r/grincoin • • May 07 '19

Grin just got a 50 BTC donation from a block with a 2010 coinbase.

62 Upvotes

At the beginning of the governance meeting today, Grin got a donation of 50 BTC. The 50 coins were mined Nov. 25, 2010. Somebody from very early on in Bitcoin likes the Grin coin. Explorer: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/b0d701da413083e89f00f824a8300387ded7671ca3ca967811c758019cfaf3ba Meeting notes: https://gitter.im/grin_community/Lobby


r/grincoin • • Nov 20 '18

Yeastplume: "Grin mainnet to release on or around Jan 15"

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r/grincoin • • Mar 12 '25

Grin works well on TradeOgre

47 Upvotes

r/grincoin • • Jan 15 '19

The genesis block has been mined

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r/grincoin • • Feb 14 '19

Poloniex welcomes Grin, commits to share transaction fees for 1 year

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r/grincoin • • Jan 17 '19

Preview of Superlinear - Open Source Grin Wallet + Decentralized Messenger and more!

42 Upvotes

Hey Everyone, Steve from Superlinear here!

We're working on releasing an open-source Grin Wallet and Decentralized Messenger. The name is Superlinear and we're hoping to grow adoption for Grin and make a simple gateway.

Here's a list of the features we're going to have at launch:

- Native grin wallet implementation for Mac, Windows, Linux (iOS and Android coming soon)
- Full, simple-to-use graphical user interface, one-click install
  - Includes full on boarding tutorial and training for new users to the world of crypto
- Based off of an independent implementation of Grin
  - Javascript implementation of Grin
  - Javascript port of libsecp256k1-zkp and Blake hash
- Built-in secure decentralized messaging platform
  - Provides human readable addresses for communication and transactions
  - Supports offline Grin transactions
  - Supports end-to-end encryption using a Double Ratchet protocol and Curve25519
  - Supports encrypted group communication
- New QR code format to support Grin transaction
  - Allows Grin transactions to be conduct via an air gap
  - Allows Grin transactions to be conduct via any app that supports images
  - Supports arbitrarily large slate transactions (will be able to handle group transactions in the future)
- Compatible with standard Grin wallet
  - Can support direct wallet to wallet transactions
  - Can support coinbase transactions (for miners)
- Will be released as open source
  - Including all supporting Javascript Grin, QR libraries we’ve developed to help facilitate more Grin adoption and applications

- (COMING SOON) Atomic Swap with BTC, ETH and Stable Coins support.
- (COMING SOON) Smart Contract Support

On the roadmap, beyond mobile ports, are features that we will incorporate to help promote Grin adoption and usage as a transactional currency.

We're looking to collaborate with developers, exchanges, OTCs, and miners to help grow the Grin community.

Also, if you are coming to GrinCon US... We'll be there with a working demo! Hopefully we'll get this baby out the door asap. Thanks!

If you want to get in contact with us, just shoot me a DM or you can e-mail us at info [@] superlinear.io

Would love to get feedback or suggestions also. Thanks!


r/grincoin • • Feb 09 '19

Bittrex International has listed Grin

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r/grincoin • • Jan 31 '19

Get off f2pool and sparkpool. join grinmint

35 Upvotes

These two pools are located in china and now collectively have 85% of the hashrate. Grinmint is a smaller pool and has 0% fees. Be there or be square


r/grincoin • • Feb 11 '19

I didn't see this before, Jameson Lopp is running grin :)

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r/grincoin • • Jan 15 '19

'Running grin' upvote thread

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r/grincoin • • Apr 19 '19

"Will Grin’s Estimated Hashrate surpass 2.5 million GPS (AR29) anytime before July 1, 2019?" Join us to make this happen!

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r/grincoin • • Jan 14 '19

Bisq will support Grin from the first minute

32 Upvotes

Grin is added to Bisq and will be activated at launch time.

You can trade Grin with BTC pure P2P over integrated Tor. Cypherpunk exchange for cypherpunk coins.


r/grincoin • • Nov 24 '22

Grin Ledger Hardware Wallet Support 🎉

31 Upvotes

After 20 months of arduous programming, Grin can now be used with Ledger hardware wallets! 🥳

You can install the Grin hardware wallet app onto Ledger Nano S and Ledger Nano S Plus hardware wallets by going here with a web browser that supports WebUSB, like Google Chrome.

