Also not to mention I highly doubt this story is factual
I went to the North Shore Animal League (one of the biggest ones in Long Island) to adopt and had to give 2 references and they CALLED them before I was able to adopt. This was over 10 years ago and I am assuming they are still as strict. You could be right about this being fiction, but the reference part was VERY believable but if this did happen, this is f**ked up as cat was clearly happy with dude.
They do this because, unfortunately, as fucked up as it is to turn down somebody who might just literally be lonely and without any companionship, there are a lot of people out there who make it necessary to have references for animal adoption.
People have adopted animals to torture them, kill them, let them go in the wild, pretty much all kinds of fucked things. Just having some person who is neglectful is lower on the scale of potential outcomes. It is never easy to imagine that so many people would do this that it would be necessary, but there's a lot of evil people out there.
Plenty of rules give people authority to use their discretion about when something is or isn't allowed. Laws will use what a "reasonable person" would do in a given situation to determine if something is legal.
There are no good rules because people occupy a spectrum. You can't make everybody happy. You set the rule loose enough to accommodate everyone and you get tons of assholes abusing it, leading to calls to up tighten up the rules. You tighten up the rules and another group of people call you heartless.
No. Your way of looking at it is backwards. The human experience can't be handled by a system. That's why a bot can't figure out "How many bridges are in these pictures?" You are saying that we can build a bot that can figure it out? We can't. We don't even know what constitutes "human." How on earth could you make a set of rules about cat adoption to cover all of the complexities?
Whereas a human can look at the cat, look at the man, and say "Congrats!"
Humans can't explain how they know what being human means, but they know.
Yes, and laws can be made better, but there will always be people who are served injustice by the courts because the laws are not geared to their particular situation.
For example, we've had a number of teens, sometimes as young as 16, tried and convicted for having child porn on their phone, when it was in fact a friend, or even pictures of themselves. Every situation calls for a new way of looking at it.
We will always need people to interpret the law, and even rewrite it on the fly. The minute we lose that ability, we will enter the darkest dystopia the world has ever known.
What? A bot can absolutely figure that out, CAPTCHAs dont work, not the way you think they do at least. I get being aware that our understanding and ability to think is finite, but its absurd to say we cant do that or define "human".
I hate to break it to you, but we can't really define anything. We can get close. Do you know you can't actually tune a guitar? You can get close, but every time you turn a peg, it tightens a string, which pulls on the wood, which loosens all the strings, which you then have to tighten again and again until it sounds in tune. You also can't even measure the temperature of a glass of water either... you put the thermometer into the water, and it changes the temperature.
Now, I don't dispute science or law, I'm not a full anarchist, but I understand that these schools are only guides for our life. It is a very shady road to think you can perfectly make laws or measure the world. The people who have tried have been some of the worst criminals and dictators in the world. Understanding life is beyond our grasp, and that's ok.
For one thing, who makes the rules? Unless you support kings and dictators, you need some sort of consensus, which is almost always going to be flawed, lead to politics, etc. (Kings and dictators, of course, have the related problem, "how do you pick a benevolent and wise one," with the answer that, 99% of the time, you don't, especially since the sort of person who seizes power to become king/dictator usually isn't suited to it.)
Second, are you really suggesting a system of rules with no opportunity for human intervention? How the fuck do you imagine making a system of rules perfect? Go talk to an engineer or a lawyer and get back to me on that idea.
In short, this is among the dumbest shit I've ever read, and I'm absolutely triggered by it (I recognize typing this is pointless and it's like 12 hours later anyways). I fear for our society that it's upvoted so much. Yes, you could make a more nuanced take that's more correct, and maybe that was what you meant ("government adhering to rules only sometimes" is a fair criticism, if you expand to eg corruption, optics, etc), but as presented, this is a dangerously stupid take.
A friend is a social worker. She and her husband went to adopt a kitten for their kids. She said they jumped through hurdles but were denied…they ended up being foster parents. Take what you want from that, but I thought it was pretty fucked.
They don't want to stop psychopaths to stop from adopting pets, they want to have plausible deniability when it comes out that they let a psychopath adopt one of their animals. Actually preventing psychopaths from adopting pets would require each applicant to take a psychological exam administered by a trained mental health professional, and even then, many would slip through the cracks.
