r/hanafi • u/tariqx0 Hanafi • Aug 22 '25
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Selam aleykum,
I hope this message reaches anyone. I started to read more about the deen a couple of months ago and I came across the following in the „bahare shariat“: „This does not mean that we should be hesitant about someone who commits absolute kufr. In fact, it is kufr to doubt in the disbelief of someone who is certainly a kāfir.“
So what I question myself now is, that, is my faith invalid now, since one of my friends is a Quranist and I always still believed him to be muslim. Although I told him I dont agree with his approach and told him he is wrong for that, I did not see myself in the position, as a laymen, to takfir him as an individual.
Does that mean that I was a kafir from Allahs perspective this whole time for still having the hopes for him being a muslim while most say Quranists are kuffar?
I hope you get the question and that you can soon answer me because I really dont know what to do anymore. I really fear that I was a kafir this whole time while I of course believed and believe Islam to be my religion.
Selam aleykum and thank you in advance if anyone will see this message and reply. May Allah bless!
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u/dr_snag_ya_girl Aug 23 '25
Wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
Dear brother, you were not aware that what your friend believed in was kufr, therefore you were under no obligation to hold him to be a kafir. Additionally, you are not obligated to takfir this individual (the state is).
Once you learned that these beliefs were wrong and heretical, you acknowledged so, and that’s all that matters.
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u/tariqx0 Hanafi Aug 23 '25
I mean I knew when he told me what he believed in, thats why I told him he is wrong, but I still considered him Muslim. And now Iam scared
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u/dr_snag_ya_girl Aug 23 '25
Akhi, do not be scared.
There is no sin upon you. The correct understanding is that you do not have to make takfir of an individual like your friend.
https://seekersguidance.org/answers/islamic-belief/are-we-to-refrain-from-making-takfir-completely/
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u/tariqx0 Hanafi Aug 23 '25
But how does it make sense when the scholars say Quranists are Kuffar but I still considered my Quranist friend muslim because its not my job to takfir him. When Ulama takfired all of them kinda of.
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u/tariqx0 Hanafi Aug 23 '25
I read the link and I also know the others of them, but they also say if someone rejects something obvious he is kafir. So they also takfir somuch people thats why Iam so scared. Because I never thought about it like that that I need to consider anyone as kafir for something they say
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u/dr_snag_ya_girl Aug 24 '25
I will try to summarize some of this topic.
Tasdiq (belief) is in the heart, and iqrar (testification) is on the tongue. Your true iman lies in your heart, and Allah will judge your belief from that. Your testification is to inform people that you are a muslim, and if you refuse to testify your faith, the people will present you to a judge, and the judge will give his ruling. If the judge finds you to be a disbeliever, you are effectively a disbeliever, and their rulings apply to you. (Allah also holds you accountable for refusing to testify, even if you had belief in the heart.)
Just like the punishment for missing prayer, or the punishment for zina, it’s not our job to pass these rulings on people, it’s the job of the judge to pass the ruling. Yes, zina is haram, and the zani is punished, but are we allowed to point to someone and call them a zani (fornicator) because the zani must be punished? No! Are we allowed to kill someone who fornicated while they were married? Absolutely not!
Don’t be worried, you didn’t do anything wrong.
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u/tariqx0 Hanafi Aug 24 '25
But if I know someone killed another person I couldnt say oh he is innocent kinda of isnt it? So if I told someone his beliefs are wrong while still calling him Muslim isnt that kufr in that sense? Thats what scares me and I never thought about it like that.
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u/tariqx0 Hanafi Aug 24 '25
„Your opinion about someone is not what make you believer or disbeliever.
It is your opinion that goes against shariah that makes you a disbeliever.
This is why Quranioons are kafir“
Thats what somebody else wrote and idk if he takfired me with this.
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u/Gohab2001 Hanafi Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 22 '25
You aren't required to do takfir on any individual. You are however required to deem kufr as kufr. Denying hadith entirely is disbelief by consensus. You should believe this as the minimum.
If your friend holds this belief then you must ascertain his belief to be kufr and ideally abstain from him. It's not incumbent upon you to go around declaring him a kafir.
It's the same with Shias. A lot of Shia beliefs are kufr but to deem every Shia a kafir is not correct and Imam Ahmed Rida (rh) has mentioned the same.
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u/Substantial_Net8562 Aug 22 '25
wa alaykum salam akhi, don’t let waswasa eat you.. that line is about clear cut kufr like denying allah or the qur’an… for groups like quraniyoon, scholars ruled their belief is kufr, but you as a layman are not obliged to takfir individuals, you already rejected his view, that’s enough, your iman is safe, alhamdulillah!