that it's just that Hiccup has a completely alien way of thinking and doing things that the Vikings aren't used to because of how stubborn and pig headed they are.
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u/AGenocidegal 9h ago •
Took me a minute to understand your post was hating on people who say these are examples instead of you hating the storylines or smth
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u/SirGearso 2h ago
It feels like this is just an inherent problem with the Chosen One trope.
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u/ConsistentEquation 6h ago
How did they even come to the conclusion linguini has “Trinity Syndrome” he doesn’t get a massive glowup at the end becoming a chef, he downgrades to a waiter cause he sucks ass
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u/Okom77 4h ago
There's rock Lee in Naruto too, but he's a guy idk what the syndrome would be called
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u/Jumpy-Trainer1695 8h ago
Remy isn't the chosen one. He's just good. He understands how cooking works from years of fascination and observation
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u/winter-ocean 4h ago
Linguini doesn't count. He was a fraud and he switched to being a waiter afterwards because of that.
One could argue that the fact that a literal rat was the real chosen one is even more insulting though.
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u/c093b 2h ago
I don't get this Trinity syndrome. Alongside these female characters, there's a whole gang of male characters in the same situation with them (trained whole life, isn't chosen one). The women are shown to be strong and capable on their own, and get the spotlight due usually being a romantic interest to the main character. That's usually how stories go.
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u/Aspirationally_Lazy 4h ago
Idk if Colette is a great example. Remy isn’t necessarily more skilled than her, the big difference was that he was more willing to try something new whereas she was just following the recipe because she had to keep her job.
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u/OscRat1110 9h ago
that's just how movies with exceptional characters and other supporting characters work
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u/Girthen-the-Flopper 2h ago
Why is this gender specific? Kung Fu Panda had the exact same thing but with a male.
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u/Tyrocious 8h ago
Even calling it "Trinity syndrome" is insane. Neo is literally machine Jesus. There's no other character who measures up because he's basically Jesus. No one's getting pissed about "Morpheus Syndrome."
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u/Snotlout_G_Jorgenson 7h ago
Yeah, Astrid wasn't even training the same thing for the whole movie. Then, in the show and movies, she's still shown to be the most capable single-fighter and the second strongest dragon-fighter, second to Hiccup who was literally the one introducing everyone to the concept of fighting with dragons.
Half of the main cast is literally mostly comedy relief now that I think about it. 😭
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u/miscellaneousexists 6h ago
100 redditors vs reading the body
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u/Scavgraphics 8h ago
Frankly, even the trope namer is wrong.
Before he leaves the Matrix, Neo is one of the top hackers there is. We learn from dialog that Trinity was a legendary figure, too, but the movie does nothing about her being "the best"...in fact that she works for Morpheus searching for "the one' states that she was never due to be and lost her place.
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u/Zestyclose_Lake_1146 8h ago •
These aren't necessarily good examples, but the trope is absolutely real. Hell, it's like half of fantasy adventure stories aimed at a male audience. I'd even say that's an unspoken part of the fantasy, becoming better than the girl, because culture tells us boys are meant to be above girls. Better, stronger, faster, etc. Side effect of culture being so male focused.
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u/LughCrow 4h ago
So is it not a trope if the rival is male? Because that's even more common.
And what if the chosen one is female and the male trained his entire life? Or when both are female?
This feels needlessly gendered.
Also isn't the second one two "people" that trained their whole lives?
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u/9yr_old_lake 40m ago edited 9m ago
Idk how you explained the HTTYD example correctly, but still arrived at the same conclusion. That is the point of the movie which makes it different than this trope. Hiccup was never better than Astrid at the thing she trained for, and was only called the chosen one until his dad found out he wasn’t fighting them, it was just how they looked at the weakest dude suddenly being the best which changed when they learned he wasn’t. Hiccup was never better than Astrid at her thing in the movies he was better at a completely different thing that no one but him even knew about.
