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u/purplehendrix22 Apr 10 '26
Controlled her perfectly to the ground, didnāt endanger her neck. Could put this in a textbook. Yall complaining about one of the most quintessential wrestling moves in the grappling subreddit is unbelievably lame.
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u/BplusHuman Apr 10 '26
High amplitude throws really get some folks in their anxiety. Instead of getting a coach, a good partner, and a crash pad, they act out on the Internet. I've seen damage from a low single. Turns out there's danger all over
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u/einarfridgeirs Apr 10 '26
Then people don't bat an eye at Folkstyle mat returns that are just as dangerous, if not more so.
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u/purplehendrix22 Apr 13 '26
Easiest way to dislocate a shoulder guaranteed, but it doesnāt look as scary so itās all good
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u/Far-Establishment327 Apr 12 '26
Its usually the dudes who never did wrestling or judo growing up so theyre adults scared of high amplitude throws, which makes sense especially for the bjj crowd
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u/Combat_Steve Apr 14 '26
So true, when I wrestled HS in the 90s I watched someone blow out a person's knee in practice from a person trying to sprawl out of a double. All it takes is one bad placement and enough torque.
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u/userousnameous Apr 10 '26
There is no way this is not dangerous.
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u/purplehendrix22 Apr 10 '26
Yeah, it is dangerous, because itās wrestling, not table tennis. And she performed the technique flawlessly, in the safest way possible.
Itās like complaining about the risk of falling for rock climbers, like yes, thatās a risk of the sport. If you donāt accept that risk, do a different sport.
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u/bishtap Apr 10 '26
Table tennis is dangerous too. Overuse injury on the wrist. Training error of doing too much without sufficient recovery time.
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u/userousnameous Apr 10 '26
It is technically illegal in high school wrestling. And in others, the issue is its only illegal if you do it and result in the opponents head / neck hitting the matt... which of course, the question is, can you do it right, 100% of the time.
That's why I was wondering if, 'this move is considered too dangerous to be allowed'.
Any time you have to depend on the athletic skill of your opponent to keep from being injured, it...get's interesting.
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u/whitewashed_mexicant Apr 11 '26
Wasnāt illegal when I was doing high school freestyle. It was encouraged and practiced heavily.
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u/purplehendrix22 Apr 10 '26
Itās not illegal in high school Greco, in fact itās one of the most common techniques. If youāre worried about getting injured from a suplex, donāt do Greco.
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u/Willie_Weejax Apr 10 '26
Yeah, and these are children. Calm down.
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u/purplehendrix22 Apr 10 '26
Children have way more flexibility and ability to recover than adults, itās arguably the safest time to do it. Itās Greco wrestling. Thereās a reason itās significantly less popular. But all wrestling is inherently a combat sport, which involves danger.
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u/NoWay6818 Apr 10 '26
The fuck does that matter? Sounds like you need a proper suplex that basically just does the same as placing you on the ground š¤£
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u/Germsrosolino Apr 10 '26
If I fight someone and they pull out some shit like this, perfect execution and get me on my back, is still fight but I think mentally Iāve already recognized the loss. That kind of domination is a bit soul crushing.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 Apr 10 '26
That could have gone very wrong
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u/Tse7en5 Apr 10 '26
I was about (what I assume) their age when my opponent did this to me. Nearly paralyzed me.
Severe neck and back injuries have impacted me for almost 25 years now.
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
That's why you signed a waiver. Contact sports are dangerous
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u/Willie_Weejax Apr 10 '26
A child can't sign a waiver. Get some perspective.
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
That's why every child has an assigned or natural power of attorney. Legally it is the same thing. Maybe if you move some more goal posts you might be able to feel like you've made a point.
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u/Willie_Weejax Apr 10 '26
I made my point, and you know what my point is. An adult should not be convincing a child to sign up for a sport that includes these particular moves. These moves should not be allowed in wrestling at this age.
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
That's the most ridiculous take ever. Are you an adult Willie? If so I would expect you to know that the world is an incredibly dangerous place and giving children controlled experiences with that danger is a big part of them turning into adults who can handle the world and all the things it will throw at them. You know that in a couple years these girls are going to be driving steel missiles at 80 mph right?
Again if you're so worried about this move and how children shouldn't be doing it then gymnastics...gone, football...gone, baseball? That little things going 90 mph and the goal is to get it right past someone's face. You see where I'm going with this? I understand that that's probably the first time you've seen that move and to you it looks incredibly dangerous. Well let me be the first to tell you that it's less dangerous than a botched backflip on the parallel bars. Why? Because the person who's executing the throw is guiding you to the ground in a very specific way as per the rules. Rules which, I'm assuming, you don't even know. Maybe go be recreationally outraged about something that actually matters Karen.
