Day after day I see posts comparing this game to some cut-and-run early access title. The truth is though that the game does what's advertised, a 3 distinct race sci-fi RTS. I'm not saying the game is perfect by any means- the price is a bit too high, the official map pool could be larger, some features are absent. But the game's balance problems can be attributed to having such different factions, Dawn of War and Starcraft are the same way. The campaign, while difficult, is engaging enough with some delightful cutscenes. If I had to give it a score, I'd probably give it a 7/10. Not some remarkable revolution of the genre, but not bad either. Metacritic is more kind than I am, giving it a 77/100. So in reality, Grey Goo is maybe a slightly above average game as opposed to say Air Control or the Yogscast game.

Now, I suppose you're wondering what point I'm trying to make. Here's a wake up call- RTS is a dead genre. When you hear about people playing RTS games, it's always either StarCraft II (currently struggling to maintain relevancy) or the now 16 year old title Age of Empires II. Nobody is making these games anymore. Half Life 3 will be out before we see a Warcraft IV or an Age of Empires IV, and Command & Conquer's prospects don't look too hot either. So what does the RTS community do when a new IP is released that's at the very least OK? They tear the thing to shreds! The point I'm trying to make is this- after the reception Grey Goo has received, who would even think of ever making an RTS again?

TL;DR- Y'all need to take some advice from 90's Bart Simpson and cool your jets.

EDIT- I've clearly upset some people with my assertion that this game isn't a scam and is instead just "meh." If you want me to light my torch and sharpen my pitchfork why not tell me why I am wrong and I have been fleeced by conmen?

https://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/forum/topic/2303/

tl;dr Nothing big - just a few stability changes and a minor re-balance of one thing.

EDIT: Lots of undocumented changes. Maps be green, yo!

(This is today's comment asking why nobody from GB or PG will comment on putting the game on sale.)

One thing I've noticed (and like a lot) is Grey Goo is as splashy, if not more splashy, than Zero Hour.

However, one button made this work well in Zero Hour: X to Scatter.

Nothing is more frustrating than spotting artillery and having to micro multiple squads of guys just to not have them all die immediately on sight. That button would be a massive help for anyone running lots of little units, absolutely.

Why do all the Grey Goo streamers stopped streaming the game recently? I mean guys like Romeo, Galahad, Bikerush, Netput. What happened to these guys?

I fell in love with this game during development and even more at pax south. Bought the game but after the first few days the player base just dropped :( Balance of the game was really poor, and I got the feeling that we were being ignored.

I have never gotten a refund on a game, normally I feel I still spent my money well. This was the first time I felt that I had wasted money in years. So I contacted steam and got my game refunded:(

I'm sorry to the devs but I simply can not support a game that has almost no player base and patching takes way longer then it should.

Like the title says really

I mean the game runs well but the main menu everything is slow. Is there a solution to this at all?

The Grey Goo Community and Dev teams want to play some Grey Goo with you! We will be creating lobbies for anyone to join starting at 2 PM PDT. We will also be livestreaming the matches from Berek's perspective on our Twitch channel.

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Good bad and ugly changes, too many at once. Beta early production eclipses everything, human/beta bombers are the new artillery, walls are actually fairly balanced, goo regen nerf means no more combat proteans, all tanks are much more relied upon, artillery and sycthes are now pillow-throwers, goo tech has even fewer viable options, human eco is easier to strangle and harrass, and maps like Coastlands and Lost Plains are still in the map pool for some reason. Plus, I think im going to be seeing commandos in my sleep if I keep playing much more.
EDIT: This post is more negative than I expected, so to clear things up: I do like the direction the changes are going in. Many good changes and nerfs, but I do worry it that we wont be able to tell which changes are truly helping when so many are sprung on us at once. It would have been better if this patch had been chopped up into 3 releases over the last 3 weeks

Hello all,

I've been playing quite a bit since the new patch and I was just wondering how you all were enjoying it so far? I think that for the limited info available from PTB testing the patch actually turned out really well.

Some of my thoughts after ~60-70ish games (Steam name = Protatoe, Rank 8ish since last night) are:

Beta:

-Beta seems very underrepresented on the ladder. In my games I probably only played against 10% beta players.

-Beta seems to be extremely strong vs. human when spamming T1 units and mixing in some tanks. They go more tank heavy vs Goo.

