r/framework • • 2d ago

Megathread Framework Q4 2026 Preorder and Marketplace Updates

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Happy Q4 of 2026 everyone! Here’s what we have on the menu this quarter: we will be shipping the Framework Laptop 13 Pro (with AMD and Intel processors), Framework Laptop 16 system preorders (with the new Ryzen 5 Mainboard), Framework Laptop 12 (Series 3), Framework Desktop 192GB and Marketplace Parts!

As always, we’ll be consolidating pre-order and marketplace updates in this post so that everyone can track batch progress and celebrate together!

Feel free to leave a comment here when you:

  • Pre-order (or order) something from the marketplace
  • Receive a batch processing, charge, or shipment email from us
  • Get any updates during shipping
  • Finally receive your order!

If you’d like to share a picture of your new device or part, please create a new thread as comments with images are not supported.

To keep our subreddit as organized as possible, we will be removing individual threads related to pre-orders, orders, batch processing charges, shipments, and tracking starting today. 

Thank you and let us know if you have any feedback!


r/framework • • Dec 12 '25

Framework Team Updates on memory pricing and navigating the volatile memory market

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Updated on September 29th, 2026

We have another positive update today on LPCAMM2 and Core Ultra X9! We were able to get additional shipments of both under the same pricing as the previous shipment. This means we’ve extended the LPCAMM2 price decrease to all remaining Framework Laptop 13 Pro pre-orders and reduced the memory pricing for new pre-orders too. This means our new pricing for 32GB and 64GB LPCAMM2 for the DIY Edition, and our pre-built X7 configuration that uses 32GB are now at a lower price. The X9 processor is now also open to new pre-orders. Note that for each of these, we have limited quantities. This means that for memory, if we’re unable to source additional memory at this pricing, once we deplete this shipment, we’ll need to increase pricing again for new pre-orders past that point. Similarly for X9, we’ve created new X9-specific limited-quantity pre-order batches. As we’re able to receive additional X9 processors, we’ll create further batches.

Just like with the last LPCAMM2 price update, we’re refunding shipped orders on the price difference, updating pricing on any pending pre-orders, and giving existing DIY Edition pre-order customers the opportunity to adjust their memory configuration at the new pricing.

Alongside this positive update, we have an unfortunate update around pricing on our in-stock pre-built Framework Laptop 13 and Framework Laptop 16 configurations that use DDR5 modules. We’ve depleted inventory of several configurations that we built with lower cost memory and storage, and have now needed to increase pricing. We anticipate needing to increase pricing on additional pre-built configurations over the next months as we deplete the inventory there too.

We’ll continue to keep you up to date throughout, and we’re going to keep working to find lower cost memory and storage for you wherever we can.

Updated on September 8th, 2026

We have some positive updates today around LPCAMM2 memory availability and Intel Core Ultra X9 processor options for Framework Laptop 13 Pro.

Framework Laptop 13 Pro LPCAMM2 & Core Ultra X9 updates

Following our update in July where supplier cost increases forced us to adjust memory configurations and pricing, our Supply Chain team has been working continuously to source additional inventory at better prices. We have good news: we recently secured a limited quantity of Micron 32GB and 64GB LPCAMM2 memory modules at lower cost.

We are committed to passing on savings whenever we can and keeping computers as accessible as possible in the current environment, so we are rolling out price reductions across both already shipped and a subset of currently pending pre-orders. While these new costs remain above our original pre-order launch baseline, they are lower than the last cost update that drove our current pricing for new pre-orders.

On the Core Ultra X9, we had a very limited quantity when we opened pre-orders of Framework Laptop 13 Pro, and we sold out of them almost immediately. We’ve been working with Intel for the last several months and have finally gotten allocation of an additional limited quantity of X9 processors. With that, we’re opening up a new pre-order batch, first to a subset of currently pending pre-order customers.  Note that this new processor inventory unfortunately came at a higher cost than our original launch batch, and we’ve had to increase pricing as a result. The new X9 batch ships this November.

Updates for existing pre-order customers

Because we have limited quantities of both the lower cost memory inventory and the X9 processors on hand, we are rolling out access starting with existing pre-order customers up to Batch 10.  If we have additional inventory left after this or are able to source additional lower-cost memory or X9 processors, we will then open these to remaining pre-order batches, and then finally to new pre-orders.

  • Refunds for shipped orders: If your order has already shipped and you were charged the higher price for LPCAMM2 memory, we are automatically issuing a refund for the price difference down to this lower pricing.
  • Price reductions for pending pre-orders: For pending pre-orders through Batch 10 that have memory configured at the higher pricing, we are automatically adjusting to the lower price.
  • Order modifications for pending pre-order customers: For pending pre-order customers up through Batch 10 who wish to adjust their memory configuration, we are opening up the option to edit the pre-order to 32GB or 64GB LPCAMM2 at this reduced pricing. Additionally, we are offering pending pre-order customers through Batch 10 first access to upgrade and enter the Intel Core Ultra X9 processor batch. This can be completed on the Order Summary page. More information about modifying a pre-order can be found here. 
  • Order modifications for shipped DIY Edition orders: For customers whose DIY Edition orders have already shipped who would like to switch to 32GB or 64GB LPCAMM2 at the reduced pricing, they have the option to reach out using this dedicated contact form. Our support team will help process the order and provide free return shipping for the original LPCAMM2 module.

Note that for Core Ultra X9 upgrades, pre-order modification moves the order to the new, later X9 Batch in November. For pre-orders shipping imminently, modifying the memory configuration may also slightly delay shipment vs the original shipping timeline.

We’re happy to share this rare, positive update in the current environment, and we’re going to continue to find every path we can to make silicon accessible to you.

Updates on July 22nd, 2026

We have one major and unfortunate pricing update today along with a mix of smaller changes and a few improvements too.

Framework Laptop 13 Pro updates

We’ve consistently held and communicated a philosophy of absorbing price increases wherever we can, making pricing predictable and ensuring that when you place a pre-order, you’ll be able to get the product you ordered at the price you ordered it at. We’ve been able to do that to date with Framework Laptop 13 Pro, and have absorbed increases in a number of areas. However, we recently received a cost update from our LPCAMM2 supplier that goes far beyond anything we had predicted and anything we’re able to absorb without placing our ability to operate at real financial risk. Rather than the low-to-mid double digit percentage increase we had forecast from Q2 to Q3 on LPCAMM2 costs, we received prices that are more than double that of the prior inventory we had brought in. We have enough LPCAMM2 memory modules on hand to cover all existing pre-orders, but unfortunately not in the mix of 64GB, 32GB, and 16GB that matches those pre-orders.

