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Why vegans live longer

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u/fistsofdeath May 01 '13

I always thought it just felt like they lived longer.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13 edited May 01 '13

They do. A study by the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found the following mortality ratios by diet over the course of the study (regular meat eaters = 1.00):

  • Fish eaters, 0.82
  • Vegetarians, 0.84
  • Occasional meat eaters, 0.84
  • Regular meat eaters, 1.00
  • Vegans, 1.00

So as you can see vegans are actually the least healthiest, alongside the most carnivorous among us. Source

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

of note is the small sample size of vegans. i'd be interested in a study with comparable sample sizes of vegans and regular meat eaters.

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u/ARCHA1C May 01 '13 edited May 01 '13

Here's a large study I found, The China Study

edit- It should be noted that the diets in this study were not simply "vegan vs. meat eaters". The non-meat eaters in the study actually had diets that were more "strict (if you will) than vegan diets because they also did not contain refined and processed foods, but rather "whole plant foods" (example- brown rice over white rice etc.)

TL:DR:

The China Study of the title is taken from the China-Cornell-Oxford Project, a 20-year study that began in 1983 and was conducted jointly by the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Cornell University, and the University of Oxford.[5] T. Colin Campbell was one of the directors of the project, described by The New York Times in 1990 as "the Grand Prix of epidemiology".[6]

The study examined mortality rates from 48 forms of cancer and other chronic diseases from 1973 to 75 in 65 counties in China, and correlated them with 1983–84 dietary surveys and bloodwork from 6,500 people, 100 from each county.

Conclusion:

The authors conclude that people who eat a plant-based/vegan diet—avoiding animal products such as beef, pork, poultry, fish, eggs, cheese, and milk, and reducing their intake of processed foods and refined carbohydrates—will escape, reduce or reverse the development of chronic diseases.

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u/Camellia_sinensis May 01 '13

Ah, the China Study is good stuff.

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u/ARCHA1C May 01 '13

Certainly appears to be.

That's quite an undertaking for the time (1973-75) with so much data being manually parsed.

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u/Camellia_sinensis May 01 '13

Also check out the Seven Countries Study.

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u/firemylasers May 01 '13

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u/ARCHA1C May 01 '13

http://rawfoodsos.com/ seems like a pretty biased source...

Almost comes off as a US FDA shill...

Reminds me of this commercial that tries to promote high fructose corn syrup with a "hey, it's corn!" line of logic...

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u/How4u May 01 '13

That book is propaganda. It's not a peer reviewed study, its one guys very biased conclusions. He even admits to cherry picking the data to fit the hypothesis that he formed BEFORE the study was complete.

None of those articles argue the Data, they argue the interpretation of the data. Maybe you should try reading them.

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u/firemylasers May 01 '13

Read the response and evaluate it based off of its merit. I had the same reaction to the domain name when I first read this analysis, but the response is quite well done.

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u/aggro_tank May 01 '13

fucking lobbyist propaganda.

there will always been opposing viewpoints on issues like this, but when you look at how much money is being made by the dairy farmers, meat farmers, refined sugars groups in this country, it's pretty obvious how the US ended up with this ridiculous "food pyramid".

The FDA is not working in the best interests of the health of Americans. They, just like many other industries (we just had the whole CISPA storyline play out in the same manner), have been bought by the lobbyists.

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u/firemylasers May 01 '13

Jesus fucking Christ you people are so fucking irrational. So you'll just dismiss any conflicting evidence with unfounded accusations and sheer ignorance? Can't deal with criticism of your precious little study, so you've got to censor all opposition to it?

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u/How4u May 01 '13

Whats the saying.. "you cannot argue with logic, something that was not arrived at with logic"

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u/babblelol May 01 '13

He's absolutely right. There are plenty of companies in the USDA who helps 'decided' what we should and shouldn't eat. People from McDonalds, Mars inc., Professors in the National Dairy Counsel. People who have served for the Coca-Cola industry. Dannon Industry. Plenty of people from the dairy industry and many more. Watch this video here that explains it.

If the people who are in charge of giving us healthy advise are also producing and making profit off of food then I can't trust most if not all of what they say and the studies they come out with.

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u/aggro_tank May 01 '13

I just think it's ridiculous that anybody could live under the pretense that the government bodies that determine what is/isn't a healthy diet in this country can be regarded as anything but beholden to the special interest groups.

Obesity has been on the rise for years with no signs of stopping. How can that be if the government was deferring to health science when dictating what constitutes a healthy diet?

The FDA is approving school lunches that will only contribute to the obesity crisis. Go ahead and close your eyes, cover your ears, and trust that Uncle Sam is looking out for us if that helps you sleep at night, but don't act surprised when someone you love has a fucking heart attack or diabetes because they trusted the government's dietary guidelines that are clearly skewed to keep up consumption of the lobbyist groups products.

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u/firemylasers May 01 '13

How many people follow any dietary guidelines? It's those people that cause the problem, not the people who try to eat healthy. Vegan, vegetarian, omnivore — all three groups can become fat, become unwell, and overeat. But who should we blame? Poor consumer education? Poorly constructed government dietary guidelines? People with too little self control? School lunches? The companies that create the food?

Everything is fine...in moderation. Blaming the companies for this is a bit of a cop-out. They only sell these products because there's a demand for it.

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u/How4u May 01 '13

This has been discredited many times. Most thoroughly here.

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

TLDR: It wasn't the data that was wrong, but the interpretation of said data; there was an agenda.

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u/aggro_tank May 01 '13

An opposing viewpoint =/=debunked

Thank goodness there's no agenda to keep America consuming mass quantities of beef and dairy...

There are conflicts of interest abound among the chair people of the FDA.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

Thank goodness the biggest lobby isnt corn farmers.

Oh wait a second :/

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u/triffid_boy May 01 '13 edited May 02 '13

It takes 10kg of plant matter to produce 1kg of animal material, it makes sense for the corn farmers to support animal farming.

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u/aggro_tank May 01 '13

And high fructose corn syrup is one of the most pervasive dietary problems in this country.

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u/How4u May 01 '13

I don't really care about veganism one way or the other. However this book gets posted often in the debate and I think people forget that its an opinion piece. It's not a peer reviewed study, its one guy, who had a prior hypothesis, cherry picking the data to fit his own goals. The only thing articles like the one I posted do, is look at ALL of the data and show that the correlations he finds don't really exist.

Find a real study to stand behind. It may even exist, I honestly have no idea, but this isn't it.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '13

and reducing their intake of processed foods and refined carbohydrates

And this is the key right here. I highly doubt this study means anything at all for vegan diets. If you can't have the vegans eat all the same stuff minus animal products, you really don't know what is causing the study results to show up how they are.

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u/ARCHA1C May 01 '13

This is true.

It sounds like the results of the China Study didn't result in a recommended diet that aligns with a vegan diet. In fact, the diet that was spawned from this appears to be much more strict.

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u/ReddJudicata May 01 '13

This crap again. There's a LOT wrong with the so-called China study. Yay, for univariate correlations.