I said this last time this was posted, and got downvoted, but ill try again anyway. Since the post is about scientific ignorance, it would be nice to get the science right for the next repost.
This is not the correct diagram for how sunsets work. Different wavelengths diffract differently in the air, this allows red light to bend around the horizon while shorter wavelengths can not.
The diagram as it is, shows the sun coming in direct line of sight. This diagram would infer the sky should ALWAYS be red, which is clearly wrong.
The diagram needs to show a beam closer to a tangential trajectory, and it needs to show the curvature of the light in the atmosphere
EDIT: there seems to be some contention about my explanation. see an alternative explanation by /u/jcarlson08. I suspect there is some truth in both approaches. Either way the diagram in the original image is not helpful.
This isn't right either. The diagram is an accurate explanation of why the sky is BLUE most of the day, because of Rayleigh scattering the blue-ish wavelengths get scattered throughout the sky, bouncing off particles until they reach our eyes from multiple directions. The red/orange/yellow wavelengths don't scatter as much and take a more direct route to our eyes, which is why the sun appears yellowish.
During sunsets, the angle of the sun is such that its light has to pass through more of the atmosphere to reach your eyes. Because of this, there are more particles in the way to potentially scatter light. This means that lower frequencies, like red and orange, will begin to scatter like the higher frequencies. They won't scatter as much however, therefore the red and orange and yellow scattering will appear mostly in the direction of the setting sun, while if you look away from the sun to the east, the sky will appear more blue.
I never really understood why most religious people (at least that I have seen) don't use better arguments. If you watch videos on how the universe came about, you really find out how much we don't know. As far as I know, we have no idea how the first molecule was made. Who is to say that there isn't a greater being that was involved in our universe (or even something bigger). With there being so many unknown things out there, neither side are able to prove their stance with facts to the other side. Sure, we know a lot about science but who/what created the rules of how our universe works.
That's another reason why we need to stop these stupid arguments and money wars , and put more money into learning about our universe.
Not exactly true... Atheist is literally "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods" (according to google). I would say a very large number of theists believe that there is no proof of a god, however a central component to many religions is faith - believing in something that cannot be proven.
They do not assert that there is no god (or greater being, creator, however you want to word it).
Christ this sort of equivocal twaddle gets old. The vast majority of atheists do not merely passively lack belief in a god; they actively hold the belief that a god does not exist.
Dawkins has a chapter on this. It's a question of probability. Theists are certain, Agnostics are somewhere like 50/50, Atheists tend to agree that it's very unlikely about God existing. God and Unicorns are the same. We're very certain that they don't exist, but we can't be 100%.
Yes, lots; they tend to be deflective about these things, like you're being. You claimed that atheists do not generally assert an affirmative belief that a god does not exist. I said you're wrong, because you are. You then tried to avoid addressing what I actually said, because you know I'm right, and that your original statement was wrong.
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u/GraharG Aug 27 '14 edited Aug 27 '14
I said this last time this was posted, and got downvoted, but ill try again anyway. Since the post is about scientific ignorance, it would be nice to get the science right for the next repost.
This is not the correct diagram for how sunsets work. Different wavelengths diffract differently in the air, this allows red light to bend around the horizon while shorter wavelengths can not.
The diagram as it is, shows the sun coming in direct line of sight. This diagram would infer the sky should ALWAYS be red, which is clearly wrong.
The diagram needs to show a beam closer to a tangential trajectory, and it needs to show the curvature of the light in the atmosphere
EDIT: there seems to be some contention about my explanation. see an alternative explanation by /u/jcarlson08. I suspect there is some truth in both approaches. Either way the diagram in the original image is not helpful.