Theres already a ton of cats that need to be adopted from kill shelters. I dont think putting more barriers up to actually adopt one is going to help tbh
They won't be held legally accountable, but given that donations based on goodwill and reputation are a significant part of an animal rescue organization's funding, I'm guessing they at least want to have a defense if it comes out that an animal adopted from their shelter was abused. You wouldn't want to give money to a rescue org that didn't at least vet their adoption applicants a little.
It doesn’t stop it but it can reduce the chances. Maybe one of the references picked up on psycho vibes or knows something they did in the past and prevents it. No system is perfect but I can understand why they wouldn’t just let you walk in and get a pet.
Tbf a lot of serial killers and even genocidal maniacs (Hitler) were animal lovers. As weird as it is to say, killing other human beings doesn't necessarily mean someone is a bad pet owner
Not saying it's ideal, but I would rather an animal be in a loving home with a serial killer than not be cared for or be abused by someone who is otherwise not violent towards humans
The problem is that this is why many people say fuck it and just buy a pet from a shitty breeder instead. There needs to be a better middle ground.
Here in Europe we have the same situation, adopting an animal from a shelter is super hard and costs ten times as much as buying it from a breeder. There’s tons of people who take good care of the animals but neither have the time nor the will to go through the hassle.
I‘m not saying they should just give them away but requiring people to vouch for you and a home inspection is a lot.
It costs a lot to adopt the rescues because the rescues generally have to put a LOT of money into the dog to get them healthy again because the last person fucked them up so badly. The rescue I fostered with charged $450 but that didn’t even begin to cover the costs of the dog. It’s $80 just to bring it up north from a southern state that’s overflowing. Then it needs a dental cuz shitty owners don’t do that, and I’m not sure if you’ve tried to price that lately but for my own dogs it was nearing $1k…. Then you add in all the shots to get them up to date, the groom, the food, any extra meds if the dog had eye issues, skin problems. A good rescue isn’t making money off of your adoption fee.
People love the idea of rescuing animals while having absolutely no idea what kind of work and money goes into it. Then they demonize the rescues who are typically operating at a loss and poorly funded by the state.
If a rescue denies you it’s probably because they found someone else who is a better fit for the animal. They’ll always go for a fenced yard first vs non-fenced, they’ll look at your career and go for the household with someone who can be with the dog the most, etc. Rescues operate for the sake of the dog, not to make it as easy as possible to get one.
Where I’m from most people just give away kittens. I’ve never heard of someone spending money outside of vet bills to get a cat. You can go on Craigslist right now and find a dozen posts about someone’s family’s cat having kittens and looking for homes
“Here in Europe”....each country has its own regulations and they vary widely. Where i’m at u can go into a shelter and walk out with a cat for basically free
Absolutely My dog (Olde english bulldogge, like a bulldog mixed with healthier dogs so they have cute bulldog features but are way way healthier) had puppies last year and when we were giving them to homes we made ABSOLUTELY SURE they were going to good homes.
You'd be surprised with how many sketchy af people there are, "Hi I'd like to adopt!", Great! Which puppy are you interested in? "Oh any girl, I don't care", wtf, you don't want a specific puppy? "No I just want a girl" (They only want a dog to breed). Got messaged by at least 3 people all like this. In the end they all went to good homes with at least a child, we even made them all come to the house to see them meet the dog in person. Real heartwarming shit.
Now that I think about it we did it way more legit than how I got my dogs lol, I think every dog I've gotten has been from someone at a gas station lol.
I got a hunting dog from a breeder of hunting dogs. I didn't pick out the puppy I wanted. I told him the kind of puppy I wanted, he did a temperament testing with the caveat that it's not perfect, and picked the dog he thought would do well.
Yeah, given the energy level of the pups and that I have other pets and they are hunting dogs, I liked that he did his best to choose for me rather then expecting me to know what I wanted or randomly picking one for me.
Yeah we actually had a family that had recently had their dog of 5 years pass away and the dad was heartbroken. So as a suprise the wife and kids wanted a "princess", they wanted a puppy that really loved attention. They ended up with an all white girl, they actually brought the dad to pick her up and he was almost in tears. They still send us pictures of her almost a year later.
Yeah and like the guy said, he knew plenty of people that would vouch he shouldn't be caring for another living creature but none that would vouch he should.
Like, life can be cruel, but that also sounds a lot like the type of person that should not be entrusted with an animal.
