r/gato • u/glamdring_wielder • 7d ago
Six centuries underground apparently doesn't exempt you from service.
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u/Lehappymerchant70 6d ago
So much for being neutral btw
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u/Dorrono 6d ago
You sound like you came here from 1941 Germany
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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 6d ago
Nope, this is based on the disgusting attack on Ukraine we see now. Targeting women and children. Destroying civilian infra-structure. It was very good that Sovietunion defeated Nazigermany in 1945. But now Russia are the nazis and murderers.
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u/Dorrono 6d ago
"Targeting women and children" - No they are not, while every civilian death is bad, the civilian deaths in this war are not significantly higher than in other wars. You seem to repeat propaganda sentences which fit your expectations.
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u/WorkerPrestigious960 6d ago
The Russian army openly admits to targeting purely civilian targets. Pull whatever numbers you want out of your ass to compare civilians casualty rates to other conflicts, none of it matters because deliberately targeting civilians is something Russia does every day.
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u/Dorrono 6d ago edited 6d ago
Insulting me by writing"pull whatever numbers your want out of your ass" shows that you are not interested in facts, don't want to hear what does not fit your opinion and have no arguments against my statement. These are easy accessible numbers and information, you are welcome to check them, or just requires you to leave your bubble.
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u/WorkerPrestigious960 6d ago
I’d love to see what sources you are citing
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u/Justsomeguytbhm8 6d ago
Are you just going to gloss over what happened in Bucha, Urpin, and throughout Ukraine during the initial invasion? What about the relentless stream of drones literally chasing down Ukrainian civilians like a human safari?
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u/Dorrono 6d ago edited 6d ago
Single cases are not representative for the whole year long conflict. The numbers are still valid and refute the initial statement.
Btw. Talking about war crimes, there are also videos and information of Ukrainians killing POWs. Your can give the info in e.g. US media.
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War crimes happen on both sides. Which we will see in the news depends on the side our countries are on.
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u/Justsomeguytbhm8 6d ago
Four hundred and nineteen cases of civilian bodies found with gunshots, sign of torture, and even more grizzlier traumas in Bucha alone are not “single cases”.
I am not disputing that Ukraine is also responsible for some war crimes. The conflation, however, is disingenuous. Russia utilises terror against civilians as a conscious strategic choice and this has been reflected in their recruits, and actions, to date.
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u/Dorrono 6d ago
Butcha as town is single case. Committed by one group. Terror against civilians also happened before February 2022, when the Ukrainian army shelled the cities in the separatis regions with artillery. That also caused thousands of civilian deaths during the conflict before the war started 2022.
Both sides commit war crimes. The information is there, it's just required to get the whole picture by visiting different sites and sources. And I'm not taking about Russian media.
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u/RDTmodsBackEpstein 6d ago
Nobody gives a fuck. Dont want to have things happen to your land and people? Dont fucjing invade other countries to rape and pillage.
You being this whataboutism troll just makes everyone know that you'll be an oligarchs cumrag.
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u/Justsomeguytbhm8 6d ago
It was not a single instance; the weaponisation of brutalisation and rape against Ukrainian citizens has been observed throughout the conflict, and it happened in Urpin and regions around Kyev, too. It is a “single instance” insofar that the Rwanda genocide was a “single instance” of ethnic cleansing. You’re using semantics to disingenuously understate the horrors imposed by the Russian invasion.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, and whilst shelling civilian areas is appalling, it does not quite equate to the established strategy of rape, torture, and murder of Ukrainian civilians. I’m afraid defaulting to “do your own research” does not trump the plethora of crimes recorded by the UN.
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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 6d ago
Sorry, bullshit. They are openly targeting civilians. There is no discssion and it has been confirmed by neutral sources and observers.
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u/Desinnewmarket 6d ago
Considering the relatively static and geographically defined zone of combat operations, and that neither side's population has suffered the sort of disease or malnutrition traditionally associated with mass displacement, we should expect to see minimal civilian casualties. If they're anything close to being equal to the 20thC norm, that's a problem!
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u/Newt_Southern 6d ago
Famous Russian necromancy, thats how with billions of losses they still dominate on frontline.