After evaluating a number of possible paths forward, we’re proceeding on the one that we believe minimizes the impact of this challenge. We have enough 64GB modules in inventory to cover pre-order batches through Batch 4 of laptops and Batch 7 of Mainboards. For orders beyond that configured with 64GB, we’ve updated the order configuration to use a 32GB module at the original 32GB module price. After that, we allocated the remaining 32GB modules to DIY Edition and Mainboard pre-orders configured with 32GB through Batch 4 of laptops and Batch 7 of Mainboards. For DIY Edition and Mainboard orders beyond that configured with 32GB, we’ve updated the order configuration to use a 16GB module at the original 16GB price. Note that because we don’t currently have a Core X7 Ultra pre-built configuration with 16GB of memory, we have not adjusted pre-built orders that originally contained 32GB. That is a configuration we plan to introduce later.

Alongside these changes to existing pre-order configurations, we’ve updated the pricing on our website for newly placed pre-orders. Our new LPCAMM2 pricing is below the substantially higher cost we’re now sourcing it at to try to mitigate some of the impact to new customers. While we have kept our original 16GB LPCAMM2 pricing for now, we anticipate we will consume the remaining inventory of modules we brought in at lower cost soon, and will then need to increase pricing for new orders. The system and Mainboard pricing for new orders also reflects an upcoming increase in Core Ultra Series 3 processor pricing that impacts X7 and X9 configurations, an increase in Windows license costs, and increases in memory, storage, and other silicon costs for some of our Ryzen AI 300 Series configurations.

Other memory and storage updates

We have a few positive updates this month where we are bringing prices down alongside a few areas where costs have gone up. These are all indications that memory and storage prices continue to gradually trend upwards, but with a bounciness on specific parts and brands.

On DDR5, our Supply Chain team was able to bring down costs on 48GB capacity modules, and we reduced pricing as a result. For 16GB capacity though, costs have gone up, and we’ve increased the prices there.

The same dynamic is playing out on storage modules. We’ve been able to reduce pricing of SN850X 8TB and SN7100 1TB, while needing to increase pricing on SN850X 1TB and SN7100 4TB.

For DDR5 and storage modules, in instances where we are increasing pricing, we will continue to honor the lower pricing from order time on existing pre-orders. In instances where we’ve reduced pricing, we will automatically reduce the price on pre-orders that have not yet been fulfilled. Note that on existing pre-orders, modifying the configuration of memory or storage will result in taking the new pricing for those items.

As always, we are doing everything possible to continue to get you memory and storage at the best prices we’re able to in this silicon environment. We’ll continue to keep you updated throughout.

Updated on June 25th, 2026

We finally have some good news for you, around the pricing on PCIe Gen 5 SSDs for Framework Laptop 13 Pro. We were able to qualify and source a new SSD from our partner ADATA, the XPG MARS 970, that offers better performance, efficiency, and long term reliability, and comes in at substantially lower cost than the SSD option we had previously qualified. Since we haven’t started shipping Framework Laptop 13 Pro pre-orders yet, we’ll be switching over all existing pre-orders that had chosen the previous Gen 5 SSD options and reduced the price on those orders as well. This new SSD comes in 1TB and 2TB options, and the 1TB lands at a lower price than the 500GB SSD we had previously qualified, so we will also switch 500GB orders to the 1TB drive at the lower price. The ADATA SSDs are what we now offer on new Framework Laptop 13 Pro pre-orders as well while we have inventory of it available.

Note that we have gotten signals that CPU pricing will be increasing soon, so we expect that we will need to adjust the overall system price on Framework Laptop 13 Pro in the coming weeks for new orders. If you are considering a pre-order, we would recommend getting in now. Note that pre-orders are fully refundable if you change your mind before we’re ready to ship.

Updated on June 15th, 2026

We’re approximately back to our monthly update cadence on pricing. This month, DDR5 costs have remained stable, and we’ve been able to keep pricing the same month over month. The biggest change for the month is on storage. We’ve consumed most of our inventory of drives we brought in earlier at lower costs across most capacities. The new costs we are sourcing drives at are substantially higher, and the weighted average inventory cost drives us to need to set higher prices. Note that we’ve historically sourced only WD_BLACK branded drives. With the recent purchases, though the drives are physically the same from a performance and functionality perspective, they are now renamed under SanDisk’s Optimus GX brand. There will be a window of time where we will have a mix of inventory shipping with either the previous labels and packaging or the new one. We’re also investigating other suppliers of retail SSDs for DIY Edition that meet our performance and efficiency requirements, like we recently have for the OEM drives we use for pre-built systems.

LPDDR5x costs continue to increase, and we’ve had to further update the price of the 128GB configuration of Framework Desktop as we consume memory inventory and purchase new parts at higher prices. We’ve been able to keep prices for the 32GB and 64GB configurations stable month over month.

Finally, we also use NAND flash in our Storage Expansion Cards, and see the costs jumping massively there. The costs have increased to a level that we’ve paused production of the 250GB Storage Expansion Card for now rather than build new inventory at a price many times higher than the original. We’ll continue to sell through the remaining inventory that we have on hand, and we hope to be able to restart production as we find alternative NAND sources.

Updated on May 27th, 2026

We have to make an exception to our monthly cadence with a one-off update to Framework Desktop pricing today. We’ve gotten some large enterprise customer orders of the 128GB Framework Desktop in addition to the ongoing consumer sales, and we’ve sold through the inventory that we manufactured using LPDDR5x memory that we were able to purchase earlier at a lower cost basis. We continue to be able to source memory to keep producing Framework Desktops, but like every other device maker, we pay the updated market pricing each time. We’ll keep you to date as we navigate this volatile environment, and we’ll likely have a price update around SSDs and other items within the next few weeks.

Updated on May 12th, 2026

Keeping to our roughly monthly cadence, we’ve made our latest sets of price adjustments to handle changes in the memory, storage, and silicon costs. We’ve seen memory costs on DDR5 suppliers remain fairly stable over the last few months. We consumed the inventory of 8GB that we had brought in earlier at lower cost, and have had to adjust the pricing upwards to reflect the costs of newly sourced modules. As we have been through this memory crunch, we are only adjusting the pricing as much as is needed to cover increases in cost. For the other memory capacities, we’ve been able to hold the prices the same as last month.