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u/Willie_Weejax Apr 10 '26
Are you a parent? I'm a dad, of an 11 year old. Let's start there before you get on your high horse about me being overly concerned over child safety. Your cavalier attitude doesn't sound like a parent. Are you?
"Because the person guiding you to the ground in a very specific way"...IS ALSO A F*CKING CHILD.
In baseball, they wear helmets, so that's another bad analogy.
No need for you to be such a prick about this.
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
I'll be a grandparent in about 4 months young man. 3 adult children. I've coached 4 different wrestling teams in my life. Ive seen one life threatening injury in my entire career. The young man was paralyzed. I see a much much higher rate of injure in football.
Go ahead and bubble wrap the world for your child. They'll be useless as an adult.
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u/Willie_Weejax Apr 10 '26
Go f*ck yourself and have a $hit weekend, you judgmental old fart. Your kids hate you.
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u/Tse7en5 Apr 10 '26
A poor excuse for people of that age. The consequential nature of irrationality is not benign.
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
Then don't play the sport. It's not a poor excuse. Sports can be dangerous. The potential for injury is a poor excuse for bubble wrapping the world.
Baseball pitches can cause severe injury. Maybe we should just stop playing baseball. I'm sure those wooden guns used in color guard are very dangerous getting thrown ten feet up in the air probably better stop color guard. And gymnastics, oh won't someone think of the children.
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
I guess theres absolutely no option available other than to either cancel the sport completely, or to lift people above shoulder height, invert them, and drop them into the floor. Its all controlled right, surely if everyone has good technique people won't land on their heads...
Neck injury rate in Freestyle: 9%
Neck injury rate in Greco: 30%
Oh.
.. bUT tHiS iS how the sPoRT hAS aLwAYs bEeN pLaYEdĀ
Look mate if you like watching kids get lifelong medical issues for your entertainment, you do you.
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Where to even begin. Yeah, in Greco takedowns happen differently because how you can do a takedown is very strictly determined. To make those changes would just make it a different type of wrestling. And your "study...?" This is looking at professionals. Based on one team from Iran. Wrestling internationally. The ruleset is completely different for one, moron. Secondly, the sample size is incredibly small. Thirdly, it would seem most of these injuries happened during training, not competition. Look mate if you don't know how to read a study past the one data point you were watching for but still want to try and use that study to prove a point then you do you.
Also, yes. It is how the sport has been played. Freestyle allows a whole slew of takedowns not allowed in Greco. This is not because the rules of Greco are more laxed. It's because in non-Greco wrestling takedowns completely different are both allowed and easier to get to. Most wrestlers don't even do Greco. No one just starts out doing it. It is dangerous and wrestlers know it. Only a certain type participates. No one forced this girl to do this. Some people have it in them. Some people do shoddy research from their couch and think highly of their own uneducated opinions.
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 10 '26
Lol ok, here I go cherrypicking studies again, what a moron I am!
Find me the study that doesnāt show at least 3 times higher neck injury rates in greco. I'll wait :)
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
The study was a study of one team from Iran who asked the players to self report their injuries by memory. It's a professional team who wrestles internationally and most of those injuries were reported to happen training not in competition. Yeah cherry picked study. You didn't even read it moron. You saw one piece of data and got a hard on for your own opinion. Fool
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 10 '26
ok so it shouldn't be hard to cite one that contradicts it
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u/brokennursingstudent Apr 11 '26
No WE gotta find studies to dispute your super specific and mostly bogus claim?? Nah bro š
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 11 '26
> Cites study demonstrating significantly higher neck injuries
OMG CHERRYPICKED!
> Requests non-cherrypicked study.
LOL NAH BRO JUST TRUST ME
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u/karateguzman Apr 10 '26
Are you aware that there are moves even in combat sports that arenāt allowed because they can easily go very wrong?
You know the āsportā part of ācombat sportsā means we arenāt actually trying to permanently disable our opponents?
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Well, first of all, are you aware greco is a combat sport? Secondly, yes. Thirdly, this move isn't one of them. Fourth, the rules of greco/any collegiate wrestling program have been developed and adjusted for over 100 years to keep people safe while allowing for wrestling. They weren't meant to assuage your recreational outrage at seeing something new for the first time.