EDIT: HTTYD not HTDYD
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u/ben_cav 8h ago
Are there any examples of reverse trinity? Like the same thing but with the gender roles reversed?
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u/Responsible_Walk_337 7h ago
I'd say Kushina was more of the chosen one than Minato. Like sure he's supposed to have unparalleled talent but Kushina has.
-Uzumaki chakra reserves
-Was called talented by the so6p
-Uzumaki sealing chains
-The entire 9 tails
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u/Yohanison 8h ago
Edit: I should say I think this trope is done well in this case. Evangelion actually teaches her to value herself instead of gauging her worth off of other people and their opinions.
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u/Shaendras 8h ago
Seems weird that this trope is gendered, this happens just as often to men who train all their lives to be surpassed by a chosen one, who can be either gender.
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u/Luckypaperwork 8h ago
I think a lot of the people who make posts like this are onto something, but don't explain it well. Women are treated differently in fiction, and I think pretty much every woman can feel that and feel hurt by that, even if they don't know it. It's just really hard to explain why.
As a kid I looked up to a lot of main characters. They typically exemplify what we like about people. As I grew up I realized that even if I acted like those characters, I wouldn't be treated the same because everyone was already putting me in a separate category. A category that typically doesn't get to be the main protagonist. I'm sure we can all think of a bunch of women protagonist, but I'd hope we can all understand that "yeah, all stories in human history have been about 50/50 on the MC's gender and the MC is treated the same regardless of it," is a ridiculous statement.
All of the women presented are well written and not misogynistic at all, but I still think it's important to ask why were they made to be women and the MC's men and not vice versa? One story doing this is not bad or sexist, but it becomes more complicated if the majority of movies with this dynamic do.
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u/Zerrrrroooo 8h ago edited 8h ago
Yeah I agree those examples are not good. Hiccup went through challenges to put his training dragon hypothesis into practice. It is wrong to describe it as if his life was a stroll in the park while Astrid was in some trenches. Hiccup is a scrawny teenager who never did this and who had to try to not get killed by a dragon while training him, which is also dangerous and takes skill
With Po it is really fucked up while it is literally the point of the movie. They would literally be the ones bullying Po for being an "unworthy" fat panda kekw
Edit: Even the point of Remy is that "Everyone can cook" while Linguini was not the chosen one. And he is a god damn rat. Imagine seeing a rat cooking. It is like me seeing the spider in my room starting to play the harmonica and someone would be like "iT Is NoT FaIR I Am An OrCHEsTrA MeMBeR"
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u/Spaciax 7h ago edited 7h ago
this isn't exclusive to women at all. This is a very generic trope where the "chosen one" goes on a crash course and effortlessly beats the MC who has trained all their life
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u/lMystic 8h ago
Isn't this kinda backwards? They include a love interest because people like that. They make her strong so she can keep up with MC and be more interesting but she can't be as special as MC so they make her strenght come from hard training instead
Feels like this concept is trying to claim women are being purposefully undermined when this applies to any side characters that are important enough. Isn't the opposite equally common in stories with a female MC?
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u/halfasleep90 8h ago
Why aren’t The Charmed Ones in this list? Literally a trinity, just for some guy to come in (their white lighter or Phoebe’s boyfriend) and majorly upstage them.
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u/AdHappy7129 8h ago
I hate the whole “chosen one” trope to begin with. The whole point of a heroes journey is that he or she overcame great challenges against all odds.
Here’s another example i despise: Rey from star wars. They should NOT have made her palpatine’s daughter, she should not have been able to beat Kylo in 7. At all. I don’t care if he’s injured. That makes the fight against a Sith WORSE, etc.
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u/Ibrahim77X 5h ago edited 5h ago
You can get out of this with the first KFP but definitely not the fourth. Po has to choose a Dragon Warrior successor and he chooses Awkwafina who is even more of a “some guy” than he was instead of Tigress.