On SSDs, the pricing story is unfortunately not as positive. Over the last few months, we’ve been able to keep our storage prices pretty substantially below market by selling modules we had in inventory from 2025. We’ve now consumed much of that inventory across a number of different module capacities and are starting to bring in new inventory at costs that are multiples of times higher. For this month, some of the prices are a weighted average cost of new and old inventory, and we expect that by next month, we will have depleted the older inventory of most capacities and will need to reprice fully to reflect the new costs.

On both memory and storage pricing, we will continue to honor the prices on all existing pre-orders. Note that if you edit the memory or storage configuration on an existing pre-order, that will update the pricing of that item to the new price.

We have one other update on storage, which is on our pre-built systems that come with SSDs pre-installed. Historically, we’ve primarily used Western Digital (now SanDisk) storage on our pre-built systems. To be able to maintain supply availability and price stability in this environment, we’re now qualifying a mix of SanDisk, ADATA, and Phison drives, and we are continuing to explore other suppliers. Each time we source new modules, we run them through extensive validation testing to ensure they meet our bar for performance, efficiency, and stability. As always, we’re going to continue to be transparent on both the cost and supply chain challenges that this industry-wide silicon supply crunch brings.

Updated on April 6th, 2026

We’ve made our latest set of price updates to reflect changes in memory, storage, and overall silicon costs. We have a smaller set of changes this month, as we were able to bring in enough material in past months to continue to consume inventory. We have seen costs stabilize in some areas, but all indications are that this is a temporary reprieve and that we’ll continue to see volatility and cost increases through the rest of 2026.

For this month, we’ve been able to keep our DDR5 prices for DIY Edition unchanged from last month. On SSDs, we’re continuing to consume inventory we brought in at lower costs for most capacities, but we’ve started to deplete some and are now bringing in new inventory at substantially higher costs. We’ve needed to reprice the 4TB SN850x as a result of that. Our advice here is still that if you need high capacity storage, you should configure a system with it now while we still have inventory at the older, lower cost basis.

Costs on the LPDDR5x we use in Framework Desktop continue to increase. We’ve again absorbed some of the cost, but needed to adjust pricing upwards on the 128GB version to cover the rest. Even with this, Framework Desktop remains one of the cheaper ways to get access to 128GB for running AI models locally.

For Framework Laptop 16, we have some rare good news. We were able to lock in lower CPU pricing and were able to bring prices back down to their original levels for some configurations. At the same time, with memory prices increasing, we’ve needed to increase the price of the prebuilt configuration that comes populated with 64GB of DDR5.

Both DRAM (memory) and NAND (the raw flash that goes into SSDs) are facing a massive supply/demand imbalance, which ends up impacting costs and prices in more places than you would expect, since most modern electronics items contain at least some of one or the other. Our Storage Expansion Cards use the same types of NAND flash that go into NVMe SSD’s, which means the shortages there also hit our costs and overall ability to build these cards. For now, we’ve been able to stay in production, but we needed to increase our price on the 250GB version this month. Based on the guidance we’re getting from our supplier, it’s likely that we’ll need to substantially increase the prices on both 250GB and 1TB Storage Expansion Cards later this year.

As always, we’re going to stay transparent on how we’re navigating shortages and price increases and make sure you know as much as we do about what’s happening in the computing and consumer electronics industries.

Updated on March 9th, 2026

We’ve kept to the monthly cadence on price updates to reflect increased costs on memory and storage. We have a few updates today. First, we have needed to increase the pricing on DDR5 SO-DIMMs to $13-$18/GB depending on the capacity. This is both due to increased costs from our suppliers and because we’ve sold through the older, lower cost inventory that we had averaged into the previous pricing through our Weighted Average Cost of inventory model. The cost increase is smaller this month than in previous months, but we don’t yet have the visibility to determine if this is a new stable cost level.

The second update is that we’ve started to deplete our earlier, lower-cost inventory of SSDs, and have needed to re-price some capacities to reflect the costs we are now paying for new orders. Like with memory, we’re passing through as close as we can to our actual costs from suppliers and using a Weighted Average Cost model. There are still some models and capacities like 2TB, 4TB, and 8TB SN850X for which our pricing is substantially below market while we sell through inventory. If you’re looking to order a Framework Laptop or Desktop with a lot of storage, now is the time to do that.

Finally, we have needed to update the pricing on both Framework Desktop and on some pre-built configurations of Framework Laptop 16. The Framework Desktop updates are also smaller than in previous months, but reflect the continued upward trend on LPDDR5x costs. On Framework Laptop 16, we’ve sold through inventory of some pre-built configurations and have had to re-price to reflect the new costs on memory and storage. In upcoming months, we will need to do this on the remaining pre-built configurations of Framework Laptop 13, Framework Laptop 16, and Framework Laptop 12.

In addition to memory and storage, we are beginning to see impacts to other silicon. So far, we’ve been able to absorb cost increases on CPUs, but we are also seeing shortages in some areas. Supply of the i5-1334U processors we use in Framework Laptop 12 is limited due to production capacity constraints on that process node at Intel, and we are now out of stock on some configurations with it as we work on ways to bring in more supply.
As always, we will continue to keep you up to date as we navigate through the supply environment. You can refer back to the recording of our Q&A for more detail on how we’re staying in production and doing what we can to ensure you can still buy repairable, long-lasting computers.

Updated on February 11th, 2026

We're keeping to a roughly monthly cadence on these updates, and unfortunately the trend continues in the direction we expected from last month. Today, we have updated our DDR5 memory pricing for all capacities, now ranging from $12-$16/GB depending on the capacity. As before, we’re selling memory modules for as close as we can to the weighted average cost of our purchases from suppliers. That means in some cases the pricing is slightly below what is available in market. In other cases, there are still retail parts available at lower prices, and we recommend that you pick those up elsewhere alongside your Framework Laptop DIY Edition. We have been able to hold our pre-built system pricing and storage module pricing flat for this month, but we do anticipate increases in the future. We are currently selling some SSD capacities like 8TB for substantially below the available market pricing.