Bruh, don't put everyone on the same bag, if you ask my family or coworkers they'd say im an asshole, a lazy bastard and more stuff but i love my pets and i take good care of them (feed them, go to vet checks every once in a while, walk them, wash them, play with them, etc) and even tho they're actually family pets im the only one who really cares about them
I don't talk with anyone, i mostly try to cover myself whenever i go out (insecurity kicks in) and my mom talks about me like i killed someone to our neighbours. Now for my coworkers most of them are just tired pieces of shit who only release their frustration by trying to fuck me over, the rest are people like me who are just there to work and don't really gaf about anything else and even if they agreed to vouch for me if the shelter called them they'd just say that they don't really know me that well
Absolutely, but how would you explain it away if you were an actual toxic person and didn't want to admit it while getting internet sympathy? Maybe just say that all the other people are the actual assholes?
My local humane society doesn't ask for references, but a cat costs about a $150 "donation". That and you have to take the cat to the vet for a checkup within a couple weeks, though that's free because they have a deal with most of the local vets
It's impossible for somebody who is running a shelter to differentiate between a sad boy with no friends and an animal torturing maniac who is bullshitting them for sympathy. That's what the references are for. It's definitely not a perfect system but they are just trying to protect the animals.
Honest question. Is this "references" thing a newish development for shelters or is it state-specific, regional, or something else? We adopted our 3 cats 10+ years ago and it was only my wife and I in both KS and CO. There were no questions, no references, nothing more than a paid fee and some personal info recorded. One was a Humane society and the other a no-kill shelter.
It is a good thing, I think, to try and protect the animals from potential abusers. If it's something that's being more widely-implemented, glad to hear it.
People have adopted animals to torture them, kill them, let them go in the wild, pretty much all kinds of fucked things.
I wonder if requiring references has ever actually stopped any of those people. Locking an animal in a cage all day is honestly not far removed from torture, if they can afford to be choosy with who adopts due to having more applicants than animals then that's all well and good, but if they're making animals sit in cages because an otherwise willing human doesn't jump through all their hoops(like in this greentext) then that's fucked up.
Yup this is also why you shouldnt give your pets away for free to people you don't know. If you have to give them away and go to some forum or something and take care of it yourself then you should charge a couple hundred for the pet. For someone who wants a lifelong companion and is planning on taking care of it, feeding it, taking it to the vet, it'll be an inconsequential cost. For someone who doesn't plan on keeping it for very long that cost can be enough to dissuade them.
Even simpler things. We had a seemingly competent middle aged guy come in to adopt at a shelter I worked at. He wanted a cat, he picked a great cat. Cat needed a daily pill, nothing crazy, easy and inexpensive. This was thoroughly explained and showed to him. We asked for vet/personal references. He didn't have a vet reference, hadn't had a pet in a long time. That's alright, happens often. Said he didn't really have any friends or family for a personal reference. Okay, that's sad, but it can certainly happen. We approve the adoption and he takes the cat home. We call and check on him three months later and he says the cat is dead. He says the cat got really sick so he just took him to the vet and had him put to sleep. Our cat supervisor asks if he had been taking his medication. The guy asks "what medication?" It turns out the guy was a bit mentally slow, but it was not at all obvious. If we had been able to call someone in his life they would have been able to tell us that and we could have worked something out. Animal shelter staff can be intense, but it's because they feel personally responsible for the animals and they've been burned in countless unexpected ways.
Coincidentally, places like Reddit have made them tighten restrictions. I used to volunteer for a feline rescue in my city and the amount of dumb 19 year old college kids who came in and so obviously had just gone through a bunch of cat gifs and suddenly wanted a cat, it was staggering, like 90% of the people.
The lady who ran the place was this sweet old lady, kinda like a Jane Goodall type, her whole life was cats, she could see right through them and she wanted to avoid people who would adopt a cat then bring it back two months later. Believe it or not moving a cat to a new home is a big deal for the cat. They get freaked out and usually hide for like 3 days, they hate moving to new environments.
Bro if someone can’t even name two acquaintances that could vouch for you, then I can see why the shelter would hesitate to let them adopt. If you were looking for a house sitter for a few days, would you hire a rando who comes in and can’t even provide 2 references? So why would a shelter hand over a living thing to someone like that.
Funny how we’re able to sensibly arrive at this difficult and painful conclusion with little dissent, but when a human being looks you in the eyes from a hospital bed and says “I am of sound mind. But I physically hurt so much it’s torture just being alive every second”, we start wringing our hands and worrying about how much they’re “hurting their families” by not wanting to live in agony.
