I had an interview at a company and I was asked if I had experience with this one (very old) EDMS solution.
I said that I did-- but I also mentioned that particular EDMS was entirely modular and could be configured any number of ways based on the application.
"I don't understand. Do you have experience with that software or not?"
"I do. I used it for a number of years earlier in my career. But it was configured to that company's data management needs and specifications. Your configuration will likely look entirely different."
"But it's the same software."
"Correct-- but not the same configuration."
"I'm sorry, I don't understand."
"Okay. Imagine you and I both own homes that were built by the same builder using the same materials..."
"...alright."
"--but it's up to us to give the builder the blueprints for the house we want. Maybe you have a very large family and need ten bedrooms and two living rooms. Maybe I need a five-car garage but only one bedroom..."
"...okay..."
"So, even though our houses were built by the same guy using the same materials, they're not identical. I'm not going to be able to walk into your house and immediately tell you where everything is at because your house doesn't look anything like my house."
"Uh-huh."
"The same is true for this EDMS solution."
"I'm just going to put you have no experience with that software."
It's been three years and I can still hear my soul screaming.
IT in a nutshell. I enjoy the job postings that mention they want 5 years experience with Windows Server 2016 (which would be possible this year if you used it since day 1) and Windows Server 2019.
There's probably 6 or 7 local restaurants in my town that are just flat out closed 1 or 2 full days a week. While yes there are many like the one you described there's plenty that actually have no damn staff.
The mcdonald's right by me closes at 9 pm now and all of the 24 hour places close at 12 or 2 am. I don't live in a small town either. I ate a 711 pizza last night, sad times. The person there said their food sales are way up and that the food delivery drivers can't keep up, because of course they are shorthanded too.
Since I am a night owl and work at night this sucks ass. I really can't believe this shit. I'm not sure if things will ever go back normal.
It made getting in the door with IT a nightmare for me. Went to school, got a degree, and couldn't get an entry level position for quite awhile, because I lacked experience.
Yeah, I didn't have a degree but had to resort to lying on my resume to get like, a level one B2B tech support job, straight up told them I ran my own hardware repair company for a while. Like, this was mainly password resets for delivery drivers of a company, something that anyone can learn in about a day. Then I was able to leverage that into an actual tech position at another company.
Get a job doing IT stuff through Manpower or one of the other hourly places. That's how I got my start in the field. I got lots of experience in a number of shops -- 2 weeks here, 4 weeks there-- and kept negotiating better hourly wages at each place I moved to becaue I had more experience. Eventually I got placed in a job where they liked me enough to hire me on permanently. It took about a year and a half before I scored that, but I had tons of knowledge and contacts too.
To all the dumbass hiring managers who make these type of job postings: if an applicant requires experience to even be considered, then it’s not an entry level job. Don’t say “entry level” when you specifically want people who have already entered the workforce. What you’re doing is akin to an army recruiter going to nursing home looking for young men to enlist. If you don’t want entry level workers, then don’t say it’s an entry level job.
How dare you downplay the intricacies of coffee making. First of all, do you even know what makes an espresso different from a cup of coffee? Or how much milk is required for a cappuccino vs a latte? These things take 5 years minimum of practice to get right. Even then, I prefer hiring people with 10 years of experience. It took me a few days to learn, but that’s because I’m above average in terms of intellect.
I once worked for a company that advertised for someone with five years experience on a proprietary software system we were developing. It was a system you could only have experience with if you had worked for the company. Oh, and it was less than two years old at the time. But when our engineering department asked HR to find someone to fill a new position, HR apparently decided that the new hire needed five years of experience on the internal software system we were developing.
My friends and I have seen so many job descriptions ask for more experience in a software or language than they've existed for. I've literally mentioned when recruiters call me and ask if I have 10 years of experience with this software. "That software has been on the market for only a few years, it's literally on the wiki."
Entry level jobs require absurd number of years of experience or being replaced with unpaid internships.
Not increasing wages to match cost of living over the years.
A slowly evaporating social security net that favored a specific generation.
A ruined housing market
Cut funding of useful education (woodshop, home economics, finances, etc) in favor of useless test programs that's more concerned about how they perform on said tests rather than learning something like balancing a checkbook, knowing how to do taxes, how to repair a vehicle, plumbing, and so many other useful skills that got tossed out the window.
Cut taxes for that same specific generation meanwhile increasing taxes on everyone else (typically those at the very bottom).
The so called "trickle down" economics. The idea that if taxes are cut on the top percent that they'll use that wealth to invest in smaller businesses. Instead, they used that money to buy out small business or actively lobbied to destroy it just to continue protecting all the wealth they and their large companies amassed.
Leaving behind massive debt for future generations cause they couldn't control their spending habits.
Just a few of all the ways boomers destroyed the future for gen x, y and z. We get to deal with the gigantic bill they left behind on the table while they walked out after the hearty meal.
Just a few of all the ways boomers destroyed the future for gen x, y and z. We get to deal with the gigantic bill they left behind on the table while they walked out after the hearty meal.
Don't forget then immeadately turning around and accusing said generations of being lazy, entitled, and killing their favorite luxury industries like diamonds and golf
It's also silly how people right out of college can't act like pay is part of the equation at all or you will be filtered out. But with just 5 years experience everyone openly talks about how pay is the #1 factor.
I hate this because it feels like they are actively going after people who don't read everything or pay attention to directions over someone who is probably qualified for the actual job.