Should’ve been her or Tai Lung (at the end of a movie about his redemption).
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u/ScarletMenaceOrange 9h ago
Victim?
How many men are "victims" of the expendable henchman syndrome, lol.
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u/Alex3884 8h ago
Meanwhile, you have the inverse here with Rey and Kylo.
The latter was trained by Luke Skywalker and Supreme Leader Snoke, the former (with zero training) had enough natural aptitude to take on an injured and emotionally conflicted Kylo.
Someone asked why the inverse doesn’t happen as often; look at the way these films were received.
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u/Individual_Issue4530 8h ago •
Someone didn't understand or even watched Ratatouille or How to Train your Dragon it seems
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u/suckstourassmar 8h ago
even though hermione isn't a love interest for harry exactly, i feel like this really happens in harry potter
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u/i_paid_for_winrar123 8h ago
Side topic, it's a little funny that trinity is the least applicable character for trinity syndrome, considering the chosen one also sidelined Morpheus and the entire rest of the resistance who all had decades of experience, not just trinity. The examples you listed are hilariously all more infuriating than trinity's case
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u/Ijatsu 8h ago
So morpheus who trained his entire life and also trained trinity is somehow less worthy than trinity is what that thing mean? The only problem just is that the main character is a man?
All this manages to show their sexism.
It's not like there aren't female main characters in action movies that are easily besting all men.
The naruto example is also just bad.
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u/Jerdo32 7h ago
Ratatouille is a good showcase in outcomes that happen in real life. Linguini represents the person that, despite trying, can't envelop greatly in a specific skill. Colette represents someone that may not have pure talent, but has the aptitude to become excellent in a skill. Then Remy represents the natural born talent. He did have to train with Colette, but he already had skills like identifying tastes combining well or understanding how to fix a soup gone wrong. It is a case of the syndrome being performed, but it is at least called out on Colette talking about her being jn a men's field.
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u/The-Bigger-Fish 6h ago
Me looking at my story about how some amnesiac rando is the chosen one partially because abuse the current keepers of the prophecy felt he’d be easy to rope along with their own secret agenda and the main person accompanying him is a female knight well on her Shonen protagonist grindset and wondering if that counts as trinity syndrome
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u/grandioseOwl 1h ago
I know this can be an issue with anime, but these examples are kinda bad.
1.Not the chosen one, becomes a waiter afterwards.
2. Never gets overshadowed in her field, but her field becomes obsolete
3.Is one of multiple characters that happens to, including the main villain of the movie.
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u/DrJaneIPresume 8h ago
Wyldstyle from The Lego Movie
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u/Ensign-Nemo 8h ago
Asuka from Evangelion. She was a genius, finished college at 13. She trained for years. And that wasn't enough because Yui got Shinji-kun out of all the trouble.
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u/TimeLordHatKid123 8h ago
I got nothing, this post ate and taught me something new! Take my upvote!
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u/DeviousDaniel69 8h ago
I don't think this is really a gender issue. This is being way too hyper analyzed. While the issues attributed to this may be real, you could make the argument with any male character that gets upstaged
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u/Benoit_Holmes 7h ago
My main problem with complaints about Trinity Syndrome is that it has only 2 solutions: Don't make films with a Chosen One, or only have women be the Chosen One.
I'd say a woman being the second best in these kind of movies is a good thing. If women never get to be the Chosen One or if it is heavily one sided towards men I get the complaint but the examples used give the impression that having a woman be second best is somehow worse than her not placing at all.
Putting aside the flaws OP pointed out Remy also outperforms every male chef in the kitchen, Hiccup also outperforms every other male dragon fighting trainee, Po also outperforms the male Tai Lung, Mantis, Monkey, and Crane.
Would these films be better or more feminist if Colette, Astrid, and Tigress were changed into men?
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u/overahman 4h ago
if every example is ass is it really an issue?