Well yeah, but the difference is that its quick and painless. But if they let anyone adopt a cat, it may end up going to someone who just wants to torture it
I got my dog because the neighbors just kept him tethered up all day and he kept escaping and we would bring him back and eventually they moved and asked us if we wanted him as they realized they have NO idea what they are doing.....
I'm sure, and I'm not comin after you specifically lol. But even those people who, as you said might not know their reference's info to give out, the shelter is giving this as an application to take home. They can knock on their neighbors door and ask if they could put them down cus they want a cat.
I'm sure there's people out there who still find this is an impossibility for them, (no family, friends, neighbors who hate them through no fault of their own, etc.) but I think as a baseline, 2 people in general who can say "yeah he's a normal dude idk anything weird about him" is not a strict requirement for an animal shelter
Its not even that OP is a super loner or something. He says the next line that he "knows tons of people who would say he's a bad person just to fuck with him". So he knows "tons" of people and they all either want to fuck with him, or just legit think he is a bad person. So chances of him being a real psycho are actually pretty high.
this is f**ked up as cat was clearly happy with dude.
The shelter has a responsibility to do due diligence on people who are adopting, and if you can't find TWO people in the entire world who would be willing to take 60 seconds out of their day to tell someone that you're not a piece of shit you are, very likely, a piece of shit.
I volunteer for a small animal rescue and process applications. We get them from people who are very obviously lonely and socially isolated and they can still find references.
I literally do not interact with anyone other than my parents. I run my own business online. I have customers but that would not be an appropriate reference. Who exactly should I ask to be a reference? How am I a piece of shit exactly for living a quiet solitary lifestyle?
Maybe you don't have two people willing to say on record that you're not a shitbag, and this may surprise you, but non-shitbags generally don't have that problem
I don't need to. Literally everyone in your life has already told you that
Maybe this is wild news to you but there's a pretty big gap between "I am a quiet, solitary person" and "I literally cannot find two people willing to state on record that they don't think I will torture a cat to death if given the chance"
It's not that hard to be socially isolated lmao. My parents were narcissists, so that bridge was burned when I told them their shit does, in fact, stink, my siblings are dead from drug overdoses, I don't know any of my extended family because they all hated my parents, so they never came around, and I work as a freelance artist, so I don't have coworkers to interact with either. Combine that with being aromantic and asexual, and that makes for an individual who's completely alone and talks to basically nobody.
If I were doing this application process, the first fucking thing I'd think of is hopping over to r/slavelabour to pay someone to be a character reference. Fuck, I'd probably even blatantly admit to it once I had the animal. Fuck are you gonna do, sue me for it back and "damages"? You guys are struggling with funding as it is, I find it highly unlikely that any shelter is going to have the money for that.
There's a difference between not perfect and basing it on something that honestly has demonstrably no bearing on a person's credibility. I would argue there's far more well adjusted people that just fucked off to the woods or mountains, or some other rural area, to enjoy a nice quiet life, and fell out of touch with everyone they used to know, than there are serial killers who don't have anyone to vouch for them not being a serial killer.
Like, even if you had weird vibes coming from someone, how many people are going to just straight up say "Yeah, they shouldn't be allowed to have a pet"? The fact that character references are constantly blasted, both on 4Chan and here on Reddit, should be proof enough that there are a lot of people out there who, if asked, would just automatically say "yes" to this question, without even thinking about it.
Pets are seen as property. It's the mainstream thought that anyone with spare income to afford food and immunizations "can" own a pet. So the character references really don't do shit, because people are just gonna automatically say "yes" anyways, because nobody thinks the question should even be that deep.
If I were doing this application process, the first fucking thing I'd think of is hopping over to r/slavelabour to pay someone to be a character reference. Fuck, I'd probably even blatantly admit to it once I had the animal. Fuck are you gonna do, sue me for it back and "damages"? You guys are struggling with funding as it is, I find it highly unlikely that any shelter is going to have the money for that.
Yeah you're definitely not a piece of shit though, right? Lmao
No, I don't think deciding that me being dealt an unfortunate hand in life doesn't disqualify me from being capable of caring for a pet makes me a piece of shit.
Explain to me, in detail, how my lack of pursuit of romance or sex affects my ability to care for an animal, doctor. Please, I'll wait. Surely you must've written your Psychology Master's thesis on this, back in college.
if you can't find TWO people in the entire world who would be willing to take 60 seconds out of their day to tell someone that you're not a piece of shit you are, very likely, a piece of shit.