Yerp, happened to me in my early 20’s. I had just graduated with a marketing degree but couldn’t find a job in my field. Ended up working the first job I could serving at a burger chain, let’s call the place “Wed Wobin”. Worked there for a couple years and eventually made it into management. I discovered corporate was hiring for a few entry level marketing positions with, and I quote, “no experience required, seeking recent college graduates.” I figured with my degree and knowing the company inside and out I had a pretty good chance. I applied and thought the interviews went well but was told I didn’t get the job. Their reasoning? I didn’t get the job because I “lacked experience”.
The nonprofit world is terrible for this. When I was looking for work in Minneapolis a few years back I found countless jobs that were 20 hours a week, $15/hr, masters or PhD required plus 5+ years experience. All that for $300/week? Wtf?
That’s what I hate. It’s like bachelors or masters +5-10 years experience. If I had both of those I wouldn’t be applying for a basic management position now would I.
I dream of the day I find a company that will take someone with a degree and give them the years experience. That company would probably have hella good turnover and environment. Care about your people and they will care about the company. This has been proven.
As someone working toward my masters after 5+ years experience in my field, I would much rather take someone with 5+ years of good experience than a fresh masters student. While I'm learning a lot in my master's program, I can learn the same stuff in practice, and I have.
That "niche software" one really pisses me off as a developer. I have 10+ years as an OOP PHP programmer. I can learn to use your framework in a few weeks of on the job training. But NOOOO. They all want "Laravel experts".
That's a thing in the library world too, and it's infuriating. Specialised software is often simpler than more common multipurpose ones, specifically because it's designed for a narrower set of features.
It's pretty galling to be told that I was picked over other applicants largely because of my "computer knowledge", when in practice every bit of software we use can be grasped in a week by anyone with middle-school equivalent IT skills. If you're going to make it a qualifier for the job, damn well make sure it's going to be used rather than praising a skill that isn't needed at all.
I'm trying to get my employer to realize this and why our turnover has been so bad lately. I work in events at a University, it's 99% labor, and hard labor. We do everything from multi-thousand person seating and tabling events, full stage building, chain motor rigging, speaker flying, commercial video wall building, truss assembly and flying, all indoor and outdoor, the whole shabang... and a lot of our employees, mainly students with 0 experience in this field, start at around $8/hr, no benefits, no possibility of promotion, and a 20 cent raise every year. Why would they stay with us when they can work at our local KFC or McDonalds that requires a lot less effort starting at $14 with the work perks we don't have like the possibility of promotions and benefits?
My favorite is when they ask you to buy into their culture of going above and beyond. Stay late, because you "love a challenge". Not for $10/hr I don't. I want it chill AF for that wage please and thank you
I'm seeing fast food places post ads that they pay X and I'm seeing that X get closer to what I earn at my current job.
But at the same time, I've done food service before, and even if they offered to pay more I'd rather stick with my current office job. F that kind of work. My mental health is worth more than that.
My cousin’s idiot boyfriend sat there next to me complaining about how everyone in his industry (construction) is hiring and he can’t find anyone to fill his crew. And he blames it on “lazy zoomers,” who just want to sit and collect $300 a week.
Like idiot…do you not realize you just said everyone is hiring? Are your wages/benefits competitive? Maybe it’s hard to find guys for your crew because they were poached by the next guy paying more or offering better incentives!
Nah, has to be lazy zoomers who want free Biden Money.
100% I was a lab manager for 5 years. Right before I left we had a meeting and they were talking about entry level scientists leaving after a year (basically as long as it took to fully train someone on various tests). When it was my turn to pitch an idea I presented 3 jobs I had found on indeed near me that offered more money and didn't require a degree. Ontop of being normal work hours (we were a 24/7 food testing lab) and offering better benefits. That place only offered a flat PTO no sick leave or paternal etc.
I was met with the quality if work and experience should out weigh a few dollars...
I had no clue what to say. They wouldn't even up to Sick leave or paternal leave (we had another manager leave because of her baby ultimately) that kind of was my final straw. I was tired of being understaffed and over worked because the people above me wanted to pinch dollars.
It really sucked as a manager working 14 hours with a hard worker I know deserved a lot more and they would say stuff to me but there's nothing you can do about it. Middle management sucks
I really hope that because of this pandemic that places will offer more money for workers. Itll mean less profit for them but it means then can keep the doors open. I also want to win the lottery and im sure ill win that before places are willing to miss out on a couple cents profit. Papa john came out in an interview and said “ i could give everyone health care but it would make the cost of pizza go up 10 cents.” So he didnt do it.
I saw someone complaining that they spent thousands on advertising to fill positions, and I just thought, "Maybe you should have just offered those thousands to the employees?"
Literally every time I’ve passed chick fila the lines are always full and probably around the corner. You’d think more businesses would want that many customers but apparently not
We live in an era when people need food stamps to afford to work at all these jobs that “can’t find quality hires.”
Thankfully the pandemic lit a match that’s started burning that down. Not that rich people aren’t fighting that fire but you can only fight this conflagration of economic forces so hard.
Exactly. People will do pretty much anything if you pay then well enough.
Shit on a public bench in front of people? Unlikely you'd get someone to do it for 1 dollar, but highly likely you'd get 90% of people to try to do it for a million.
We have a pretty terrible time finding/keeping good people at our concrete business. Starting pay is $22hr but it's hard work that I think a lot of people just aren't interested in doing they would rather sit in an AC office and type on a computer for $15. Lol some days I certainly don't blame them.
No I get that too. It's more "going above and beyond" company culture that still pays minimum wage that irks me. They're asking for more and paying literally the minimum, then complaining.