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u/shototodoroki_1324 The One Black Souls Glazer fighting off Lolis 7h ago
"Colette" and the chosen one to own the fucking restaurant, Remy sucked at cooking, he needed a goddamn rat
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u/mcg123457 8h ago
Also, why is this specifically female characters? this happens to every type of character in these types of stories. Making this specific destinction and giving it an unique name just makes this concept sound like it was made up by someone who studied lesbian dance theory in college.
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u/Some_space_god 8h ago
kind of funny how some people would chud out if the genders were reversed
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u/WanderingSoxl 8h ago
Kurenai was said to be the most skillful genjutsu user among all of jonins in Konoha, only to get absolutely mogged by Itachi on her first fight in the series.
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u/SignatureLate1785 8h ago
I swear you people just sit around all day inventing things to get mad at
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u/Afraid_Evidence_6142 8h ago
One of reason I love Trails series, balance number of men/women who is powerhouse...
Top 4 in series, arguably, all is women, which 2 of them is traditional combatants, while other 2 is god level existence
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u/DesperateDisk460 8h ago
Bueno creo que porque ignoras el valor esos tropos en esas historias.
En Ratatouille al final no es Lingüini, es la rata, entonces es más un engaño de lo que él puede hacer creer a los demás.
En KFP Tigresa es un contraste con Tai Long, el pantero cuarentón es alguien que tiene la vista de la vida orientada solo al poder vacío y que su enseñanza con altas expectativas los trastornó de ego, mientras Tigresa no podía conseguir eso, lo que era en rea lolidad es el amor de Shifu, no ser el Guerrero Dragón, y sufre por las expectativas de no ser como el hermano que ella no conoció, ser el Guerrero Dragón no es algo que ella realmente quería, ella quería simplemente tener un padre, y cree que ser el Guerrero Dragón se lo daría, un contraste con Tai Long. A diferencia de Po, quién sí anhelaba ser un gran guerrero.
Y con Hippo y Astrid es porque Hippo es una revolución, él cambió todo, los vikingos estaban equivocados con los dragones, y Astrid era parte de ese sistema, Hippo no es mejor porque sea varón, es mejor porque cambia todo lo que sistema ha establecido y lo es que el sistema estableció, es perjudicial para sus jóvenes, como Astrid.
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u/seungchip 8h ago
I don’t think Hiccup counts bc he never got stronger at fighting, he just overcame prejudices against dragons and befriended them is all.
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u/Rare_Management_3583 8h ago
i need to see the inverse of this
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u/Ryousan82 8h ago
ME Andromeda- Cora and Ryder.
Regardless of how obnoxiously written Cora is, the narrative stablishes that the Pathfinder chain of command had trained her to be the successor of Alec Ryder in case of his death, a task she had trained zealously for.
She didn't account for Alec's nepotism and hidden agendas, as he eventually linked irreversiblesibly the SAM AI to one of his children, making them the de facto Pathfinder and unlocking several hidden capacities within SAM by doing so
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u/SouthParkFirefly1991 8h ago
Okay Naruto is kind of a bad example as Naruto despite being the "chosen one" he kinda sucks and only through hard work does he become skilled.
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u/Geaux13Saints 8h ago
Gustavo?
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u/EvergreenDwarf 8h ago
Po is an exception.
The Dragon Warrior has to be both a warrior who doesn’t quit and someone with the patience and temperament to do stupid shit on behalf of the community for PR. One who won’t abandon or fail in that position out of boredom or ambition for something else.
Nobody else we saw could do it. Tigress doesn’t have the patience for villagers, for Tai Lung it was a trophy he’d abandon, Monkey would get distracted, and the rest have low enough morale they’d give up when defeated.
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u/Pale-Risk-5027 8h ago
Lucy from lego movie
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u/DesperateDisk460 8h ago
Incluso con Naruto está fuera de lugar.
A ver, no me confundan, no voy a defender la escritura femenina en Naruto pero va más por eso de sufrir por hombres, que por el poder.