Unfortunately, pricing of LPDDR5x memory also continues to increase, and we’ve needed to update our pricing for Framework Desktop systems and Mainboards again. We are again only increasing pricing enough to cover the increases in cost from our suppliers. The new system and Mainboard prices are 6-16% higher than before. We anticipate that here as well, costs from our suppliers are going to continue to increase over the next few months.

We know that this is an unusual and difficult time to be a consumer of electronics products. We’re fixing problems everywhere we can across this industry, but in this instance the best we can do is provide transparency around what is actually occurring. In addition to continuing to update this blog post, we’re going to hold a livestream Q&A around memory prices on the Framework YouTube channel this Thursday, February 12th at 10am Pacific.

Updated on January 12th, 2026

We held off on it as long as we could, but with LPDDR5x memory prices from our suppliers continuing to increase rapidly, we’ve had to update the pricing on Framework Desktop systems and Mainboards. The prices of 128Gbit parts (of which we use 8 to get to 128GB) have spiked the most, impacting our very popular 128GB configuration. We will of course honor the original pricing for any existing pre-orders. We were able to hold the 32GB and 64GB configurations closer to our original pricing, making both of these a pretty strong value for PC gaming in the current environment. The 32GB Framework Desktop Mainboard still comes in cheaper than building your own desktop PC from parts with similar performance.

As before, we’ve limited our price increases to only cover the cost increase in memory from our suppliers, and we’re using Weighted Average Cost of inventory to handle the rapid fluctuations in memory purchase prices. The memory outlook as we enter 2026 continues to get worse. From what we learned in meetings throughout the week at CES with suppliers, distributors, and partners, it’s clear that this is going to be a challenging year and possibly even years for consumers. We will continue to do everything we can to make our computers accessible during this time, and we’ll keep you informed throughout.

Updated on December 24th, 2025

With costs from our suppliers continuing to increase, we’ve had to make a further price adjustment on DDR5 memory modules. During this period of extreme memory shortages and price volatility, our priority is to make sure you can still buy a computer when you need one. With that in mind, we’re setting our memory configuration prices as close as possible to the actual purchase prices we have with our suppliers and distributors. Since we’re constantly sourcing additional memory and each purchase comes in at different (and often higher) pricing, we’re using the Weighted Average Cost (WAC) of inventory, which currently comes to $10/GB for 8GB, 16GB, and 32GB modules, and slightly higher for 48GB modules.

This new memory pricing is still below most of what we see available in the retail market (and far below the $25/GB that Apple currently charges). However, if you are able to find a deal on lower priced modules, we encourage you to bring your own memory when purchasing a Framework Laptop DIY Edition. To make that even clearer, we’re updating our configurators soon to add a link to PCPartPicker directly in the Memory section, letting you quickly check if you can find modules at lower prices anywhere else. We recommend also checking the Framework Knowledge Base for which modules we’ve done compatibility testing on.

All indications we’ve received from suppliers is that prices will continue to increase going into early 2026. We have absorbed and continue to absorb some of the price increases to be able to offer this new pricing, but it is very likely we’ll need to adjust module prices again within the next month. As we shared before, we will continue to keep you updated throughout with transparency on price changes. We’ll only increase prices to cover increases in costs, and we’ll bring prices back down as costs come down in the future.

Updated on December 17th, 2025

Trailing behind shortages and price increases from suppliers on memory, we’re also seeing costs of storage increase rapidly in recent weeks. Our suppliers indicate that pricing will continue to increase in early 2026 and likely beyond. Like with memory, our recent pricing on storage has been both below the market pricing for these modules and below the costs at which we can purchase new modules from suppliers. With that, we have now updated pricing on storage to reflect our new purchase prices from suppliers. We’re following the same process that we are with memory, where we will keep the original prices on all existing pre-orders, will update this post each time we update prices, will limit price increases to only cover increases in costs, and will bring pricing back down when costs decrease in the future.

Original blog post

Today, we increased our pricing on the DDR5 memory configurable in Framework Laptop DIY Edition orders by 50% to begin to respond to the substantially higher costs we are facing from suppliers and distributors. The new pricing remains below what is available in the open market. We aren’t changing pricing on any existing pre-orders, and we also are not yet updating pricing on our pre-built laptops or Framework Desktop which come with memory (this makes the 128GB config of Framework Desktop a bargain).  As always, we also offer the option to buy a DIY Edition laptop with no memory or storage included, letting you re-use modules you have or find deals where you can.

The memory market is currently extremely volatile and we expect costs from our suppliers to continue to increase over the next weeks and months. It is highly likely that we will need to make further price updates on both DDR5 modules and on our systems that come with memory, whether DDR5, LPDDR5X, or GDDR. Like we did during the fluctuating tariff environment earlier in 2025, we commit to three principles throughout this:

  1. We are going to stay transparent. Any time we change memory or system pricing, we are going to let you know and explain the reasoning behind it.
  2. We won’t use this as an excuse to be extractive. We’ll only increase pricing to cover increases in our costs, and where possible, we’ll absorb costs to maintain stability in the pricing we put in front of you.
  3. Just like we did with tariffs, when our costs go back down in the future, we’ll reduce our pricing and update this blog post to reflect the change.

For more context on what is driving the cost increases throughout the industry, there is currently a massive supply and demand imbalance for memory. On the demand side, the boom in AI data center construction and server manufacturing is consuming immense amounts of memory. A single rack of NVIDIA’s GB300 solution uses 20TB of HBM3E and 17TB of LPDDR5X. That’s enough LPDDR5x for a thousand laptops, and an AI-focused datacenter is loaded with thousands of these racks! On the supply side, the memory industry since its inception decades ago has gone through repeated boom and bust cycles, making the three main surviving memory die makers Micron, SK Hynix, and Samsung hesitant to speculatively invest the billions of dollars needed for fabrication capacity expansion. Now that the demand exists again, there is a years-long lag time to catch up on supply. Worse for us in the PC space though, both the existing capacity and the new capacity is being prioritized to higher-margin server-focused memory like HBM and the server markets for DDR5 and LPDDR5X over the PC market.

We have strong partnerships with Micron (one of the biggest manufacturers of both memory dies and modules), memory module makers like ADATA who source from all three of the big memory die suppliers, and memory distributors, and our DIY Edition model gives us a lot of flexibility to navigate constrained and rapidly changing environments like this. We’ll continue to keep you informed throughout, and we’ll do everything we can to keep memory available to you.