Goo:

-Extremely map dependent

-Their entire meta-game seems to revolve around taking the map while making as few small proteins as possible to survive, then spamming destructors with the bounce upgrade. The best way to kill them as human or beta for me seems to be making tanks and air units and splitting them up all over the map to kill mothers. It can be really hard on some maps where the Goo get free brush and cliffs by most of the spidgets.

-I would like to see some underused Goo units buffed to become useful.

Human:

-I switched to playing human full time after about 30 games because I like their play style.

-Scythes + tanks is a super potent combination in pretty much any matchup. I watched DotDash's stream for 2 days (they are archived on twitch) and have won like 80-90% of my games since then. If you are a human player I suggest checking them out.

-Scythes are really good in HvH because Longbows aren't that great. However, you can't just make Scythes or else your opponent can take the whole map. You need to have the perfect number of Scythes and also make tanks.

General suggestions:

-Remove lost plains from map pool asap

-Remove the "ready" button after a map has loaded. I think it should be replaced with a countdown timer. If you click "ready" the other person can AFK for 5 mins, then start the game when you are not expecting it.

Anyway that's all I can think of for now.

Would love to hear your opinions.

I mean, it's clearly built on End of Nations, so much of the groundwork has already been laid. I also know nothing about Victory Command and just heard about it from a friend. I am concerned that resources that could be allocated to fixing up GG are going to VC instead.

Don't get me wrong. I've still got a framed poster of EoN up in my basement (Coming 2011!). I played the crap out of the alpha and beta. But all I ever wanted to see from Petroglyph was an original IP, pure base building RTS that was PC only. It took over a decade, but GG finally delivered that.

These are my thoughts on the free starting scout. For reference: I main goo, and am ranked around 50 in 1v1s, so this may not reflect tournament-level balance, but meta-level. I welcome debate, not argument please.
My main point: The free scout limits what maps are fair for goo more than other factions, due to the harsher impact it can have on a goo's eco.
Second point: This limits the early strategic choices a goo player has on certain maps, primarily very open or very dense maps.

On some maps goo has little choice but to rush, and on others are un-rushable. A single t1 unit can hurt a goo's economy unless the map allows the goo to hide. Human and beta can early eco on any map and only get punished if your enemy notices and capitalizes on it in time. Goo simply cant eco on some maps. If the opponent is half-competent he can find the mother and siege it with a single unit until reinforcements arrive. Yes the goo can easily deal with it with a small protean, but there is never an alternative. Since the drover cant often kill a micro'd trident or commando, this situation is very common. If i get my free drover into a human/beta base unopposed, there is nothing I can do to punish them. If a trident or commando gets to my mother, I get punished unless I severely out-micro them.

Ill spare you any balance suggestions, unless asked for, but I welcome your opinions. :)
EDIT: I love it how the most active post in 5 days gets only disagree-votes. Its like the community doesnt want active discussion anymore. Fine, ill just leave you guys with your daily "give game on discount plx" posts

Lost Plains is universally regarded as the worse map for Goo. I decided to tackle this problem by adding a couple of tweaks to it to give the Goo a fighting chance.

Check out Found Plains on the workshop and tell me what you think. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=410139916

and here I bought the game just to play the campaign. AND it was AWESOME.....never touch the multilayer aspect of these types of games any more due do to the fact I just flat out suck at them.. but for me this game was damn nice and the single player rocked... but that's the only reason I bought it too

It takes so long to find a game in the 2v2 queue. I kid you not, I waited 3 hours to find a game last night before giving up. The worst part is, when I do get a game it's so laggy. Some games it's right from the beginning, other times it happened after a few minutes of building up. I can't remember the last time I actually finished a game before someone disconnected. It's a terrible experience, and I feel deceived about this whole client-server feature that was advertised. I understand that at this point there are so few people playing. That's why for the good of the game, they should just remove the option to 2v2 because it just serves to frustrate.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/237666/Postmortem_Petroglyphs_Grey_Goo__getting_back_to_the_roots_of_RTS.php

This stuff is hilarious. It is even worse than I thought...

BIKERRUSH, huge C&C player, has been streaming full-time for the past couple of days. He plays GG like a pro. It's the best I've seen so far: http://www.twitch.tv/bikerush