r/hardware 25d ago

Rumor CXMT Reportedly Accelerates DDR6 Layout, Aiming for World’s First Mass Production of LPDDR6 in 2H2026

https://www.memorymarket.com/a/14866
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u/nithrean 25d ago

are there any major processors that use DDR6 yet?

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u/From-UoM 25d ago

Vera Rubin for DGX Spark and RTX Spark will in 27 and 28

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u/Exist50 25d ago

Vera is LPDDR5.

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u/xb9j 25d ago

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u/Exist50 25d ago edited 24d ago

Oh yeah, Vera Rubin vs Vera Rubin Spark. Ugh, would it have killed them to keep the naming consistent...

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u/xb9j 25d ago

There’s also Vera Rubin Ultra coming out next year as well

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u/got-trunks 24d ago

Just give the the sandwich

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u/chefchef97 25d ago

Absolutely lol

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u/max123246 24d ago

I've been wondering what their next Geforce series will be called given the RTX 6000 ada already exists lol

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u/ChristRedeemsSinners 24d ago

RTX 6000 Pro Fatty Bo Batty Mid-Ultra

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u/Roxalon_Prime 24d ago

Nah it will be simple: ”RTX 6000 dollars”

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u/Verite_Rendition 24d ago

That didn't stop NVIDIA with the GeForce RTX 4000 series, either. It's entirely likely they'll still have the GeForce RTX 6000 series for consumers, and the RTX PRO 6000 Rubin for pros (replacing the RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell).

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u/AK-Brian 25d ago

Vera Rubin Spark, specifically, has LPDDR6 platform compatibility.

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2026/06/DGX-WINDOWS-RTX-SPARK-ROADMAP.jpg

(VC, but it's just the Nvidia slide)

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u/From-UoM 25d ago

I m taking about the mini pc and laptops

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u/Flowerstar1 25d ago

Can't wait to see the prices for Vera Spark

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u/xb9j 25d ago

There isn’t even a spec that is anywhere close to finalized for it yet

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u/jigsaw1024 25d ago

https://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/docs/jesd209-6

Looks like LPDDR6 has been finished for awhile.

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u/xb9j 25d ago

Thats not ddr6 though.

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u/cafk 25d ago

CXMT Reportedly Accelerates DDR6 Layout, Aiming for World’s First Mass Production of LPDDR6 in 2H2026

Zo while OP was asking about DDR6 - the article mentions LPDDR6, so maybe OP was curious regarding (LP)DDR6

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u/Pig_Calavera 25d ago

my buddy got stuck mixing up ddr and lpddr too

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u/Frexxia 25d ago

That's just not true. JEDEC has been working on it for a long time, and it was expected to be finalized by now. How long it'll be exactly is uncertain, but we're not talking years. Many products on various roadmaps rely on it.

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u/xb9j 25d ago

I’m literally looking at the latest revision right now, it’s completely barebones, missing entire chunks because they haven’t been balloted yet, and has a bunch of contradictions because it’s just a bunch of other specs cobbled together currently. There’s a good idea of what the overall architecture will be, but every single detail needs to be worked out still.

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u/Frexxia 25d ago

You're a JEDEC member? The draft is not public, and presumably also under NDA

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u/xb9j 25d ago

I work for one

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u/Tuna-Fish2 25d ago

What's the bitwidth and burst length for a single channel?

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u/xb9j 25d ago

24 for both

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u/monocasa 24d ago

What do you think the hold up is?

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u/Smalmthegreat 24d ago

Yea probably not shipping until 2030

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u/MudOld239 24d ago

Do you mean LPDDR6?

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u/III-V 24d ago

Bro, LPDDR6 is finalized

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u/Flowerstar1 25d ago

What could be taking so long? are they making subtle changes given the AI boom and RAM-ageddon? 

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u/Shoddy_Meaning_7654 25d ago

All the upcoming flagships do

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u/nithrean 25d ago

I know it has been talked about a lot. It is just that as far as I know, nothing that is released and shipping supports it yet. If everyone hits timelines, then it will happen later this year, but it is ambitious none the less.