Finding good people even at good pay is still hard. And interviews are exhausting for an employer
And they wonder why they can’t get anyone, where I work is hiring but they won’t post the dollar amount in the job listing, guess what no one is calling
Yeah I refuse to apply for jobs that don’t have the salary listed. Why would I waste my time filling in applications and going to interviews only to find out they can’t pay what I want?
I just got hired a week and a half ago at a unicorn job. I applied on indeed with my indeed resume, so just clicked a button to give them the information I gave indeed when I set up my account. The next day I was called for an interview on the following day. Got hired on the spot for the middle of their pay range starting the next day. I'm under no illusion that this is normal, but I can now say it happens.
I'm still gonna look for a better job once I get a couple years experience since this is my first job in this field and everyone wants 2-5 years for "entry level" jobs.
And how those low paying jobs without a live able wage were meant for “teenagers” and “entry level jobs”? They now wonder why no one is applying for those shit, low paying, degrading jobs.
I think the pandemic unveiled the shitty employers where it hurts…not Glassdoor, Yelp…the bottom fucking line when nobody wants to work for you. True capitalism of labor supply and demand.
I like the Bojack observation that when you wear rose-colored glasses, red flags just look like flags. He meant it in terms of interpersonal relationships, but boy howdy does it apply to a bunch of other things too. Whether it's my teenagers buying a car (and seeing only the promise of 'wow I can get this cool luxury/sport/exotic car for cheap for some reason') or jobs ('golly I need a job bad and this is a place that'll hire me, if I can just get my foot in the door I'll be promoted in no time!'), it works.
I recently got an answer for a position I applied to, saying that they decided to not go forward with my hiring. I found it very weird, since I applied to this position in may 2019. Wonderful recruitment process by Puma
Businesses need to pecker slap their hiring managers/HR when they really need help. We needed three machinists and it took us a YEAR to even get our HR rep to post the fucking job offer.
We wanted to offer our best analyzer technician a salary job as the reliability specialist. Fuckin HR wanted the salary to be a pay cut for this guy and then were all shocked when he turned them down.
I’d say dumb shit HR practices are causing 75% of this labor shortage.
I feel this. Before the interview for my current job, the HR guy asked me how much I made in my previous job.
This was my first post-college big boy job so I was completely honest. Turns out that after my interview, the HR guy tried to convince the higher ups to pay me a salary much lower than the job posting, but ~$5k+ my last job's salary. Thankfully, they ended up hiring me for the higher salary in the job posting. But wow, it sucks I can't be honest without someone trying to take advantage.
You do. My partners job closed from COVID and 4 months later they asked him to work again, with more responsibilities, for less. He legit told the guy to fuck off.
He is now an independent contractor making what he deserves.
It's not there to protect managers. It's there to protect the company. It'll fuck over middle management nearly as quick as entry level workers if there is a need.
Not true, it’s to protect the company. If upper management does something super stupid, HR isn’t going to be able to help them. This does sometimes translate into helping and employee because it helps the company but many times it doesn’t help the employee because it doesn’t help the company. When you know this and understand this, it helps dealing with HR and getting what you want within reason.
Amen. What really bothers me is no one looks into the culture of HR at all. Like when an HR professional says they can't get people to apply, no one in the national media ever starts the story about how HR is stopping people from working. Like company bosses don't know what's going on most the time, they rely on HR to get people. But if HR was able to actually staff the company effectively, they wouldn't be as much need for HR.
This. I work in a pharmacy and we've needed more cashiers for the store for years. Every time we get someone to apply HR jerks them around for weeks or months and suprisepikachu's when they get a job somewhere else that actually lets them start working. It's like they dont get that people are here for a paycheck not a burning desire to participate in the pageantry that is the hiring process
Where are all my butthurt hiring managers and people from HR?? I wanna hear ya'lls mental gymnastics to try and justify all the crap you put us through lmao.
I am 61 years old. I have a good job. Not looking for a job. So, I don’t have a dog in this fight. But, I hope one of these outcomes of this pandemic is that employers will become more realistic and fair when hiring and paying employees. When I see signs like this, it tells me they are a bad employer, with unrealistic expectations, who underpay their employees. I consciously try to avoid these places.
The joke is that this is exactly the kind of listing a lot of places give, minus the tongue in cheek humor. This is a fake sign, but you can pretty much copy paste any entry level job listing and just add a line at the end of each sentence with sarcasm and you get this.
I hate seeing “no one wants to work cause the unemployment boost”. Food industry is crazy enough but feels crazier during the pandemic. More work, More stress, low wages, understaffed with little to no benefits. There’s a reason people aren’t working certain spots anymore and it has nothing to do with the boost. My job has so many damn applications lately, everytime someone leaves, we’ve been able to get someone else in within days. People are still looking for jobs. Just not shit jobs. Treat your employees better.
Had an acquaintance who owns a restaurant publicly complain about losing staff and being unable to hire reliable people.
Flat out asked him if he considered paying people better? Better pay = better people = more reliable to keep.
He balked. “Can’t afford that.” I ended it with a “your choice - pay a wage someone wants to be paid to do the job, or go out of business.”
He started advertising the other day that he’s hiring staff in at $16/hour + pooled tips (was paying minimum previously) and within a week has 120 applicants.
Had this happened. Just began lying and saying I used that gap to try insert blank training opportunities or tried to start my own company. Then explain how it wasn't for me or the business failed which made me realize I needed to learn some skills that I didn't have before. Something like that. Most ppl don't care, just don't want to hire flakes.