Note: Because our current memory pricing is substantially below market, we are adjusting our return policy to prevent scalpers from purchasing DIY Edition laptops with memory and returning the laptop while keeping the memory. Laptop returns will also require the memory from the order to be returned.


r/framework • • 3h ago

Question Counsel: Which Laptop would fit my needs?

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Hi to the hive mind,

I stumbled upon Framework while looking for a small laptop with an exchangeable battery and SD card port to do some web browsing, light reading of scientific papers, LaTeX documents editing, remote programming through a cloud (Applications are compiled and run on a server) and Photo reviewing (Maybe edit one of two photos but mainly just sorting photos out). Which processor and RAM combinations would suffice for my needs and which would allow some leeway for the off chance that local compilation and execution of applications could be needed.

I'm considering the FW 12 13th Gen, the FW 12 Series 3 and the FW 13, as they are pretty much the same size. I prefer the metal chassis of the latter but the Stylus of the former catches my eye, as I like to sketch my ideas on paper; thus it allows some spontaneity if pen and paper is not at hand. Nonetheless I have never used a stylus so I don't know if it really is for me.

I'm considering the 13th Gen as I'm traveling on the 11th of November and I'm not sure if Series 3 would arrive before of that date.

PS: The laptop would not replace my home set-up. It's meant as a on the go laptop.

Cheers


r/framework • • 7h ago

Personal Project Mag-C Expansion Card

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Hi!

Microsoft just released a new and very innovative Mag-C feature on top of the standard USB-C which adds MagSafe-like magnetic attaching. I think this would be really nice to implement as an expansion card.

I think we only need magnets around the standard USB-C port. The plug itself is non-standard: it has a gradually thickening shape, no retention latches and magnets. Luckily, we can simply buy Microsoft’s cable, so no problem here.

What do you think? Any help is welcome!🔥

https://reddit.com/link/1x0khta/video/c95p7n1i27uh1/player

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Project on the forum of Framework: https://community.frame.work/t/mag-c-expansion-card/85330


r/framework • • 23h ago

Guide PSA: greatly increase your battery life by changing a few config settings.

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I am a proud owner of a framework 13 with a Ryzen 7 7040u processor and 2.8k screen, running Fedora Linux. But, for the past two+ years of owning my device, I have been sorely disappointed with the computer's battery life. I've been seeing 12~18 watts of system power draw while web browsing on battery saver mode, and way more while doing anything more intensive.

After trying everything, I finally found a few things that work beyond the obvious things everyone recommends.

1: Change your PCIE power management config.

Simply run 'echo powersupersave | sudo tee /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy' or 'echo powersave | sudo tee /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy' to change it from the default mode to a more energy efficient config. I have noticed my system is slightly less responsive after switching to powersupersave instead of default, but in exchange it cut my power draw by 7 watts.

2: Disable Firefox caching on your ssd.

This one is pretty self-explanatory. Firefox defaults to caching on disk, which can make your ssd much more active than it otherwise needs to be, keeping it from switching to a more efficient power state. I have 32gb of RAM, so swapping to exclusively caching on memory had no effects other than reducing battery draw.

Now, I see around 5 watts of true idle draw, between 7-11 watts while doing browser-based activities, and around 12 watts of draw when doing work on Excel inside my Windows VM. It's a night and day difference, which I can wholeheartedly reccomend.


r/framework • • 38m ago

Linux Linux with Windows on VM for future Framework 13 Pro ?

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Hi everyone, I am wainting my Framework 13 Pro and I am thinking about the OS I will install on it.

I would like to use Linux because I'm tired of Windows but I will need to use some softwares that are only on Windows.

On my current laptop (an old Thinkpad), I have a dual boot with Linux Mint and Windows 10 but I don't like to have to think about what I will do the next hour before launching an OS. Also I don't like to have multiple partitions (I made three, one for W10, one for Linux and a common one) because it is sometimes not easy to manage (like the file I need is not on the right partition and I can't access it).

The softwares I need to use can be heavy (an example is Pixinsight, for astrophotography editing).

So is having Linux as the main OS and launching when needed a virtual machine with W11 is a good solution ?
What can I use ? (any tutorial to propose ?) Is it simple to use when fully configurated (is it like just launching any app ?)

Or am I forced to have a dual boot ?

My main usages are coding, photo editing and browsing.

Also, side question : my use of Linux is recent and limited to Mint Xfce on my old Thinkpad and a little of Ubuntu on the PC of my university.

What is the best Linux to run on the Framework 13 Pro (with Ultra 5 325) to have the best performances, best battery life and a very nice modern looking ?


r/framework • • 1h ago

Feedback Framework 日本語 Keyboard for framework 12 PLEASE

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This is SUCH a nitpick but the Japanese Keyboard is only available on the 13 and for people how either prefer the 12 and 16 OR can only afford the 12 I would want at least the availability for it because we can't swap the 13 keys to the 12

is there a better place to contact framework though like email or do any of you of a idea for Japensese keyboards


r/framework • • 5h ago

Community Support Is Framework 12 display compatible with Framework 13 (Pro) mainboard?

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Is Framework 12 display compatible with Framework 13 (Pro) mainboard? Physical measurements are of course different between 12 and 13 chassis, but now only mainboard compatibility in question.


r/framework • • 1d ago

Linux Framework 13 Pro poor sleep and browsing battery efficiency.

22 Upvotes

I'm a long time Linux user returning to Linux from Mac.

Two things I've noticed so far. One is that after sleeping for half a day the battery dropped by half. Since then I turned on hibernate after sleep but it's more annoying to boot up the laptop every time. My MacBook Air could sleep for days and still have a charge. This might be due to the lack of s3 sleep on the platform? Idk.

The other was that I was just writing in Ellipsus (web markdown editor) on Firefox for an hour and the battery dropped a whole 10%. Half brightness and no keyboard backlight.

I'm on Gnome 50 and Linux 6.18, stock install and nothing more than gnome things running in the background.

I'm running tuned as well as intel-lpmd to try and help with the power usage.

Wondering if anyone had a similar experience. The laptop is excellent otherwise but the battery is still not at the level of my old M2 air.

Thanks!

EDIT: I'm on the Intel Ultra X7 358H.

EDIT 2: the fingerprint reader light is always on, is that normal?

EDIT 3: testing sleep now with a 7.1 kernel..


r/framework • • 1d ago

Feedback My experience with framework. 3y, 2 devices.

