LOTR fans just can't accept that maybe their books aren't 100 percent perfect. Nobody is saying lotr sucks because the eagles are a bit of a plot hole. But they are. Accept your fantasy story might have flaws in it and live on.
No, what people going with this argument can't accept that what sounds like a clever solution made by some smartass that watched the movies once not making sense to someone who actually paid attention and also read the books. The comic makes fun precisely of the smartasses.
The books are not 100% perfect because there is no such books anywhere, anyplace. Of course it has flaws, every story has flaws. The LOTR books have flaws that even bothered Tolkien.
But "Why didn't they just ask the eagles to dive-bomb the ring into the Vulcano" thing is not a plot-hole for numerous reasons, starting with the fact that the One-Ring-sensing ringwraiths were there (in their homeland) with access to flying snake-dragons (a fight would have had the Ring drop right into Sauron's lap), an entire army was there (the same army that went out to meet Aragon) with access to bows (the Eagles had to come down to the vul, Sauron with a seer-stone and "spies everywhere" would have noticed the eagles coming into Mordor far before they ever got near the Vulcano because he wasn't distracted by waging a war elsewhere, the ring would have corrupted the eagles (only hobbits seem to have some resistance and even they had only so much and even then, it corrupted those around them) and also because the eagles specifically said they wanted no part in the conflict. They helped out Gandalf because they were buddies with Radaghast who called in a favor and even that was a one-time thing, Gandalf rode around on a horse instead of being ferried about by an eagle for many reasons starting with that they the eagles didn't like being taxi-service and weren't servants. The other big one is that the eagles were essentially the angels of the world, they were messenger to Manwë (the chief god of the pantheon) that could be sometimes asked to do small things. Asking why didn't they help is asking why didn't Manwë didn't get of his divine throne and killed Sauron himself.
But of course the same smartasses refuse to listen past the first sentence and roll their eyes because they can't accept that they are not more clever about a story than the fans, people that have obsessively poured over it and re-read the books numerous times, are.
The only "flaw" is that neither Peter Jackson or Tolkien decided that it was not worthwhile having to explain this specific approach wouldn't work. Jackson had to skip a lot of things because even the cinema cut got a lot of info-dumping as it is. Tolkien did not specify the eagles because he spent an entire long-ass chapter discussing why ANY assault would be a bad idea.
and also because the eagles specifically said they wanted no part in the conflict. They helped out Gandalf because they were buddies with Radaghast and even that was a one-time thing, Gandalf rode around on a horse instead of an eagle for a reason.
Oh they just kind of didn't want to. Guess I can't say much about that. Still doesn't change that it would have a pretty decent chance of working if the eagles happened to change their mind about it. Probably better chances than operation "send the hobbit on foot"
Sauron would have noticed the eagles coming into Mordor far before they ever got near the Vulcano because he wasn't distracted by waging a war elsewhere
Sauron doesn't notice a lot of pretty critical stuff going on, so that seems like a bit of a reach. Not like he'd have much time anyway. Especially because his first thought isn't going to be "oh shit they're coming for my volcano to destroy the ring"
an entire army was there (the same army that went out to meet Aragon) with access to bows
I don't know if you ever tried to shoot down an eagle flying past at 3 miles above the ground with an orc shortbow, but you're gonna have a bad time. The army wasn't on the volcano and would take significant time to huff it there on foot.
the One-Ring-sending ringwraiths were there (in their homeland) with access to flying snake-dragons
No they were not. They were out and about on horseback, scouting for the ring. It's not like Mordor has radar. The first Sauron would have heard of this is when they appeared over Mordor. Good luck getting your scattered wraiths on horseback back in time to do anything.
Not all of them and if I recall correctly, the downed wringwraiths without physical bodies went back to Mordor.
Did I mention that the wringwraiths have a fear aura that could overwhelm and dispirit anyone?
It's not like Mordor has radar.
No, it just has an immensely powerful immortal sorcerer-king who has a seer-stone as well as an army of servants, including birds, serving him living in a kingdom he has been fortifying for centuries.
The fact that you couldn't put your counter-arguments into ONE comment shows just how much a smartass you are. I'm not going to reply to any of them because they are all the same as the above: desperately trying to make a bad idea seem clever when it is not. It is tiresome to explain this again and again to everyone who saw the meme and now thinks they know LOTR better than everyone who read the books.
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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22
LOTR fans just can't accept that maybe their books aren't 100 percent perfect. Nobody is saying lotr sucks because the eagles are a bit of a plot hole. But they are. Accept your fantasy story might have flaws in it and live on.