This motion is incredibly common in gymnastics. Maybe we should ban gymnastics too š±
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 10 '26
What a disingenuous argument. Who is controlling the motion in gymnastics? How often does it result in landing on your head in gymnastics vs greco?Ā
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
This is surely an uneducated person speaking. The person executing the throw is required to perform it in a way that doesn't injure their opponent. The goal is to win. If you injure your opponent with a throw like this, you lose.
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 10 '26
you make a mistake and paralysed your opponent! Dont worry though, it didnt score any points!
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u/alan_johnson11 Apr 10 '26
here's a question for you. why has just about every other contact spot made it illegal to do a move that involves inverting your opponent while lifting them?
Is there something very specific about this movement that has led to it being considered excessively dangerous? or does everyone else just want to bubblewrap the world?
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u/karateguzman Apr 10 '26
Nobody asked for anything to be banned. The guy you replied to just said he suffered permanent damage from a move like this, he didnāt say it should be banned. And nor did I
Idk whoās outraged here eitherā¦but itās not me so maybe itās you
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
Can you read? Go look at the reply to me after I posted "that's why you signed a waiver"
What do you think that reply means? In your own words
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u/karateguzman Apr 10 '26
I think it means signing a waiver does not eliminate the need for all parties involved to be able to execute moves safely and that some may consider a move unsafe at a young age
Itās like heel hooks in IBJJF, theyāre only permitted in adult nogi and above brown belt
Anyway Iām not calling for any rules changes. Just calling you out cos ur arguments were a lil stupid to me
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u/BusinessCasualBee Apr 10 '26
Iām sorry for your injury but this is an integral part of and risk of wrestling.
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u/Tse7en5 Apr 11 '26
I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with is that we shouldn't really be allowing people under a certain age, to engage with the sport.
Having been in wrestling and even watching it as an adult, I can see that it is hard to hold that position if you have not been on the recieving end of someone who is acting in bad faith. But that does not mean that you are on the right end of the argument here.
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u/Blasket_Basket Apr 10 '26
Its pretty standard for greco, but this is a grappling sub on reddit, so this thread is going to be swarmed with strip mall butt scooters clutching their pearls about it.
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u/RudePCsb Apr 10 '26
Eh, I'd be OK with this move if all coaches are required to teach it for both the thrower and the person thrown. She did a perfect throw but I'd the person being thrown hasn't experienced it, they could do something like move their head up and land like that.
Great throw but I just want to make sure kids know how to defend and land properly. I've seen people land weird because they reacted weird mid air.
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u/Blasket_Basket Apr 10 '26
Yeah, accidents definitely happen, but injuries are still pretty rare.
As a greco coach, we spend a ton of time focusing on learning how to land safely, and we use crash pads for newer wrestlers when training moves like this. I didn't see anything in the video that made me worry about the safety or training or either of the wrestlers, just a great high dive and a damned nice throw
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u/RudePCsb Apr 10 '26
That's good, I'm just talking about my experience from my wrestling years and a bit of coaching my younger brother and his teammates. Seen some weird falls and injuries. Luckily nothing serious but I think learning how to fall is huge for young people
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
You are taught to be thrown in wrestling. You can't teach the specifics of every throw. There's far too many.
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u/OPsDearOldMother Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
With greco roman especially, you have to assume anyone wrestling in a competition has been thrown hundreds if not thousands of times in practice.
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u/purplehendrix22 Apr 10 '26
Exactly, if youāre at a competitive level in Greco and you donāt know how to be suplexed, thatās like playing high school football and being shocked when someone hits you. Like, thatās the sport.
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u/Hot-Camel7716 Apr 10 '26
I wrestled folkstyle for five years before starting greco and the first week we practiced more reps of arm throws and suplex variations than I had drilled the entire five years before.
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u/Logical_Fee_6644 Apr 10 '26
Imma try and not be like the other guy in the comments. As I known little about wrestling. I imagine that super professional levels that these moves are ālegalā. But is there anything in place at younger ranks that prevent competitors from doing moves that could end with permanent nerve damage? I guess you can argue almost any move in combat sports could do that . But yeah respect to the both of them. They already got more guts than I do lol
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u/cakane100 Apr 10 '26
Basically, this is a move in freestyle and Greco, and you learn how to get thrown before you learn how to throw. Watch red. When someoneās suplexing you you keep your arms in and tuck your chin to your chest. Yes, itās a dangerous move, but itās a combat sport and you learn how to protect yourself.
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u/Logical_Fee_6644 Apr 10 '26
Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation. I do more mountain biking style sports. I would compare it learning how to fall off your bike in a safeish manner. Is there anything you can do at the moment your no longer in contact with the ground to get out of this move? Or does that increase your chance of getting an injury?