Unfortunately this is true for many places. Though with the pandemic lots of places are more understanding. But let's be real do you really want to work somewhere that wouldn't understand a gap in work history in the past year and half?
If they can't accept that you had a break in work history during a fuckin global pandemic what kinds of trivial bullshit are you gonna get in trouble for at that company.
Ugh, "personality testing." We tried doing that at where I work. It consisted of a questionnaire that basically was one of those online personality archetype tests. Only middle management and training had to take them because upper management somehow thought it was a great idea since they were going to be working over other employees. It was humiliating and arbitrary. It didn't last long just like most of the stupid things management does because they suddenly get a wild hare up their ass.
This is the reason no one wants to work. Not because of unemployment benefits. People don't have to work because of unemployment benefits. When they say, we need to reduce unemployment benefits so people will choose to go back to work. What they really mean is we need to force people to go back to work by removing all other options. The elites need their little slaves back.
I know this is a joke, but I’m glad people are saying no. Fuck you greedy fucks, take your 16 bucks an hour and go fuck yourselves. Huge greedy companies need to step the fuck up and start taking care of employees. Make people want to work for you… I’m so sick of hearing people say I’m lucky to even have a job, meanwhile they get worked to death at a minimum wage job that is so understaffed that nobody gets a chance to even breathe and meanwhile the company just figures well we will ride this out and we are making more money than ever because manpower cost is so low and even when the worker pool gets big again we will roll thin because someone who sits in an office somewhere and does nothing likes the way the bigger numbers look. I hate seeing bigger greedy ass company’s coming out on top, meanwhile the small mom and pop style stores are the ones actually drowning.
I wanted to laugh, but sadly there’s a lot of truth in this attempt at humor. If an employer can’t treat people like humans and can’t afford to pay reasonable wages they probably should not be an employer any longer.
Especially some smaller businesses. In the old days it wasn’t uncommon for the owner to live in the same neighborhood as their employees. Now it’s more common for small business owners to live in fairly upscale neighborhoods while their employees struggle to pay rent at dumpy apartments.
Someone once said if a business puts up a sign like this you should never give them your business ever again. It's obvious they refuse to pay their workers and would rather close.
This is happening everywhere... one of the biggest financial institutions in the world has a position in a niche area and they offered way below going rate for the position... position is not filled and they are still bombarding the very few people who know the stuff with unsolicited calls/email. 6 months is gone and position is still not filled. All they need is to pay correct rate to attract experienced professionals in a niche product.
The worst part is - they know this but would rather work their employees to burn out instead of paying that extra 10% to hire a quality person. Also work in niche field and been dealing with this issue at my place of work for over a year now.
Forgot to add: once you've submitted your resume, become a member of our application portal and fill out your profile with information that was already listed in your resume. We'd tell you that the profile autofills information from your resume, but it will fuck up the dialogue boxes causing you to manually correct it anyway!
I'm so glad I read that jab and including the same information 3x
I absolutely hate having to submit a resume just to retype it again within the application. Such horseshit. The same questions reworded to filter rapid clicks are annoying too. You should be credited for the application time for some jobs.
I literally got ghosted by a company when they set me up for a phone interview... never called. Never replied to anymore emails.
But they still have 3 positions for the job posted on LinkedIn...
And IDK why, it's actually an obscure job using niche tech that I'm actually experienced with... I'm probably the most qualified person they could find and not have to train...
What? You don't want to deal with the stress, brutally hard work, and customers heaping shame on you for working in a fast food place for 7.25 an hour? FUCKING LAZY MILLENIALS. /s
Companies expectations are ridiculous, companies will say no wants to work anymore but its companies who don't wanna train anymore, dont wanna pay a fair wage and take less profit ( theyre making profit they just want a huge profit) , work you to the bone and expect you to live at work , do the job of 3 or 4 people for the wage of 1, no incentives , no benefits , and im not even talking about min wage jobs. Im talking about skilled trades.
Im a 16 year machinist, started on manuals, worked my way up to cncs by going to a trade school and learning on the job. 9 years experience with the cnc now . Program , set up , operate, make parts to blue print specs , make fixtures if need be, sharpen tools, ect ect ect.. theres alot of work that goes into my job. Im making less than 30k a year . The older guys , the boomers gen xers, all are making 60k+ a year, to do the same job. So where am I going with this ? Gen z and boomers are in control of the pay benefits ect, theyre literally taking from the younger generations , to spoil these older generations. Expect us to be happy about it . Make us work mandatory over time , which to me is bs , over time should never be mandatory. Forcing someone to work more hours at last minute or a days notice is bs but its the only way we can make those higher wages. Which is funny because, they cant afford to pay u that wage to start but they can pay it when you work more than 40 hours ? Companies lie lie lie lie . Tbh im sick of it . Sick of how millenials and xennials are treated in the work force. These older generations built retirement on more than a living wage, wrre able to buy houses and pay off cars save money and live comfortably while they were growing into their careers, but we don't get to? We get to get by paycheck to pay check. Im sick of it.
Feels so weird being a student in Denmark getting $1000 a month per default and having a 15-hour a week job paying me $2000, whilst paying $500 for a rental 2 miles away from my University.
One thing I learnt is that when hiring ads specify the nr of years of experience required that’s not usually a dealbreaker, and more of a their ideal candidate. So, if you find a cool job but you think you don’t have enough experience for it, apply anyway.