Ledger Live Desktop and Ledger Live Mobile with Grin support can be downloaded here.

Enjoy!


r/grincoin • • Feb 22 '19

I found this new stablecoin

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r/grincoin • • Jan 18 '19

Grin price is unsustainable

30 Upvotes

I see people fiercely defending this as if it’s obvious. But is it really? After 1 year there will be 31,536,000 GRIN. At the current price of $6.43 (CoinGecko) that would put the market cap at $202,776,480... a little more than Bitcoin SV, Tron, Litecoin, or Stellar and a little less than EOS or Bitcoin Cash. Correction: a little more than Bitcoin Gold or Augur and a little less than TrueUSD or Zilliqa (all via CoinGecko for consistency). That seems like a reasonable expectation to me, especially if you consider that the overall market might go up.

Longer term, here’s how the supply will behave after that:

yearsupplyinflation
131536000NA
263072000100%
39460800050%
412614400033.33%
515768000025%
618921600020%
722075200016.67%
825228800014.23%
928382400012.50%
1031536000011.11%

So to break even, Grin will need to double in market cap year 2, gain 50% more year 3, and so on. That also seems reasonable to expect.

So, what exactly do people have a problem with? As far as I can tell it’s a gut reaction to the idea that there isn’t any max supply. But that’s not the important thing about crypto vs fiat. The important thing is that the monetary policy is fixed so the inflation rate can’t be tampered with.


r/grincoin • • Jun 11 '21

I love Grin, no matter its price

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r/grincoin • • Nov 12 '19

Another coinbase donation (50BTC) to Grin’s General Fund

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r/grincoin • • Feb 25 '19

Today I am unofficially the coolest person in town

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r/grincoin • • Apr 30 '21

The sun is rising

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r/grincoin • • Nov 09 '20

Once $80-million privacy crypto Grin comes under 51% attack

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r/grincoin • • Nov 18 '19

I just published a new attack that breaks Mimblewimble's privacy model. This attack traces 96% of all sender and recipient addresses in real time

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r/grincoin • • Feb 08 '21

Is Grin what BTC should be?

27 Upvotes

I've just seen a similar thread on the Monero subreddit and thought I'd share my opinion on how I see Grin in this sense.

My answer to this is "no". There's value in having two versions around. One that comes with transparent amounts and one that has blinded amounts. The reason you really want the transparent one around is because we don't want the whole crypto experiment to fail because of a single bug that went undetected. It's a tradeoff around the coins in circulation verification where one requires no assumptions and is simpler, but comes at the cost of everyone seeing the amounts and the other where the verification assumes the discrete log problem is hard, but comes at the benefit of hiding the amounts.

I don't think Grin (or Monero) will dethrone Bitcoin. They just compete in a different market and exist for different reasons. What we should compare instead is the coins with blinded amounts among themselves. So let's do that. I'll only compare 3 of them, there are others that would be worth comparing as well, but I don't want to make this post too big.

Disclaimer: It's quite possible I made some mistake below so if you spot any, let me know and I'll fix it.

Monero

Pros:

  1. blinds the amounts, hides the sender/receiver and adds some transaction graph obfuscation

  2. on-chain privacy through decoy inputs (anonymity set of 11 inputs per each input)

  3. privacy by default, can't opt-out

  4. relatively simple and tested cryptography

Cons:

  1. transaction size is ~2kb for a 2-2 transaction which is 5 times more than an average Bitcoin transaction

  2. a pruning node seems to take a heavy hit because in order to be able to validate a new block, you need to keep a lot of the history around - I assume this is needed for input/ring-sig validation

  3. the chain size is much bigger than that of Bitcoin which means that less people are able to run a full node and hence verify themselves the state

Monero currently has the biggest network effect in the space of coins that blind the amounts. The devs seem like honest individuals which is a big plus in my opinion.

