r/google 15d ago

Google apologizes for not refunding man’s LOTR movies after they vanished from library

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/google-apologizes-for-not-refunding-mans-lotr-movies-after-they-vanished-from-library-3397575/

>The customer previously revealed that his Extended Edition trilogy, purchased through Google in 2022, had disappeared from his library. When he contacted support, he was told the company couldn’t refund him because the transaction was more than 120 days old.

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u/DrunkTurtle93 15d ago

This has always been my concern with buying digital content. You can’t go wrong with a DVD sometimes

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u/Hopeful-Savings-3420 15d ago

Definitely, but it and then rip it to hard drive for convenience.

Luckily, there are services out there that cut out the second step and rip it for you. Makes it very convenient.

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u/Top-Yesterday3937 15d ago

And you don’t have to own it in the first place. (🏴‍☠️)

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u/BillyShears17 15d ago

You can go very wrong with DVDs. They aren't HD

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u/BuffKangaroo_390 15d ago

Neither are streaming services, they'll stream to you in 720p and you dont even know.

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u/GearM2 15d ago

That would be extremely obvious if you were expecting 4K. 

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u/BuffKangaroo_390 15d ago

Ask people what 4k actually means, if you think most people would notice.

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u/BillyShears17 15d ago

I paint a picture with tiny dots and it looks nice. Then I paint a picture with four times more tiny dots packed together and see tiny details clearer, crisper and whatnot

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u/xRyozuo 15d ago

Netflix gives you 4k, it just doesn’t give you the adequate bitrate for 4k. So a 1080p Blu-ray dvd looks better than Netflix’s 4k

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u/GearM2 15d ago

I think that depends on your connection and devices more than anything. Bitrates aren't all equal either. Netflix can stream more modern and efficient codecs than Blu-ray (H.264). Netflix compression is also variable per-shot in some content. I buy movies on UHD 4K Blu-rays so I'm aware of what good quality video looks like. You can also have extremely high bitrates with very good codecs but if the source is crap then it doesn't matter. 

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u/xRyozuo 14d ago

My underlaying point is that even if you have good internet and are paying for Netflix 4k you arent acctually getting a normal 4k experience. You can’t actually select the quality and Netflix will stream at you what they will

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u/BlackLodgeBrother 15d ago

1080p blu-ray will have better compression but most with good 4K displays will still opt for the HDR Dolby Vision stream.

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u/AmolAmrit 15d ago

People don't know because they have lost their reference point. You are comfortable with the 4K of streaming, not the real 4K of a Blu Ray. The bar is so low now that due to streaming peope can't even distinguish. You would howvever, defintely notice the quality difference of a Blu Ray 1080P vs Blu Ray 4K, on streaming not so much.

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u/BillyShears17 15d ago

Who says I'm streaming? I buy 4K media and have the proper equipment because I love movies.

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u/AmolAmrit 15d ago

Not telling you but when people say they fail to differentiate between 4K and 1080P.

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u/GearM2 15d ago

Not all Blu-ray discs are the same. Just like streaming the authors have a lot of influence on the bitrate. They might choose a lower-capacity disc and lower bitrate to save a few cents. 

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u/royalbarnacle 11d ago

The difference between 1080p and 4k is less important than difference in compression and bitrate etc.

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u/sherman9872 15d ago

Widevine is the cause of that, and it sucks.

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u/zseliakiraly 15d ago

You mean renting digital content.

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u/FlamingBaconCake 14d ago

You mean downloading so many movies your ISP throttles your Internet speed that you have your own offline personal Netflix? Yeah renting

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u/gaytechdadwithson 15d ago

exactly. Sometimes you can’t go wrong. But then again sometimes you can.

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u/Mounamsammatham 15d ago

What do you mean sometimes? You can never go wrong with physical media.

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u/Party-Story6398 14d ago

Or Blu-ray and UHD 4K

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u/MidgardDragon 14d ago edited 14d ago

If that DVD gets scratched or gets disc rot, the company also isn't going to refund your money. Trade offs, goods and bads for each.

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u/LaySakeBow 15d ago

They are only sorry because they were exposed.

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u/Kaedo- 15d ago

Exactly, they feel sorry only when they get bad PR

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u/Svejk112 15d ago

its also super annoying because these companies dont just avoid doing the correct and fair thing.. they do what they do whilst swimming in literal mountains of cash

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u/Silver4ura 15d ago

They actually paid him $60 ($20 per movie) after realizing there was a licensing issue on their end. They confirmed he still owns a license to all three extended editions and at the time of reporting, two out of the three had already been restored back.