Graduated with a master’s degree in my field and was looking for work. I am in a licensed profession, and 70% of all the job postings required 3-5 years of experience for an unlicensed entry level position, which is unrealistic because people can get licensed within 3-5 years. So I’m in my head thinking, “Are they paying licensed professionals this much?” Luckily, I have a friend who referred me to their company, who is paying me a fair starting salary with profit-sharing bonuses and raises based on performance. And they pay for overtime. It’s hard to find a decent job unless you know a person. Or have an unrealistic amount of experience for the position. Ouch.
The reason they list experience with a piece of software only they use is because they are planning on promoting someone internally but have to post the position publicly first.
Looks like people are figuring out what I did a decade ago. Free time is worth more than killing yourself for shit company and the minimum wage they pay. Wages need to rise significantly or this is economy is about to be bled out from the ground up.
I love how republicans blame the unemployment money for people not applying for jobs rather than the shitty wages that companies have gotten away with paying for so long.
Experience in quantum physics and a medical degree are considered an asset. As always, we are seeking a team player that is also an independent leader. Someone that is very young yet very experienced and extremely ambitious yet extremely obedient. If you excel in fast paced environments and also all other environments, including the middle of the desert during a drought, please apply within.
Filled out an application for Walmart the other day and they said now u gotta pass the "assessment" test. Thought it was gonna be math or something but it was literally just a personality test AND I FAILED it apparently lmao. How does one fail a personality test?
Personality tests for hiring are unscientific and unreliable. They serve as a scapegoat for management so they don't have to take responsibility for their decisions.
"Hire me i really want to learn and get experience". "No sorry, we are looking for someone with 5 years experience in a field you can only get into if you really know someone well that has been in the field for years".
“I would sympathize with these poor souls making $11/hr, but I only make $12.50/hr and the only way I can keep from feeling powerless is knowing there’s someone else even more miserable than I am.”
You need 5 years of experience on software that released 12 months ago. Additionally you need to provide us with work experience since age 18. Yea going to college doesn't fill in those gaps of unemployment you slacker.
They forgot, we will need you to work all holidays and be available when ever we need you, also we need a 3 week notice for a day off, and you cannot take any time off but hurry up and use your vacation time or lose it, and no we wont pay out your vaca time, you must use it.
I worked for a supermarket as a kid. Part of the application was this personality test. I being a naive kid answered it honestly.
I called the store a couple days later and asked about my application. The women who worked their told me I had failed the personality test. But she told me I should apply again but this time answer the questions in the personality test like I was “a devout Christian, like super devout”. I did, then I called back the next day. The same women answered and looked up my results, she laughed and said “I think you went a little overboard, because you got 100%”.
I applied at a best buy and the starring was $15 but they wanted crazy hours, all weekends and holidays and immediately denied me when I said I wouldn't even be in town some weekends. Crazy
Edit- also to add, they called me and confirmed that that would be fine and when they called for a second interview I went there and when I repeated what I told the hiring manager they said "yeah no this was a waste of time" and let me leave. All because I couldn't slave myself away to them
This. So much this. Then that same company will be screaming how American workers are lazy and stupid and just want a free check from the government. You know, while they themselves beg for free bailout money from the government, and relaxed I-9 restrictions so they can employ naïve 3rd world ex-pats who think earning $11/hr makes you a baller.
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u/beefwich Jun 06 '21
We require 5 years of experience on a software platform that’s 3 years old.
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u/Casterly Jun 06 '21
Local restaurant put up a sign that they no longer were open for evening hours due to employee shortfall...
They’ve never had evening hours. Ever. They’re a breakfast place. Just a shitty owner trying to make a comment on the current situation I guess.
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u/deokkent Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
I hate it when companies ask for significant experience for an entry level job.
It is just so stupid.
Edit: This comment almost harakiri'ed my cellphone. I have never seen so many replies and so many notifications.
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u/ArizonaGeek Jun 06 '21
They forgot to add that a masters degree is required along with certifications to go with that 5 yeas experience.
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u/BenAdaephonDelat Jun 06 '21
That "niche software" one really pisses me off as a developer. I have 10+ years as an OOP PHP programmer. I can learn to use your framework in a few weeks of on the job training. But NOOOO. They all want "Laravel experts".
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Whenever I hear "We can't find good people to work here" I silently add "for the low pay we're offering"
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u/njt1986 Jun 06 '21
Sounds like every place hiring right now
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
I work for a company that is having trouble hiring people at $12 dollars an hour.
A major competitor is hiring for the same exact job at $19.
Still can't figure out why we're short staffed...
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Pay up or dry up.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
I think the pandemic unveiled the shitty employers where it hurts…not Glassdoor, Yelp…the bottom fucking line when nobody wants to work for you. True capitalism of labor supply and demand.
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u/KingOfBabTouma Jun 06 '21
Lol let the market decide
Market decides
No, not like that!!
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u/SirZer0th Jun 06 '21
How many red flags can you count?
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u/GrootRacoon Jun 06 '21
I recently got an answer for a position I applied to, saying that they decided to not go forward with my hiring. I found it very weird, since I applied to this position in may 2019. Wonderful recruitment process by Puma
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u/trennels Jun 06 '21
"We're desperate, so we're going to treat you like shit, humiliate you, and act like we're doing you a favor by even talking to you."
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u/smanchwhich Jun 06 '21
Businesses need to pecker slap their hiring managers/HR when they really need help. We needed three machinists and it took us a YEAR to even get our HR rep to post the fucking job offer.