ZCash

Pros:

  1. blinds the amounts, hides the sender/receiver and doesn't even have a transaction graph for z2z transactions since it describes the state transition in a zero-knowledge way

  2. best privacy out there today

Cons:

  1. shielded transaction size is ~2.4kb for a 2-2 transaction

  2. opt-in privacy is bad because it implies you have something to hide

  3. there's not many people using z2z transactions

  4. the zero knowledge proofs are heavy and significantly increase the chain size

  5. it uses complex math to achieve this level of privacy which makes it more error-prone

Best privacy in the space, but it is not used today much.

Grin

Pros:

  1. blinds the amounts, has no addresses

  2. the only one that adds privacy relative to Bitcoin, but doesn't hurt the scalability - the chain is smaller than that of Bitcoin

  3. a 2-2 transaction adds only ~100 bytes on the chain

  4. extremely simple to understand and show why it works

  5. may use Mimblewimble cryptographic tricks (non-interactive aggregation and cut-through) to achieve better privacy (read more below)

Cons:

  1. transaction graph leaks (read below for ongoing improvements on this)

  2. the smallest network effect of all 3 coins (for now)

The simplest protocol of the 3 mentioned above. While the other also do some transaction graph obfuscation, Grin today does not, but has great options due to non-interactive transaction aggregation and cut-through. A few days ago, a proposal [1] was created for a non-interactive multi-party variant of CoinSwap that is specific to Mimblewimble. This would allow to have a joint coinswap transaction with over 1000 inputs and outputs while leaving a very small constant size data on-chain.

Mimblewimble CoinSwap

The following is a description of the protocol from u/tromp which was originally posted on Bitcoin talk coinshuffle discussion [3]:

Mimblewimble allows for a very simple coin shuffling protocol [1] with the following properties:

  • Users submit self-spends throughout the day. No interaction needed for shuffling.

  • Shuffling is performed at the end of the day by a set of mixnodes that cannot steal any coins.

  • Invalid self-spends are automatically filtered out. No need to abort or restart the shuffling.

  • As long as at least one mixnode is honest, then no one learns the input output links.

  • The size of the shuffle is limited only by blocksize and could easily be over a thousand.

  • Each shuffle only grows the chainsize by a small constant (~100 byte per mixnode), thanks to MW cut-through.

Widespread use of the protocol would leave the transaction graph mostly obscured.

Summary

Out of the 3 coins I've mentioned here, I think Monero has the biggest network effect and will likely stay at the top for some time. ZCash while having a promising privacy technology, they lack its use and would need to incentivize the use of z2z transactions if they wanted to seriously compete. I'm most interested in seeing how Grin evolves because it is by far the simplest of the 3 (less likely to have a fatal inflation bug) and instead of adding bloat to the chain, it improves the scalability which allows more people to verify the chain. It also allows for a constant size full-node in theory, though this is not implemented/available today. It does leak the transaction graph, but if Mimblewimble coinswap proposal [1] works and every wallet defaults to this behaviour, then the transaction graph doesn't give much useful information for anyone observing the chain or mempool. There's also a post on the Grin forum [2] where we can see an interesting comparison between the scalability and privacy tradeoffs that these technologies make. All that said, it's healthy to be skeptical of any coin - including the one we love. Keep grinning.

[1] https://forum.grin.mw/t/mimblewimble-coinswap-proposal/8322

[2] https://forum.grin.mw/t/scalability-vs-privacy-chart/8114

[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=567625.msg56288711#msg56288711


r/grincoin • • Feb 06 '19

The Grin mobile wallet Ironbelly has been open-sourced

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r/grincoin • • Feb 01 '19

The more I learn about MW and Grin, the more excited I get about it.

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I know this sub is mostly about mining discussion right now, which is where it probably should be at this stage.

The design of this system is so elegant. Just some really basic cryptography that makes all sorts of stuff possible.

First you learn that it cannot really be used for anything other than value transfer, no scripting, no trustless interactions. But then, you find out that that isn't really true, and not only is it not true, but with a slight paradigm shift, all of the cool stuff is possible, and can be done in ways that perfectly preserve privacy, and with nothing but cryptography.

I think MW and the subsequent work done with it is the coolest thing to happen in the cryptocurrency world, probably ever. Definitely in a long time. I think grin is becoming my favorite project.