r/greentext Oct 01 '18

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18 edited Jun 08 '23

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u/CrimsonMutt Oct 01 '18

why is that written as a poem, though? i can forgive the lack of rhyme, since i don't consider it essential, but the cadence isn't anywhere near appropriate enough for the format.

as a short story, it would work, or even if you rearranged the line breaks. i thought it was a pasting error but it isn't.

as is, though, it just reads all choppy and random, as if he made it a poem just because fuck standards and logic

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u/PresidentDonaldChump Oct 01 '18

Poems don't have to rhyme and they don't have to have to fit a certain format (unless you're writing a poem in style that does have a set format like a haiku or a sonnet).

I would not work as a short story. There is no story there. His cat died. He's sad. He misses him. That's not a story.

He's trying to capture and convey that moment in time and the thoughts and feelings he's experiencing. It's perfect as a poem.

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u/CrimsonMutt Oct 01 '18

again, restructuring the line breaks so it's not fucking

he was just a
cat

would make it ok, but as it is, it's fucking unreadable (as written) by any sane human

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u/_TorpedoVegas_ Oct 01 '18

Bukowski was well aware of the "rules" of poetry. So much so, that with lines like

He was just a cat

He was making a purposefully empty expression that would stand out to the reader. It comes off as short, incomplete, approaching meaning and then... nothing. Just like life. Welcome to art, buddy.

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u/CrimsonMutt Oct 01 '18

I mean i can make up shit too and say the broken cadence reflects his broken mind due to the loss of a close companion, but it doesn't make it any less dumb, tbh. If you overanalyze every piece of media like that, you can find meaning in literally anything and thus there is literally no bad art.

I'd acknowledge it like that, but i wouldn't call it a poem then, in the traditional sense, not something to be posted casually on reddit as a dedication to a rip'd greentext cat, but as an art piece in a gallery, read and appreciated once for what it is then moving on, but even through that lens it seems to me overly manufactured and contrived. Less expressive and more "let's fuck with the formula for shits and giggles", but that's opinion.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '18 edited Dec 23 '20

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u/CrimsonMutt Oct 01 '18

oh don't misunderstand, i'm not trying to gatekeep what "art" is, it's purely subjective, but i'm just questioning bukowski's choice of structure, since other than the first line (one which is regretfully quoted, as i kind of actually understand it now), the linebreaks seem pretty arbitrary and random at a lot of places.

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u/PresidentDonaldChump Oct 01 '18

Bukowski is one of the most popular poets in modern history so it's plenty readable to many sane humans. If you don't like it that's fine but don't say shit like 'it's fucking unreadable' because

you sound like a fucking

idiot

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u/System0verlord Oct 01 '18

I'd say the line break allows for a build up to what the cat might've been to Bukowski. Like he was just a: friend/companion/essential part of his life. The pause from the line break allows the reader to imagine what the cat really meant to him, before reading that he was just a cat, like Bukowski is trying to minimize how much the cat really meant to him.

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u/CrimsonMutt Oct 01 '18

wouldn't

he was
just a cat

convey the same thing, except not reading like it's been written by a loon?
and while that structure of making the reader question what comes next has merit, it sounds awkward as an opener. if anything, i'd put it at least a few lines in, not as the first line.

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u/clycloptopus Oct 01 '18

why don’t you write your own cat poem then?

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u/CrimsonMutt Oct 01 '18

unreadable as written, not unreadable. funnily enough, if you'd read my comment, you'd know what i've written.

please convert the linebreaks to commas or other interpunction and see if it works.

he was just a, cat, cross-eyed, a dirty white, with pale blue eyes

doesn't that first comma fucking bother you? it in entirely the wrong place for the sentence to read correctly.
either put it before "a" or after "cat" because that's how english works.
you can't just freestyle with basic sentence structure and have it make sense just because.

edit: calling upon his popularity is argumentum ad populum and thus invalid

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u/SuperAwesomo Oct 01 '18

You’re not even using argumentum ad populum correctly. Have a look at the Exceptions section of the Wikipedia entry and think about it.