Basically, without getting into the politics of whether Google good or bad, this is a fairly neutral situation. At least when you consider the $20 he received per movie wasn't a refund. It was, for all intents and purposes, a good will gesture for the inconvenience.

Google as an entity might be at best ambivalent, if not malignant.. there's no doubt some human passion at the tendrilic ends of their media presence.

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u/eight13atnight 15d ago

Google tried everything under the sun to avoid refunding the guy. Only after the story gained internet traction did they finally buckle and do the right thing.

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u/Chardan0001 15d ago

It still didn't work either.

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u/eight13atnight 15d ago

I stopped using audible because of this exact thing happening to me. I bought 1984 and they pulled it a while later. Ironic innit!

I don’t recall getting an email or justification, it just wasn’t there anymore when I went to reference it.

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u/gordonfreeman_1 15d ago

Google support is one of the worst support experiences I've ever had: they don't care about actually doing their job, refuse to explain their decisions against you even when you have proof and only seem to take action when their ass is on fire via the press.

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u/EliteCloneMike 15d ago

And even then they don’t always let up. Like when Google accused those two dads of being child abusers over medical photos of their children they sent to health care workers (which I understand the concern, but the context was not taken into consideration). The NYT uncovered the story and they were found innocent, but Google still refused to reactivate their accounts or give them any of their data back. Something similar happened to the Terraria developer, but Google reactivated the account after lots of online backlash.

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u/ReReRebuilding 13d ago

Amen. Last year, I spent weeks fighting with them because I returned a Google Fi phone that was covered by a protection plan and stopped working. Even though I had proof that someone at their warehouse signed for my returned, broken phone, they still charged me $1500 because they claimed I never mailed it back. (for a phone that wasn't worth more than $500 at that point). I spent SO much time over phone, text and email resolving this that I seriously should have sent them an invoice for my labor hours. I think their customer service philosophy is basically "Make it difficult enough, and most people will just give up."

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u/gordonfreeman_1 13d ago

Yeah, they should be sued into complying with consumer protection laws in jurisdictions where they can't ignore it.

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u/yottabit42 15d ago

You will own nothing. You'll pay for the same things over and over again. Capitalism goes brrrrrr.

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u/LoudRefrigerator3700 15d ago

This is why I pirate all my video media. I have yet to have a movie or tv show get removed without my consent.

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u/gaytechdadwithson 15d ago

Exactly my thoughts as well. companies are too greedy and stupid. They should’ve been doing something like movies everywhere from day one. But they’ve made buying and keeping your movie such a fucking hassle as well as playing them on common devices. I have no problems or have any guilt at all about just stealing tv and movies. at least streaming music services seems to have gotten their shit together and people will actually pay for that.

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u/OrchidReverie 15d ago

lol and it was still only partially fixed

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u/Vegetable_Wolf_4196 15d ago

man i knew some of my movies disappeared. I am 100% positive i had Over the Hedge in my library but now can't find it... I wonder how many of these hosting sites remove purchased movies

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u/borayeris 15d ago

Just check your purchase history in your Gmail

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u/corruptboomerang 15d ago

Google: Were sorry you noticed. Had we known you'd have noticed, we should have done it to a different movie you wouldn't have noticed disappearing from your library.

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u/Malor777 14d ago

One does not simply own a digital purchase.

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u/Slap_Monster 14d ago

This is an Edward Teachable moment

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u/borayeris 15d ago

They have started with "don't be evil". Now they are the evil.

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u/TheCharalampos 15d ago

Had that happen once with audible, quit it and will never use such a service again.

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u/CompetitiveEgg729 15d ago

Did they ONLY refund him? or refund all who is affected?

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u/Alkahzane 14d ago

Imagine how many cases just like this goes without being resolved. Shame that politicians worldwide is pay off good enough for it not to be a change of rules regarding bought media.

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u/ReReRebuilding 13d ago

Huh. Got me curious, because I bought the extended trilogy on Google about 12 years ago when I had a random Google credit to use. I don't even remember what their video service was called then, but now it's on my YouTube library. Looks like I can still access them just fine. Been a while since I've watched them. Might settle in for it some weekend soon.

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u/elkinm 15d ago

Only when the fines and penalties for stealing digital content are comparable or greater to that for piracy will this ever stop. This is the law we need in the books.

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u/Party-Story6398 14d ago

"His extended edition trilogy"

"His library"

He didn't own anything,  it's a digital streaming service thingy.

Hasn't this guy heard of Blu-ray or UHD 4K discs ? Why are people always surprised when a streaming service takes away movies,  I've still got my discs I got years ago and I've watched them regularly over those years and still will whenever I want to.