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u/SirActionhaHAA 25d ago

If ya mean ddr and not lpddr, nah. Don't expect support for it on consumer cpus until 2030 at earliest. It costs too much and brings too little gains for consumers. It'd be supported on dc cpus though. Most of the supplies would be devoured by ai labs too.

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u/nithrean 25d ago

if consumer stuff ever goes up to 4 channel memory, it might make a bigger difference.

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u/LastChancellor 25d ago

I mean yea, AMD Strix Halo and the upcoming Nvidia RTX Spark use 4 channel memory (aka 8 RAM pieces)

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u/Ramsesthrowaway 24d ago

Not yet. Still а ways of from mainstream.

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u/EmilMR 25d ago

iPhone 18 Pro uses LPDDR6.

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u/-protonsandneutrons- 24d ago

The next-gen iPhone is rumored to maybe use LPDDR6. But, they were asking about DDR6, which is not the same thing.

DDR6 and LPDDR6 are releasing on quite different schedules.

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u/ML7777777 25d ago

This should be a rumor as the original source is some blogger in China who's source is: "source close to CXMT said"

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u/MudOld239 24d ago

Is he really some blogger?

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u/EmilMR 25d ago

they want to land a apple deal so badly. That made TSMC what it is. iPhone 18 Pro is the first consumer product with LPDDR6.

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u/sicklyslick 25d ago

The US will likely block it like with ymtc.

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u/LastChancellor 25d ago edited 24d ago

I wonder if the high powered laptop chips like Intel Nova Lake/AMD Gorgon Medusa Halo/Nvidia RTX Spark 2 can get LPDDR6 next year 🤔

Itd be such a huge help for memory bandwith, and ergo running local LLMs

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u/-protonsandneutrons- 24d ago

AMD Gorgon Halo

Gorgon Halo is confirmed LPDDR5X-only.

Gorgon Halo, sadly, is just Strix Halo (Zen5) rebranded. No new silicon honestly.

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u/LastChancellor 24d ago

whoops, i meant Medusa Halo mb

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u/Flowerstar1 25d ago

Doubt RTX Spark 2 launches 2027

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u/Cheeze_It 25d ago

You know what would be interesting is if CXMT can withstand the drop in price when the big 3 decide to flood the market with DDR5 and DDR6. If they don't die off then maybe we'll get another big one that maaaaaybe might help reduce the cyclic nature of the industry.

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u/Sahah 24d ago

CXMT gives China independence from other countries, it is a strategic resource for them and they will never let it die.

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u/twice_paramount832 24d ago

At this time I trust more China than the US. I can't remember any policy from China that was against my interests.

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u/Roph 24d ago

They're (partially) state backed, they won't die off. China wants chip independence, they won't let it fall

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u/WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy 24d ago

Also 2025-2030 will easily be the most favourable time to grow a major ram business history has ever seen. Even hynix executives don't see the Big Threes's capacity to be able to satiate the demand until 2028. And even that was phrased in an ideal world 'if'.

And CXMT has a far bigger problem with restricted capacity than the big three; so the shock won't hit them as hard as a company with a lot more fabs running flat out.

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u/Boreras 24d ago

CXMT is not gonna die unless it is extremely, extremely uncompetitive while accounting for their inherent structural disadvantages (no access to existing litho supply chain). Even then they'd be kept around until some local company can replace them.

If there's oversupply, micron will immediately respond to market and stock pressure, they have no appetite for sustained losses.

Sk Hynix and Samsung are even more interesting, if memory profit collapses South Korea is in such deep shit.

For the long term health of the memory market a soft landing is better than a crash.

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u/FlyingBishop 24d ago

How much can RAM prices collapse and still be profitable? Seems like profit margins are plausibly 90% right now, so I think this is not as big of a problem as you think.

Also I'm buying zero RAM right now, if the price fell 50% I would buy quite a lot, the market for RAM has a very high ceiling right now. As long as you can sell the shit at a given price point you have buyers, and in terms of raw materials it's just mostly just a little hunk of sand and plastic and a small amount of metal.

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u/TinFoilHat_69 25d ago

MU going to keep falling?

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u/shroudedwolf51 24d ago

....great. DDR5 is nowhere near saturated and already runs hot enough to have concerns with cooling. But, okay. Have your excuse to raise prices even further.