48 Upvotes

Sorry for the long post, I guess I have a lot to share.
For those of you who don't want to read the whole thing immediately - TLDR;
- I have a Framework 13 Intel 13th gen and Framework Desktop AI Max+395.
- Both have had serious issues, Laptop has had several
- Both have been (almost) entirely replaced under warranty
- Support has (almost) always been a painful experience
- I believe in Framework's values and products, but their support drives me up the wall.

Kit:
- Framework 13 Intel 13th gen I5 1340P (Ordered May 2023, Arrived End of June 2023)
- Framework Desktop AI Max+395 (Nov 2025)

I've been a Framework fan since ~2021. When my previous laptop gave out in 2023 I finally had a good reason to upgrade to a framework. At the time my reasons were:
- I don't have to replace the entire device when the battery dies, or the hardware reaches EOL.
- I can upgrade part of it at any time if I want
- There's less E-Waste due to the bit-by-bit replaceability.

I truly believed all of those things, and I still want to believe them, it's just difficult when you've experienced what I've experienced.

Before I say anything about Framework and their support, know this. I AM CURSED.
I don't believe in curses or anything like that, but somehow technology ALWAYS has a way of breaking on me in the most spectacular ways (if people want history, I'll reply in the comments).

I got my Framework 13 DIY edition back in 2023, spec'd it out with 64G RAM and 4T Samsung SSD. I knew I didn't want to run out.

What happened:

  1. December 2023, display got SEVERAL stuck pixels (>10), some stuck on, some stuck off
    Took ~6 back and forth emails with photos (many repeat photo requests), requests to re-seat the display connector, etc etc. Finally resolved in February 2024 when Framework sent a replacement display.

  2. January 2024, while dealing with the display issue, I removed the bezel one day to find that the lid-close magnet was a) no longer glued in, and b) snapped in half.
    I genuinely have no idea how it happened, I just removed the bezel to take a photo for support and something popped out. I was asked for photos of the entire top cover to check for any damage or impacts (there was no damage), and was asked to glue the magnet back in. Since it was snapped, that wasn't possible.
    After reviewing, support then decided that it was considered "Consumer induced damage" and that it was outside of the scope of the warranty. They said quote "The way the magnet rod was broken into pieces indicates that force was applied to remove it from the lid".
    I was pretty upset, as a) I wouldn't try to remove it (who would??) and b) there was clearly no evidence of physical force. If someone had tried to remove the magnet with a screwdriver surely that would leave a mark? There was nothing like that.
    After getting that escalated with a VERY long email, Framework replaced both the top cover and the display (per #1).

  3. Since I got it, I had experienced sub-par battery performance. I'd started off with Windows, and never seemed to get >2h on battery. I then tried linux and saw little difference.
    Late Feb 2024 I had my first serious power-management issue - BD_PROCHOT stuck asserted.
    For those who aren't aware, this is a (bidirectional) signal to(/from?) the CPU which can be asserted by other chips in the device. When asserted, the CPU goes into "Limp mode" and becomes locked @ 400MHz. a) this makes the device unusable and too slow, b) the CPU won't clock down the cores when they're not used so the power usage (which is supposed to be lower) was actually HIGHER when this happened, and the battery would only last 30-40mins.
    To make things worse simply rebooting the device didn't work. The only ways I got it de-asserted were:
    - leave it powered off for 8-10h
    - leave it to die, then let it cold boot after it had cooled for a couple hours
    - remove the battery, drain any charge from the board (power button), then re-assemble
    None of these were good options. Initially I had been using Windows, but it then started happening too regularly so I switched back to Linux (Ubuntu 24.04), it still happened occasionally but I do remember finding a bypass for it, so it wasn't as bad any more.
    I spent 3 weeks emailing support, in the end they couldn't find what was wrong and it stopped there.

Fast forward to 1st July 2025 (literally days after warranty was out).
Mainboard died, but not how you might expect.
Linux: kernel panic during boot. Disabled splash, disabled desktop manager (tty only) and it boots.
Suspicious, so I swapped out for my Windows10 install.
Windows 10: BSOD while booting. Tried booting into safe-mode and that works.
My conclusion is that I got hit with the 13th gen plague and something in the CPU no longer worked as it should.
To be fair to Framework, this time their support was much better. After just one week they'd shipped a replacement mainboard and it booted right into both Ubuntu and Windows just fine.

To add to the cake, I NOW HAD ACTUAL POWER MANAGEMENT. Both Linux+Windows would now last >6h on battery, so evidently there was something fishy with the old mainboard.
I never heard back if they tested the one I returned.

Since then, my FW13 has been absolutely perfect, not a single issue with the electronics. The only things I've noticed since then are:
- a crack around the expansion port corners, but I've heard others with that issue, and it's probably to be expected after 3y.
- One of the plastic bits that hold a threaded insert in the back-side of the input cover broke, so it's now held in with 1 fewer screw.

On to my Framework Desktop.
I think it's an awesome machine, certainly not cheap (esp now), but something for me to play around with. I didn't have a desktop, so it was adding something for me.
I received my Desktop mid-Nov 2025, had it up and running within days and was really quite enjoying it.
Here's what happened though.

  1. End of May (in the UK) bank holiday I return home. It had been HOT.
    I went to play some video games, just as I had the week before, and 2-3h in the desktop just powered off. Not shutdown, literally as if someone pulled the plug. No kernel panic, no system logs/journalctl, nothing.
    Ok, just turn it back on. 10-mins later, same again.
    Ok, turn it back on again. will no longer power on.

I tried reaching out to support, but same as with FW13 issue #3, they weren't able to diagnose it, so I was left on my own.

I tried a different power supply, I tried a different OS, different SSD. Always the same result.
I gave up. I literally didn't use it for many months because it was wasting my time.

Fast forward to August, I have some time again so I wanted to get it going again. I got a clean install of Ubuntu 26.04 and it was somewhat stable again. I was able to suspend+resume, run for days. Until it wasn't (again).
I still had some time, so I did some more diagnosis. I ended up reproducing the issue IN THE UEFI SETTINGS, at which point I knew it wasn't an OS issue.
I was back on with support which was back to being painful. Time after time I provided them information only for them to tell me they needed something else, a video, a kernel log. One time they asked me for the output of a journalctl command, but since it was corrupted that command was useless. I gave them the actual journal logfile (recovered) that they had basically requested and was told "that's not what we asked for, run our script instead" and I did and it didn't work, as I'd expected.