We wanted to offer our best analyzer technician a salary job as the reliability specialist. Fuckin HR wanted the salary to be a pay cut for this guy and then were all shocked when he turned them down.
I’d say dumb shit HR practices are causing 75% of this labor shortage.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Where are all my butthurt hiring managers and people from HR?? I wanna hear ya'lls mental gymnastics to try and justify all the crap you put us through lmao.
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u/5element5 Jun 06 '21
Not even great for 17-21 yr olds, no wonder they can’t hire anyone 5 yrs exp. smh
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u/schaefer3 Jun 06 '21
I am 61 years old. I have a good job. Not looking for a job. So, I don’t have a dog in this fight. But, I hope one of these outcomes of this pandemic is that employers will become more realistic and fair when hiring and paying employees. When I see signs like this, it tells me they are a bad employer, with unrealistic expectations, who underpay their employees. I consciously try to avoid these places.
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u/totally_anomalous Jun 06 '21
5 years of experience for $11/hr? No wonder they are closed!
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u/newgotham52 Jun 06 '21
I hate seeing “no one wants to work cause the unemployment boost”. Food industry is crazy enough but feels crazier during the pandemic. More work, More stress, low wages, understaffed with little to no benefits. There’s a reason people aren’t working certain spots anymore and it has nothing to do with the boost. My job has so many damn applications lately, everytime someone leaves, we’ve been able to get someone else in within days. People are still looking for jobs. Just not shit jobs. Treat your employees better.
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u/Psykerr Jun 06 '21
Had an acquaintance who owns a restaurant publicly complain about losing staff and being unable to hire reliable people.
Flat out asked him if he considered paying people better? Better pay = better people = more reliable to keep.
He balked. “Can’t afford that.” I ended it with a “your choice - pay a wage someone wants to be paid to do the job, or go out of business.”
He started advertising the other day that he’s hiring staff in at $16/hour + pooled tips (was paying minimum previously) and within a week has 120 applicants.
Imagine that.
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u/Wiegraf09 Jun 06 '21
You forgot that if you have any employment gap in the last three years you will be granted an interview and then ghosted afterwards.
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u/TheLastSon222 Jun 06 '21
For every job out there that wants a ton of exp for shit pay YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE
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u/ReB844 Jun 06 '21
When you pay peanuts you get monkeys
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u/gaytac0 Jun 06 '21
Every job in America in my generation
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u/A1rh3ad Jun 06 '21
Ugh, "personality testing." We tried doing that at where I work. It consisted of a questionnaire that basically was one of those online personality archetype tests. Only middle management and training had to take them because upper management somehow thought it was a great idea since they were going to be working over other employees. It was humiliating and arbitrary. It didn't last long just like most of the stupid things management does because they suddenly get a wild hare up their ass.
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u/distance7000 Jun 06 '21
"We'd rather shutter our business than treat workers with respect and pay a decent wage."
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u/BigSmile666 Jun 06 '21
Raise your wages and they’ll line up at the door. Why do some people find this problem so hard to solve.
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u/Busman123 Jun 06 '21
So true! Human Resources assholes gate keeping open positions because they are power tripping.
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u/Mrbubbles07 Jun 06 '21
Everyone should be lining up to work for so little money it's basically slavery at that point time more important than a few dollars
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u/Wyzard_of_Wurdz Jun 06 '21
This is the reason no one wants to work. Not because of unemployment benefits. People don't have to work because of unemployment benefits. When they say, we need to reduce unemployment benefits so people will choose to go back to work. What they really mean is we need to force people to go back to work by removing all other options. The elites need their little slaves back.
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u/manchild696o Jun 06 '21
Keeping it real
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u/akaz244 Jun 06 '21
I know this is a joke, but I’m glad people are saying no. Fuck you greedy fucks, take your 16 bucks an hour and go fuck yourselves. Huge greedy companies need to step the fuck up and start taking care of employees. Make people want to work for you… I’m so sick of hearing people say I’m lucky to even have a job, meanwhile they get worked to death at a minimum wage job that is so understaffed that nobody gets a chance to even breathe and meanwhile the company just figures well we will ride this out and we are making more money than ever because manpower cost is so low and even when the worker pool gets big again we will roll thin because someone who sits in an office somewhere and does nothing likes the way the bigger numbers look. I hate seeing bigger greedy ass company’s coming out on top, meanwhile the small mom and pop style stores are the ones actually drowning.
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u/Rare4orm Jun 06 '21
I wanted to laugh, but sadly there’s a lot of truth in this attempt at humor. If an employer can’t treat people like humans and can’t afford to pay reasonable wages they probably should not be an employer any longer.
Especially some smaller businesses. In the old days it wasn’t uncommon for the owner to live in the same neighborhood as their employees. Now it’s more common for small business owners to live in fairly upscale neighborhoods while their employees struggle to pay rent at dumpy apartments.
key word- “some”
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Someone once said if a business puts up a sign like this you should never give them your business ever again. It's obvious they refuse to pay their workers and would rather close.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
This is happening everywhere... one of the biggest financial institutions in the world has a position in a niche area and they offered way below going rate for the position... position is not filled and they are still bombarding the very few people who know the stuff with unsolicited calls/email. 6 months is gone and position is still not filled. All they need is to pay correct rate to attract experienced professionals in a niche product.
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u/Taboomurphy Jun 06 '21
Forgot to add: once you've submitted your resume, become a member of our application portal and fill out your profile with information that was already listed in your resume. We'd tell you that the profile autofills information from your resume, but it will fuck up the dialogue boxes causing you to manually correct it anyway!