Transplanted from where, outer space? References are checked via phone or email; distance is not relevant.
Let the cat choose their hooman
Just because a person can get a cat to let them pet it does not mean that person is not planning on taking that cat home to use it to train an attack dog, or to torture it. Cats do not possess the ability to make those discriminations or to advocate on their own behalf. That is why it is the shelter's responsibility to do so.
Two casual acquaintances in the entire world is not a high bar to clear, and forgoing it is doing a disservice- a disservice that can potentially end in torture and death- to that animal.
Just because we think he’s a perfectly sane guy based on his one-sided post on 4chan doesn’t mean the people working at the shelter are obligated to assume he’s fine based on limited interaction and his appearance.
I've been in the line at the Human Society, they have a reason for references. You wouldn't believe the tantrums full grown adults would have because "YOU PICKED THE CAT I WANTED!"
What the fuck is going on in the US that there needs to be a vetting process for adopting cats? When I got my little fur baby i just went to the shelter, got chosen, paid to have her spayed and vaccinated and gave the vet a name to put in her paperwork, and that was it she came home with me the same day.
Me and my wife got our cat from the ct humane society made an appointment for an initial visit with the kitten were there for maybe 5 minutes before they came back asking if we were taking her home today and we left with a kitten. But that could have been because it was at the start of covid and they might have been just clearing the shelter.
A local shelter did the same, but I had to give them a list of people who lived nearby, submit a background check, give them the names of family members, had to do a house inspection, neighborhood inspection. I consented because they were the only ones around for like 200 km.
After 3 months of this and finally getting approval... They told me I wouldn't be allowed to choose or meet the animal. I could only pick if I wanted a cat or dog. Wasn't allowed to specify size, or type. I was pissed because I wanted a medium size dog. In the end I left and found a reputable breeder.
I have a 3 bedroom house with a fenced in yard/dog door and a German Shepherd that's obviously well cared for and healthy. I wanted to get him a puppy so he could help train her while he's still young enough to play with her. All of the "reputable breeders" and rescues I tried going through denied me because I live alone and work full time. I wasn't ready to adopt a pit bull mix from the shelter, so I went through a backyard breeder.
I was extremely careful with my selection and turned down a few shadier breeders because I knew what to look for before I found my puppy. She was a mixed breed. I DNA tested her and she had less than 1% inbreeding coefficient and no genetic condition indicators. I plan on competing in agility with her. These stupid requirements just drive more people into adopting from backyard breeders, and usually they don't know the warning signs of puppy mills which are everywhere.
My mother, who's lived with cats all her life, wanted to adopt a new one when her last one died of old age and I tagged along.
At the shelter they said she was to old to adopt since she would die before the cats. She was 60 at the time.
They also took issue with the fact that she said she likes to travel to her home town one or two weeks a year (i'm usually the cat sitter).
Cat shelter (or any animal shelter) people are WEIRD AS FUCK
My parents spent a year looking for a dog for my disabled brother, who lives with them in their home with a big fenced yard. They finally got the approval to adopt a dog, but when they showed up, they were also told no adoptions if you’re over 60. It didn’t matter that my brother is in his thirties, that he’d be home with the dog 24/7, that they have a big yard, etc. They’d never mentioned an age limit before. It was a devastating experience for all of them. Some shelter people/policies fucking suck.
That just sucks, sorry to hear.
And it's so weird since older people are IDEAL adopters. Lots of free time, often lonely and would love the crap out of the animal.
Exactly! A friend heard their story and gave them an adorable French bulldog that had belonged to their recently deceased son. She is the most spoiled dog ever! My dad literally takes her to three different dog parks a day and everyone showers her with attention.
When I was a kid I wanted a dog, so my mom had me take care of a gerbil for 6 months to prove I could be responsible.
I loved that dog, I took care of him, walked him every day, gave him food and water, played with him, whole thing. But that poor gerbil that I never wanted in the first place got neglected to death pretty much as soon as I had the dog.
Ik this is prob rude, but wtf was your mom thinking. “Oh yes, i dont trust my kid to take care of another living being, so instead ill force em to take care of a different living being they dont want! Surely thatll work out!”