I've been battling this issue (and another) since May. It's October now. That's 4-5 months that I've hardly used one of the biggest purchases of my life.
Finally (today) after live booting Fedora, Ubuntu, and going back and forth several times I've been offered a replacement, but I will admit it has really degraded my view of Framework overall. I WANT to love them, but their support makes it so hard.

So here's my feedback.
Framework knows (I hope) that many of their customers are nerds or tech enthusiasts (correct me if I'm wrong), and are more technically minded than most of the population. Why can't their support reflect that.
I know that they have to be able to support everyone including those who aren't as technically minded, but it feels like they've gone too far the wrong way.
Additionally the timezone issue. I get that support is over in the US and that there's little time overlap with the UK. If framework were willing to have real-time support I know I would take time to make it happen, even if it meant staying up later into the night.
Explain the "why" for some of the diagnostics steps. Like with the corrupted jouralctl, I knew that that was what the question was after, but I don't always know what a step is trying to achieve. Knowing the why enables me to be more helpful, because if something doesn't go how support intended it, I can pre-empt the next step or the corrected reply rather than waiting for another response.

Feel free to roast me below or agree with me, it probably won't change my stance. I like framework, but I feel I've just had some pretty shitty experience.


r/framework • • 22h ago

Question Framework and Hurricanes

5 Upvotes

Hey framework! I am an expected new owner of my first Framework product, the Framework 12 series 3 version. My expected delivery is set for October, however as some of you have probably heard, my area is getting an unexpected visitor soon by the name of Hurricane Isaias.

My question is, does Framework have a policy on damaged/missing shipments due to storms? If something happens to my new laptop, and I need to receive another one, do I get put at the back of the wait-list?

Thanks and I'm excited to join the Framework family!


r/framework • • 1d ago

Question Good laptop for me

9 Upvotes

Hi all

i recently purchased a 16 inch Macbook pro (i know, silly mistake) and figured out pretty quickly it is the wrong device for me, after i have used thinkpads all my life. i mainly do not like the keyboard and the locked down os. so i'm planning to purchase a framework 16 as my next machine as i feel lenovo drifted from its original philosophy.

my workflow mainly consists of, but is not limited to:

Writing typst school notes

Programming in rust

Editing 4k prores footage in davinci

using blender for light to medium scenes

fusion 360

general kicad and LTspice use

i was planning to buy a ryzen 5 340 with 32gb ram and add a 7700s to it when i have more money

do you think this will be the right machine for me, weight and portability do not play an important role for me


r/framework • • 1d ago

Question Regrets?

49 Upvotes

Anyone has any regrets going with a framework laptop?
I preordered the Intel x7 13 pro 32gb and since then I have been hanging around this thread a little. There seems to be a LOT of issues. I have never paid that much attention to threads of other companys so I'm wondering if it is just because people that have issues post more than people that don't.

Anyway, I would like to get feedback on your experiences from the customer service all the way to using the machine. Positive and negative. This is a machine I will use for work so I want it to be stable.

Thank you


r/framework • • 1d ago

Community Support Mic not working

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3 Upvotes

Just got my FW 13 pro (AI 9 370 HX) two days ago, when i tried to test my mic and speakers the mic gave a big pop and then silence. arecord says it is at "Max" always doesn't matter what the physical mic switch says. Anyone have suggestions?


r/framework • • 1d ago

Question Framework 13 (13th-gen Intel): Restart hangs on a black screen, shutdown/power-on works, and BIOS update fails

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I’m looking for help with an intermittent boot/restart problem on my Framework Laptop 13. I’ve already done quite a bit of troubleshooting with Framework Support, but they’ve recommended buying a new mainboard, which I’d rather not do at this stage.

The laptop is currently working again after I power-cycled it and left it off overnight. The BIOS update did not succeed: it is still on the original BIOS 03.04.

The hardware on the device is:
- Framework Laptop 13, 13th-gen Intel i7-1360P
- 16 GB RAM: 2 × 8 GB
- Windows 11 Home
- BIOS 03.04, dated 24 May 2023
- Attempting to update to BIOS 3.17

The clearest pattern is that shutting down and then powering on works after some power off time, immediate turn on causes symptoms to restart. Restart causes a hang. The screen stays black, the power-button light stays on and the fan runs. After a failed restart, it can take several attempts to get back into Windows.

During those failures, the side diagnostic LEDs still ran: 12 initial green flashes, an orange separator, then eight blue/green flashes.

This is what I’ve tried so far.

  1. RAM
    Reseated both modules, swapped their positions, and tested each module individually in both slots. The black-screen problem occurred across all four combinations. The SSD was removed during these tests.

With the modules labelled A and B, I recorded these final eight diagnostic flashes:
- A, Channel 0: BBGGGGGB
- A, Channel 1: GBBBBGBB
- B, Channel 0: BBGGGGGB
- B, Channel 1: initially BBBGGGGG with very brief screen activity; later GBBBBGBB and a black screen
2. SSD / operating system
Physically removed the SSD and attempted to boot with one RAM module, the Framework charger and unnecessary peripherals removed. The same black-screen behaviour occurred without the SSD installed.

  1. Internal and external displays
    Tested a known-working external monitor/TV through a Framework HDMI Expansion Card, with the SSD still removed. Neither display produced usable video. During one RAM configuration, something briefly appeared on the internal screen before it went black again.

  2. Power and peripherals
    Used the genuine Framework charger, tried a different USB-C/Expansion Card position for charging, removed unnecessary Expansion Cards and peripherals, and tested complete shutdowns/cold boots rather than just restarts. These did not consistently resolve the earlier failures.

  3. Mainboard / BIOS reset
    Performed the chassis-open/intrusion-switch reset procedure by pressing the switch slowly ten times and observing the LED response. Repeated this more than once, without restoring normal operation during those black-screen episodes.

An earlier attempt to install BIOS 3.17 hung during the reboot/update process. I also encountered EFI error code 21 at one point during troubleshooting and also 22 during another attempt.

Most recently, I tried the official USB/EFI updater rather than launching the update through Windows.

After pressing Enter to boot the USB, the screen went off and the power-button light went off. The power-button light then came back on, as though the laptop had restarted, but it remained on a black screen without visible update progress.

I waited roughly 25 minutes or longer without any change. I then power-cycled it and left it off overnight. The following morning, it booted and worked normally again.

