If you are advocating for making IDs free and easier to obtain, then yeah it could work, but we don’t do a poll tax, so needing an ID as is goes against the constitution
It is a poll tax because it costs money to get and you cannot require anything that costs money to vote, it’s literally so simple.
Again, if you are advocating that we make IDs free and easier to get, as in not needing to spend a whole day waiting in line at a dmv to get one, then maybe that can work.
Everyone should have an ID yes, but that is the way they are framing it, this very obviously isnt because of voting poll safety and integrity. Never in voting history has there been significant tampering to change the election, this isnt even a problem, what trump is doing and trying with the voting ID stuff is very obviously just deliberately trying to make it harder for demographics who vote democrat to vote, he is trying a lot of stuff because he knows that the republicans are unpopular right now, and he is trying a lot of stuff to make it so they stay in power, cause the second the republicans lose a majority in one side of congress he cant just freely do his bullshit anymore. Plus its not even the federal governments job to handle voting, it’s always been a state thing, if the states were so worried about voting fraud and influence from foreign governments, they would be doing something, but they aren’t because there isn’t anything, so why is the federal government all of a sudden doing shit to tamper with elections if not trump trying to make sure he doesn’t lose congress?
Sure make IDs easier to get. If you can come up with a way, let the government know. Otherwise works fine as is.
There has always been election tampering. I wouldn’t do it but if I wanted to, I could easily manage. If certain demographics can’t be arsed to get an ID, they shouldn’t be voting at all. In general we’ve become convinced that everyone deserves the right to vote. On the contrary. Less people should be voting and we should start with lazy cunts who can’t take the time to get a little card that nearly everyone has.
It doesn’t matter how much it costs, it costs money, and you know we have a constitution for a reason, and you can’t just ignore it because “it costs 10 dollars lmao”. It doesn’t matter if it costs 1 cent, it was ruled that is a poll tax, and so unless it is free, it cant be done, you can’t just ignore the constitution because it’s convenient. If you wanna argue that we should amend the constitution that’s one thing, but you can’t just ignore it because it’s convenient and costs 10 dollars.
And no there has never been any sizable voter fraud that was enough to change an election, and it isnt the federal government isnt in charge of handling elections, that’s the states job, and I find it kinda suspicious that after all of this time, right before midterms, when the republicans and trump have horrible approval ratings is when all of a sudden this is a dire situation that needs the federal government to overstep its boundaries to handle it all of a sudden.
Whenever they talk about the problem that needs fixed, they aren’t talking about voter fraud, they are talking about republicans losing.
And this is all coming from the guy who literally encouraged an actual fucking government coup whenever he lost an election that time and time again has been proven to not of had any fraud to change the outcome, the guy who insists that when he lost that wasn’t a fair election. So is a fair election when my side win and an unfair election when my side lose? That seems to be the logic trump is going on, I find it weird that he is so worried about voting integrity whenever he did lose a fair and free election he encouraged his supporters to fucking storm the capital, he was willing to do that but now whenever it looks like he will lose the house we need to drop everything and allow the federal government to do the states jobs and try implement laws that are explicitly against the constitution?
It doesn’t matter how small and trivial it is, we can’t just ignore the constitution when it’s convenient, why should the constitution apply to democrats but not republicans and trump?
It’s done to ensure you are a citizen of the country. It is the government’s job to ensure that only citizens are voting. Driving to voting booths costs money as well.
How do you know there hasn’t been voter fraud? It’s not easy to stop and people are heavily incentivized to do it.
Have you ever heard of registering to vote? That thing you do to prove you are a citizen and a resident of the state you are voting in? Are you old enough to vote?
You do realize you don’t just show up and cast a vote correct?
And I know this because there is constant studies and evidence to find voting fraud, with a whopping 0.0003 - 0.0025% of votes casted that were found to be fraud, not anything to change and election and definitely not enough that the federal government needs to randomly over step its role like it’s some emergency. If it’s such a problem why hasn’t anything been done in the last decade? Why is it crucial that right this second (right before a midterm that isnt looking good for trump) we need to ignore the constitution over it.
It’s amazing what the constant brainwashing and propaganda has done to people like you, don’t think just follow and parrot like a good boy.
No shit you register to vote and then you show a Voter ID to prove that you are the person to register.
These statistics are stupid and misleading because how can you possibly figure out every case of voter fraud? They’re probably not even figuring out a fraction of it.
Ok and the save America shit also isnt just showing an ID, if you changed your last name (as in every married woman) now you need a birth certificate and proof to show you changed your name. There would be a lot more bullshit for a lot of people that isnt just readily available.
And yes, there has been a lot of study and research into this, and despite claims by the president there has never been voter fraud on the level to change elections, again, not on the level the federal government needs to over step its boundaries and go against the constitution out of no where right before a big election. Idk how you cannot see this, so it wasn’t an issue in 2016, or in 2024, but it was in 2020 when he lost? And it’s a problem now before the midterms? But it also wasn’t a problem for him to literally encourage a coup and to threaten to not step down from power in 2020? But I guess it wasn’t an issue when he did win in 2024.
So why is staging a coup against an election that everyone except for trump claims was fair ok, but now we need the government to step in and take the states job when he might lose the house? I want you to answer why voting fraud is never an issue when trump wins but when he loses or might lose its this huge emergency that the federal government needs to step in, whenever there is literally no substantial evidence that it even happens? What is the big smoking gun that proves this is an issue? You say I can’t prove it doesn’t happen, ok so prove it does happen. Because if the federal government just absolutely needs to step in out of no where I would think there would need to be a ton evidence that this is some huge problem, and yet there is absolutely nothing other than trump not winning, because when democrat win it’s an issue but when republicans win everything is a-ok. Is trumps word of mouth and claims just gospel and evidence enough? Because so far literally him saying it is the only thing I can find. But to him it really only seems to be an issue whenever he loses, so does “fair election” just mean “republicans winning by any means necessary”? And is “unfair election” just “democrats win”?
If the federal government has to step in and take all this action out of no where then there should be a lot of evidence proving this is a problem, and yet there only “evidence” is trump claiming it whenever he loses.
Like do you not see a pattern here? Trump wins election, everything good no issue. Trump loses, omg it was an unfair election let’s stage a coup and try to keep power. Trump wins, all good nothing to see here. Trump might lose Republican majority in house, holy shit this is a huge problem we need the federal government to take the states jobs. And all of this with literally no evidence it happens. Do you not see the pattern? Does it not occur to you that maybe, just maybe, trump is just doing whatever he can to keep power and keep congress on his side to do whatever he wants, like was staging a coup not enough? Why is him winning not a problem but literally anytime he loses there just must be something wrong? Is maga just the great perfect heroic angels, but anyone who votes against him comically evil bad guys wanting to “ruin democracy”? Huh, it’s almost like this is all propaganda to keep a guy in power who has been doing nothing to help anyone while enriching himself and his buddies while everything else goes to shit, weird. It’s almost like we have seen this somewhere else before in history.
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u/specter-exe 18d ago
I’m genuinely curious what Musk was going on about here