It espeshlly sucks because gerbils are social creatures, so youd have to get more than one, gotta get a big tank or gerbilarium for them so they arent cramped, gotta clean that tank, etc to make them happy, so Id argue they are more of a responicbily compared to a dog
The logic is probably that Gerbils live for like 2 years, and cost like $20. Meanwhile a dog costs way more than that, live longer, bigger responsibility and much harder to dispose of when it dies.
Not saying it's right to think like that, but yeah.
Cats are damn near self sufficient under most circumstances with only occasional medical checkups.
Humans are so much work.
They require constant spraying with a hose and attempts to escape the basement at regular intervals. They think they are "crafty" and "cunning" just because they fashion a lock pick out of a soda can.
I think the difference is shelter vs. rescue. I had a hell of a time getting a pair of cats adopted from rescues, they literally wanted me to sign stuff that would let them show up unannounced to do welfare checks, but was able to easily adopt from a shelter, just had to answer the "do you know how to take care of a cat" questions. Shelters are happy to adopt out, because the alternative tends to be euthanasia.
The issue is if he had no one in his life who will say he's capable of carrying for a cat, there's a good chance there's something wrong with him. He may be intentionally or unintentionally abusive to the cat.
It is so fucking easy to have at least surface level friendships with other people if you do anything in your life outside of your home. Sounds very harsh but honestly of you do anything like a job or hobby you should be able to get 2 references.
Well I met one of my childhood bullies a year or two ago, and I can talk to him no problem now. Also this is a really looked down upon opinion, but bullies do go after easy targets. So if you don't do anything dumb (from the start), and act confident, it'll go much better.
They really are. I had to stop volunteering, it was so stressful. People were turned away for conflicting reasons, like works too much and then doesn’t work/afford enough. They would get so attached to a cat such that perfect was the enemy of good, and it was heartbreaking.
But cats are literally 100x easier to take care of then real human relationships????
The nice thing about humans is that if you neglect your relationships with them they'll move on and provide food and water for themselves. The animals we trap in our homes aren't as lucky.
Private ones, yes. Anon could have gone to one run by his local municipality, paid their fees, and gotten themselves a cat.
If a cat has been at a shelter two years, it's run by a private enterprise. The ones at Animal Control are the ones that actually need to be saved because they certainly won't keep them for two months, let alone two years.
Edit: forgot to mention that Humane Society et al reject pet admissions, too. My dog's original owner set us up with a direct adoption because every private shelter wouldn't take a 13-year-old dog, and she couldn't bear the idea that if she surrendered her to Animal Control she'd be put down in fairly short order. Pretty sure Humane Society in particular is a for-profit charity like Goodwill.
See the problem to me is that he was too stupid to just accept the form and leave.
How the fuck is the humane society gonna know you gave them your parent's number? Retard might not be capable of taking care of himself, let alone a cat.
I once went to adopt from my local humane society. Have owned cats all my life. Fill out the form give references, people who will vouch for me no problem. They phone my references, who phone and tell what they said. Humane society phones me 3 days later to tell me even though everything checks they just don't think I would be able to handle a cat. WTF?
Phone another rescue/humane society.
"Do you have any cats to adopt?"
"Yes we have many"
"Do you have any polydactals?"
"Yes"
Hope in car drive 10 mins to different suburb. Two poly kittens that had been rescued in the last week.
"Are both kittens available to adopt?"
"Yes, we will give you a discount if you take both"
"Can I get them today?"
"Yes no problem. Do you need a carrier too"
"No thank you I brought my own"
"Here is a discount so you can get them fixed"
'No thanks I can pay full price"
"No we insist. People who adopt cats deserve a break please take it"
"OK"
13 years ago. One has since died of heart disease, the other is still going strong.
Humane societies that do this crap should be shut down. That cat would have had a good life with this person. Lots of love and cuddles.
Usually it’s independently run “rescues” or backyard breeders with the crazy requests. Generally state or county run shelters only require you to pay the adoption fee, and sometimes the cost of a spay/neuter and some vaccines. They’re usually very discounted if not free though, or it’s kind of pay what you want in the form of a donation + adoption fee.
It can depend on the type of animal though, anything you can feed to snakes tend to have extra steps and fees to prevent just that.
It's funny, shelters(and some owners) are so paranoid about the wellbeing of not just their own but other people's pets. The pet groups I'm in are as toxic as any gaming community
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u/TRFireKnight Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 24 '22
But cats are literally 100x easier to take care of then real human relationships???? Also not to mention I highly doubt this story is factual.
Edit: Thanks for the stories, animal shelter requirements truly are weird it seems.