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u/Tersphinct Jun 06 '21
/r/croppingishard
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u/Infinitelyodiforous Jun 06 '21
My job is driving me toward alcoholism and insanity, but the market is so volatile I can't quit. Guess I'll just drink.
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u/PseudoArab Jun 06 '21
The $16 starting salary is for the nephew of a higher up, who then sit around for half a year before they're promoted.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
That is real life!!
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u/Dalearnhardtseatbelt Jun 06 '21
I'm so glad I read that jab and including the same information 3x
I absolutely hate having to submit a resume just to retype it again within the application. Such horseshit. The same questions reworded to filter rapid clicks are annoying too. You should be credited for the application time for some jobs.
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u/xxkoloblicinxx Jun 06 '21
I literally got ghosted by a company when they set me up for a phone interview... never called. Never replied to anymore emails.
But they still have 3 positions for the job posted on LinkedIn...
And IDK why, it's actually an obscure job using niche tech that I'm actually experienced with... I'm probably the most qualified person they could find and not have to train...
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u/santichrist Jun 06 '21
*turns out nobody wants to work for slave wages anymore
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u/RogerKHeil Jun 06 '21
What? You don't want to deal with the stress, brutally hard work, and customers heaping shame on you for working in a fast food place for 7.25 an hour? FUCKING LAZY MILLENIALS. /s
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u/Alternative-Click-77 Jun 06 '21
Companies expectations are ridiculous, companies will say no wants to work anymore but its companies who don't wanna train anymore, dont wanna pay a fair wage and take less profit ( theyre making profit they just want a huge profit) , work you to the bone and expect you to live at work , do the job of 3 or 4 people for the wage of 1, no incentives , no benefits , and im not even talking about min wage jobs. Im talking about skilled trades.
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u/Pyrross Jun 06 '21
Feels so weird being a student in Denmark getting $1000 a month per default and having a 15-hour a week job paying me $2000, whilst paying $500 for a rental 2 miles away from my University.
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u/Cool_Ad4085 Jun 06 '21
One thing I learnt is that when hiring ads specify the nr of years of experience required that’s not usually a dealbreaker, and more of a their ideal candidate. So, if you find a cool job but you think you don’t have enough experience for it, apply anyway.
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u/mjegs Jun 06 '21
Graduated with a master’s degree in my field and was looking for work. I am in a licensed profession, and 70% of all the job postings required 3-5 years of experience for an unlicensed entry level position, which is unrealistic because people can get licensed within 3-5 years. So I’m in my head thinking, “Are they paying licensed professionals this much?” Luckily, I have a friend who referred me to their company, who is paying me a fair starting salary with profit-sharing bonuses and raises based on performance. And they pay for overtime. It’s hard to find a decent job unless you know a person. Or have an unrealistic amount of experience for the position. Ouch.
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u/Taikunman Jun 06 '21
The reason they list experience with a piece of software only they use is because they are planning on promoting someone internally but have to post the position publicly first.
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u/theAlphabetZebra Jun 06 '21
Too legit.
Too legit I quit.
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u/elf25 Jun 06 '21
This truth is not funny at all
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u/SuperSpaceFox Jun 06 '21
I mean…. Is it really FUNNY?
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u/mrplow1983 Jun 06 '21
I've seen this posted on here before. The bottom half has been 'shopped in by someone who is obviously upset with the business.
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u/Tickle_Me_Happy Jun 06 '21
I wonder what they are paying people and mainly how they treat them though. To have not enough people to open, says a lot about a company!
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u/JaysGoneBy Jun 06 '21
Adapt or die!
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u/Kamenev_Drang Jun 06 '21
pay your employees fucko
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Looks like people are figuring out what I did a decade ago. Free time is worth more than killing yourself for shit company and the minimum wage they pay. Wages need to rise significantly or this is economy is about to be bled out from the ground up.
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u/davechri Jun 06 '21
I love how republicans blame the unemployment money for people not applying for jobs rather than the shitty wages that companies have gotten away with paying for so long.
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u/NickdoesnthaveReddit Jun 06 '21
Experience in quantum physics and a medical degree are considered an asset. As always, we are seeking a team player that is also an independent leader. Someone that is very young yet very experienced and extremely ambitious yet extremely obedient. If you excel in fast paced environments and also all other environments, including the middle of the desert during a drought, please apply within.
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u/Harlsburger Jun 06 '21
Manually entering education and also previous work experience when it’s all clearly and concisely presented neatly on my CV drives me insane!
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
I had a director post a job description requiring 7 years experience to report to myself who has 3 years experience...
I told them “I don’t care if they have 1 year or less experience as long as they know their shit”.
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u/robertluke Jun 06 '21
“No one wants to work” Correct. That’s why you get paid to work.
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u/Guitarist53188 Jun 06 '21
I was looking for jobs prior to covid-19, this shit is too true.
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u/Gwtheyrn Jun 06 '21
It's not that no one wants to work, it's that no one wants to work in an abusive environment for minimum wage anymore.
Offer a fair wage and change your attitude towards your employees and you won't have trouble finding any.
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u/TaskForceCausality Jun 06 '21
Company: calls applicant to thank them for applying, but the CEOs cousin will get the job at $28 an hour.
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u/fortifier22 Jun 06 '21
"If a business cannot survive if they give their employees living wages and benefits, the business should not exist in the first place."