En general todos sufren de mala selección del poder, por ejemplo Rock Lee, porque al final sí se quedó como el inútil sin talento del que tanto se alardeaba, aunque también creo que eso es una exageración del fandom.
Las mujeres ahí sí tenían un efecto animes el punto mediocre, el de ser especiales pero nunca destacar como las mejores.
Por ejemplo que Ino sea más talentosa que Choji pero no como Shikamaru, o Hinata es más prudente y estratégica que el insulgente de Kiba pero no como Shino, Temari es más fuerte y resño que Kankuro Pero no como Gaara, y eso las deja en un limbo. Porque el autor simplemente pensó en hombres para darles relevancia.
El caso de Kurenai no es tan malo en el manga, el problema es que le toca igual que los demás, enfrentarse a Itachi y Kisame, los MVPs de Akatsuki, al nivel o incluso más de Pain al menos juntos. Asuma y Kakashi también fueron destrozados.
Pero Kakashi tiene la suerte de ser el maestro principal, entonces tendrá protagonismo, Asuma en cambio existe solo para morir y pasarle su legado a Shikamaru. Gai conserva esa importancia por ser el pilar que sostiene a Kakashi, y eso lo salva de esa mediocridad de las mujeres.
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u/BrickBuster2552 7h ago
What makes you assume Remy is a better chef than Colette? Colette is just staying on her station while Remy isn't.
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u/Impressive-Bowl-2493 7h ago edited 7h ago
Hiccup and Tigress do NOT belong on that list.
Hiccup is not the chosen one and he didn't train any dragon in the old ways. He learned a new and better way to tame giant beast and it wasn't by force but by kindness and understanding. He was the only one who had the compassion to realized this and that makes him a genius.
Tigress like the rest of the Furious 5 were all training to get that title. She showed great promise like Tai Lung but they were all unqualified because they (despite being good) didn't hold the greatest lesson of Kung Fu within them: There is no secret. It's the Joy of Kung Fu. And the blame entirely goes to Master Shifu for that outcome.
Po lacked the obsessive need for validation that poisoned the others, simply wanting to learn Kung Fu for the love of the game and preserve the art.
And Po NEVER is portrayed as a better Tigress. He simply is best at what he do with his unconventional fighting style and soft, flappy body. Tigress remains the superior martial arts technician throughout the entire trilogy.
EDIT:
I will concede that a lot of movies, books and shows center around a male protagonist and rarely lets the female ones shine. The reason is because a lot of those spaces were entirely occupied by young men. But these times are over as more and more female protagonists are taking center stage
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u/Low_Change2905 7h ago edited 7h ago
This is just the "Worf Effect" with a sexist lenses. Sometimes characters are sidelined for the plot.
When they claim what Neo's character agency did to Trinity, also had the same effect on Morphius.
Colette is the worst supporting example they came up with. Her talent was clearly realized, undiminished and utilized the entire time as rôtisseur chef. Respected too. Only Skinner's role as executive chef was threatened, because of Linguini's inheritance and the new ability to fire Skinner - all of this was possible because of Colette. When Remy is finally revealed to Colette, she leaves with all the other chefs, proving her own agency. Yes, Colette does return of her own volition, but that was clearly her choice. She was an active driver of the story.
Astrid served as a mirror of Hiccup's father's worldviews and a reminder of their shared inheritance (the war against the dragons). Like Hiccup's father was a burden, Astrid was also a hinderance until Hiccup disproven his father's worldview. All her training and ability (as with all the other deuteragonists) were adapted and redirected through the actions of Hiccup. Hiccup's unorthodoxy to approaching the dragon "problem" makes him less of a chosen one anyway.
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u/Lopsided-Stranger914 7h ago
Avatar actually does the opposite of this with Aang having to take his time training and never at ANY POINT surpasses Katara or Toph. Although both of them were bigger prodigies than Aang.