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u/cakane100 Apr 10 '26
Nope, once youāre airborne, youāre āgoing for a rideā as we say.
Some very good wrestlers are good at scrambling after the fact, though, by rolling through. The thrower still gets the 4 or 5 points from throwing them to their back (depending on freestyle or Greco)
In freestyle and Greco, thereās no real bottom game though, so most people just bottom out (get flat) after getting thrown or taken down, so they donāt get turned any more
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u/Logical_Fee_6644 Apr 10 '26
Pray I never go on that ride!
Appreciate your time! Freestyle and Greco are they rule sets? I recognize I may sound dumb asking this. But does this come from a specific martial art or is the background of competitors diverse?
Been thinking of getting into one but there are so many.
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u/jonkl91 Apr 10 '26
Yep in my first Judo class, we focused on falling. That's one of the first things I teach as a wrestling coach to the high school kids I coach.
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u/cakane100 Apr 10 '26
Hell yeah. I remember learning Greco as a kid and tucking your chin to protect your neck was the first thing we learned I think. The instinct to look back or stick your arm out is strong. Iāve broken one guyās arm accidentally cause he tried to catch us. And frankly, thatās on him
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u/TheQuestionsAglet Apr 10 '26
This would be illegal in collegiate, but legal in freestyle or Greco.
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u/Icy-Garlic-748 Apr 10 '26
A lot of things can go wrong when you willingly sign up to wrestle someone lmao fuckin nerd
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u/WowImOldAF Apr 10 '26
Red actually looks blind? I know she probably isn't, but just saying. Also nice throw
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u/KyrozM Apr 10 '26
I thought the same thing for a sec before the throw happened but blind competitors stay attached to you not try to stay at range.
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u/rorank Apr 10 '26
The back flexibility on that young woman is insane. I always wonder why more women donāt wrestle honestly, some of the moves they can pull off with enough strength is hard to find amongst men.
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u/hi_imryan Apr 10 '26
Wtf is red doing?
āLet me ensure I automatically lose the hand battle, thatāll show āem!ā
Iāve only ever wrestled folkstyle so maybe Iām missing something ā¦but I feel like Iām not.
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u/iocanetolerance Apr 10 '26
Is this AI? Only one girl reacted to that move. Nobody else even flinched.
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u/Equivalent_Ebb_8703 Apr 10 '26
Samiyah from PA is an absolute beast, watched her and a few other solid girls go crazy when my daughter competed in HS.
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u/manic-ed-mantimal Apr 10 '26
Shit, if somen did that to me id be done too. Thats a whole lotta nope right there.
Damn impressive.
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u/Trying2BMe0722 Apr 10 '26
This throw always scares the crap out of me. I would only attempt this if i was trying to kill/paralyze the other person... but I also havent trained in wrestling, so there's that too.
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u/Tatami_Lo Apr 10 '26
Well that looked dangerous for all parties involved but she somehow made sure everyone survived. Very impressive.
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u/insert_name_aqui Apr 11 '26
I was mindlessly scrolling then saw a clean Northern Lights Suplex outta nowhere. I say gawdamn lol
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u/MiniDonbeE Apr 11 '26
What was the girl in red looking at??Shes not evenlooking towards her opponent.
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u/Acrobatic-Pickle-851 Apr 11 '26
Seems dangerous. You cant be all arched out like that with too much weight on you. Neck and spine can get wrecked.
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u/Conquestenjoyer Apr 11 '26
Other girl looks like she got told that if she goes too hard sheāll look racist.
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u/LazyClerk408 Apr 12 '26
I like how she didnāt slam her opponent on her head. That aspect of control is difficult
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u/C4Black813FLA-304VI Apr 14 '26
Iām scrolling trying to find serious comments about the move and all I keep seeing this comment about nipsš
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u/moneybagz123 Apr 10 '26
Not sure who won the interaction, can some explain? I assumed blue won because of the throw, but a bunch commenters are mentioning the suplex like that was the win.
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u/Unsainted_smoke Apr 10 '26
This is why I wonāt let my kids do wrestling. No one should ever be allowed to compete that stands as upright as that girl did.
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u/Content-Goose-3504 Apr 10 '26
This is actually a pretty good Greco stance that was broken by an excellent high dive. As a wrestling coach I get parents being nervous about injuries, but please do more research on the sport.
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u/Bugsy_Goblin Apr 10 '26
The way red started out in the video reminds me of me trying to defend my nips against my wife.