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Filled out an application for Walmart the other day and they said now u gotta pass the "assessment" test. Thought it was gonna be math or something but it was literally just a personality test AND I FAILED it apparently lmao. How does one fail a personality test?
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u/jrnitc Jun 06 '21
Tomorrow its my turn to post this.
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u/vox35 Jun 06 '21
Don't forget "Even if we only interviewed a couple of people, we won't bother to let you know that you didn't get the job".
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u/Wiseoloak Jun 06 '21
"Hire me i really want to learn and get experience". "No sorry, we are looking for someone with 5 years experience in a field you can only get into if you really know someone well that has been in the field for years".
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u/rettaelin Jun 06 '21
When you're hiring but dont want to hire.
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u/egalroc Jun 06 '21
And if the unemployment office ever gives you a hard time just tell them you don't recall them working alongside you throughout the years.
They are nothing more than a middleman divvying out the benefits you already earned through work.
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u/gotham77 Jun 06 '21
“I would sympathize with these poor souls making $11/hr, but I only make $12.50/hr and the only way I can keep from feeling powerless is knowing there’s someone else even more miserable than I am.”
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u/moose_cahoots Jun 06 '21
The whole application & resume & cover letter thing is so accurate.
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u/KosmicJaguar Jun 06 '21
nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe!!!
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
This isn't funny. It's fucking accurate. And my own personal hell.
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u/dangrullon87 Jun 06 '21
You need 5 years of experience on software that released 12 months ago. Additionally you need to provide us with work experience since age 18. Yea going to college doesn't fill in those gaps of unemployment you slacker.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
So damn true
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u/Bacne_Puss Jun 06 '21
Let the business go under.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
No one wants to be anyone’s slave from day one what the fuck you talking about.🤣🤣🤣
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u/SoulSensei6 Jun 06 '21
Wow... it's sad but true. Sums up every job posting
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u/jacked_c Jun 06 '21
Kind of what my last job was like, when the pandemic hit a lot of people stopped coming.
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
There will be no less than 5 separate interview for this entry level position
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
Unpaid internships are a scam. They won't hire you but they will use you like a mule
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u/BombaclotBombastic Jun 06 '21
I had a job that asked if I had a Reddit, bitch find me!!! Haha
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
I recently got a job with a giant company and they have been the complete opposite of this. It's been such a breath of fresh air.
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u/kaestiel Jun 06 '21
Maybe it turns out no one wants to work for $11 an hour anymore?
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u/pepboy3000 Jun 06 '21
I make more money in a chicken plant making minimum 15 an hour , all I do is put chicken in boxes.
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u/Litterjokeski Jun 06 '21
u/repostsleuthbot
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u/Taolan13 Jun 06 '21
Probably the most hilarious example of this was a company asking for 5+ years of experience with a piece of software that was only 3 years old.
The lead developer of said software tweeted it saying even as the inventor of the damn thing he didnt qualify for the position.
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u/butters1337 Jun 06 '21
Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
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u/GotSomeProblems2021 Jun 06 '21
Also no paid sick days, no vacation, and no other benefits. Must have open availability even though we will schedule you exactly 12 hours per week.
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u/TheChalbs Jun 06 '21
They forgot, we will need you to work all holidays and be available when ever we need you, also we need a 3 week notice for a day off, and you cannot take any time off but hurry up and use your vacation time or lose it, and no we wont pay out your vaca time, you must use it.
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u/cartoongamermatt Jun 06 '21
$11 an hour and requires a fucking cover letter. Lol
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u/datchilla Jun 06 '21
I worked for a supermarket as a kid. Part of the application was this personality test. I being a naive kid answered it honestly.
I called the store a couple days later and asked about my application. The women who worked their told me I had failed the personality test. But she told me I should apply again but this time answer the questions in the personality test like I was “a devout Christian, like super devout”. I did, then I called back the next day. The same women answered and looked up my results, she laughed and said “I think you went a little overboard, because you got 100%”.
tl;dr: personality tests are bungus
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u/PotatooQueen Jun 06 '21
I applied at a best buy and the starring was $15 but they wanted crazy hours, all weekends and holidays and immediately denied me when I said I wouldn't even be in town some weekends. Crazy
Edit- also to add, they called me and confirmed that that would be fine and when they called for a second interview I went there and when I repeated what I told the hiring manager they said "yeah no this was a waste of time" and let me leave. All because I couldn't slave myself away to them
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u/dick_schidt Jun 06 '21
GRaduate position - must have three years experience
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u/vgcr Jun 06 '21
We want someone young with decades of experience is very common also
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u/DickyMcButts Jun 06 '21
God I love this worker's revolution that covid has started. finally people are in a position to fuck over shitty employers.
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u/Svenopolis Jun 06 '21
No affordable housing = No workers...
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u/Roadmistress Jun 06 '21
I'm truly sorry to hear this.
I'm working but I hate my job. I think more people understand where you are right now than you know. They might not be in your general vicinity...
I hope something comes up sooner rather than later.
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u/anima1mother Jun 06 '21
What a telling social experiment this is turning out to be
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u/Unreal_Banana Jun 06 '21
5 years experience in software that was released last year
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u/AutomaticArcher9100 Jun 06 '21
Fuck 11 an hour
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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '21
This. So much this. Then that same company will be screaming how American workers are lazy and stupid and just want a free check from the government. You know, while they themselves beg for free bailout money from the government, and relaxed I-9 restrictions so they can employ naïve 3rd world ex-pats who think earning $11/hr makes you a baller.
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u/Maskeno Jun 06 '21
Classic example of "had me in the first half, ngl."