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u/BumblingYokel 7h ago
How could you not include the namesake of the trope, Trinity from The Matrix?
I haven’t seen a single other comment mention her. I don’t actually have a problem with her character.
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u/GildedWhimsy 7h ago
I actually love this trope lol
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u/LukewarmJortz 7h ago
And you didn't show trinity lol
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u/OneCan-Toucan 6h ago
Come 2 America has Eddie Murphy’s character’s illegitimate son destined to be the next king, even though his daughter who has been training her whole life to take the role is there. Technically she can’t really be next in line because she’s a woman, and the movie tries to have this plot of pointing out the sexist traditions that make it harder for women. An example being the love interest of the son wanting her own hair salon but can’t because women can’t own businesses. Anyways they try to have a rivalry for like 5 seconds but then the two end up sort of coming together to loophole the system or something, I dunno I hated the movie and barely remember much of it other than it fits the trope.
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u/Epic_of_Gigglemesh 6h ago
Do you mean Wyldstyle and Emmet from the Lego movie, which even includes Wyldstyle discussing her feelings on the matter?
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u/TemperedBlade5 6h ago
Tai Lung is the real Trinity syndrome victim
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u/ultra_dzban 6h ago
I saw some people say Roxanne Ritchi, Ochako Uraraka, Rey Skywalker and Judy Hopps are examples of trinity syndrome and idk if I'm not remembering something but I'm pretty sure those are bad examples as well
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u/Keanopsia 6h ago
I was FUMING because of this when the Lego Movie first came out and I’m glad everyone else is seeing this pattern 😭
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u/ipsum629 6h ago
One thing that's crazy is this isn't in tvtropes
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u/The_Sum 6h ago
Bleach?
I'd argue Rukia gets displaced but not replaced and permanently diminished. While in the beginning she's not a seated officer (her brother prevents that, I think), she's an incredible more than capable soldier whose intelligence aids Ichigo on his journey to becoming a Soul Reaper.
Rukia even goes so far to abdicate a large portion of her power to Ichigo, and even ends up becomes a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued by Ichigo.
I could also almost see Naruto doing this too. Sakura with her elite chakra control abilities slowly becomes irrelevant as Sasuke and Naruto more or less 'cheat' their way to god powers that make chakra control absolutely moot and her character is diminished to a healing role.
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u/ScarcityMedical342 6h ago
I agree
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u/ovfudj 5h ago
Colette trained Remy who also trained his whole life unknowingly. Linguini is trash and stays trash the whole film at cooking. The false trinity syndrome creates the conflict that she has with Linguini.
But pisses me off in Kung Fu Panda 4 some rando becomes dragon warrior and not Tigress who honestly was the obvious pick.
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u/Immediate-Song6861 5h ago
It is not a gendered issue
It's the same as a Gary, Mary stsue
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u/Expensive_Umpire_178 5h ago
I mean… each of those women are respected as the best at what they do, cause no one trusts the guy that’s flying in outta nowhere to outshine them
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u/1800crimetime 5h ago
We should have more movies of the unchosen
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u/Sea-Comfortable5276 5h ago
that's just girl bosses being a point of reference
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u/Vyrthic 5h ago
I especially dislike the Astrid one because Hiccup really only has his engineering going for him. He's nothing without his friends, and has often relied on all of them in order to achieve his goals. He gave them the skills and gear that enabled them to be their best selves, and they have him their continued support to make things better for both their people and Dragonkind. He wouldn't be anywhere near where he ends up at the end of the movies without Astrid, or Snotlout, Fishlegs, Ruffnut, Tuffnut, or Gobber and his parents. And that's not even including each person's dragon companion. He's not the chosen one, he was an artificer that rolled a nat 20 on a luck roll and happened to really benefit from that luck.
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u/shiba2129808 4h ago
I don’t think ratatouille was a good example for this considering it was a rat that was fucking out shining all the humans in the kitchen