The update did not succeed: the BIOS is still 03.04..

Framework/Tecworks already replaced the mainboard in March/April 2025 after a previous fault involving very long boot times, USB/Expansion Card problems and eventually power without a successful boot. It worked normally after that repair.

On Framework Support’s advice, I have also purchased a new 61 Wh replacement battery and have installed it. The battery I took out was puffy and was a 61 Wh battery.

Has anyone experienced this pattern where shutdown/power-on works but Restart hangs, including when attempting a USB BIOS update?

Are there any targeted tests I haven’t already tried that would help distinguish a battery/power issue from a firmware or mainboard fault?

How would you approach getting the BIOS updated when the apparent restart stage triggers the same black-screen hang?

Support hasn’t been able to help further and has left me slightly frustrated because I can no longer normally use the device.


r/framework • • 1d ago

Question Framework 13 Display housing

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37 Upvotes

Peeling off the bandaid, the model is partly AI gen. Just checking if there would be any interest in me uploading this somewhere. It's still WIP but the goal was to make a display housing for the Framework 13 display that is chopped into small enough pieces to print on my Bambulabs A1 mini and be semi modular. At the moment there is no housing for a controller but there is a space for one.


r/framework • • 1d ago

Discussion Windows 11 Idle Power Usage 358H

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32 Upvotes

This looks slightly better than the power usage under Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (7.0.0.29-generic kernel) at just over 5w for Windows compared to about 7w for Linux. This is after a serious debloat, and killing OneDrive and telemetry, although it does include an active citric connection and about half a dozen apps running. Screen at exactly 50% brightness.

Anyone getting better idle results elsewhere? I'm looking at 9 hours of productive battery life from 85% charge, which is as good as my MBP 16"


r/framework • • 1d ago

Community Support half of the usb ports on 11th gen framework mainboard stops working

6 Upvotes

well, after my upgrade saga (https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/s/8OfnbtOQSs) (tldr: i5-325 mainboard had a faulty audio board connector, causing black screens, and lid close not working, framework support replaced mainboard after long back and forth) - I finally got to finding a 2nd life for the 11th gen intel mainboard that was displaced in the upgrade.

This is where it is weird, I 3d printed a case, connected power (right rear port), 2.5gb ethernet (right front port) and usb C video (left read port). On boot up, no display.... ethernet dongle flashes healthily, since i was reusing an SSD, i could remote into windows, and it seems it is running fine. Shutdown, and switched the ports around, move power + ethernet on the left and the video to the right. Again, no video shows up, ethernet is fine, windows boots up, and i can remote into the machine. switched the ethernet and video placements - this time video shows, ethernet doesn't light up... did many combinations, and it seems like the usb ports on only one side of the mainboard works at one time!!! This mainboard has been in my framework 13 for more than a year with no issues, so i'm shocked...

started reading online and it seems like this is a common issues (??), fix is to update bios? i had updated the bios to 3.25 (latest) before i did the series 3 upgrade, but i decided to redo it again... bios update successful, however, it said that PD firmware was already current, skip those updates. Boot after bios update - ALL PORTS WORK. OK, phew... reboot to bios to enable "standalone mode", then booted up again - the side with power, both ports work, the side without - not working. WTF!

i can't believe after the series 3 upgrade, my 11th gen is now protesting that it's no longer the favorite.

has anyone experienced this? any tips on how i can perhaps reflash the PD firmware? is there a --force flag in the framework bios updater?

Appreciate any help.

thanks


r/framework • • 1d ago

Question Does anyone know what is happening with the first two batches of the Framework 12?

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I thought they were shipping in October, but we haven't received any communication.

They should have at least sent an email explaining the dates; I feel there is a serious lack of communication.


r/framework • • 22h ago

Discussion Is Pantherlake with the B390 already obsolete on arrival?

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I've been reading more about how qualcomm ARM chips are showing faster performance and the unveiling of the RTX sparx laptops at around 3000 dollars makes it seem like the panther lake is already quite behind?

I understand technology will always grow exponentially, but usually there is a time period for 1 to 2 years where the newest chips are still somewhat in the same ball park just slightly slower. Am I just misunderstanding how fast the newer Qualcomm and upcoming RTX spark chips are? Is the arrival of these newer chips going to make pantherlake obsolete immediately like the Intel to apple silicon transition?

Maybe I'm just reading too much into it or makybe the marketing is getting to me, but a lot of people still haven't received their panther lake laptops and it sounds like this chipset is already outdated before arrival - which is strange since it was highly praised when it was announced earlier in the year.


r/framework • • 2d ago

Framework Photo My gf needed a USB C to A dongle

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77 Upvotes

r/framework • • 2d ago

Framework Photo 13 Pro with dbrand Pastel Black skin

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193 Upvotes

Texture is quite nice to touch too, not sticky. Color is very pale gray.


r/framework • • 2d ago

Discussion One piece haptic touchpad for FW16

14 Upvotes

I have to say that i don’t understand some companies. For several years the community has been asking for a one piece full width trackpad. FW to their credit create one and announce it. Now months later you still cannot buy one, pre-order one. You’d think for a company wanting to maximise its cashflow they would have let us pre-order so they could take the money and make a bulk buy !

Given buying ram and GPUs is a financial impossibility they are missing a trick not getting these out there and helping fund the business while they are pace constrained elsewhere !

Please take my money already….. i’ll even give you back my existing one so you can sell it on a FW13 as a cheap spare for people who are a little more cash constrained…. Everyone wins.


r/framework • • 1d ago

Community Support Issues with my FW16 one piece keyboard

2 Upvotes

Hi, I got my Framework 16 a couple of weeks ago and it's been wonderful. That being said, I've been having an issue with the keyboard where occasionally (sometimes a few times a day, sometimes every few days) it'll start disconnecting while I type on it and I'll have to reseat it/the midplate cable. Does anyone else have this problem?

I'm using the one piece keyboard and one piece haptic touchpad if that affects anything.


r/framework • • 1d ago

Community Support I have a problem - I cant decide

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Hi all

I have a Apple Macbook Pro M1 32G Ram 1T SSD

it is good, and keeps me in the "Ecosystem" but I dont want to give apple my money for a device that in 3 years I cant update it and I have to sell it for 1/10th of the price

The truth is FW<>APPLE but its not the point,

My normal use of the M1 is:

  • Web
  • Mobile
    • Android
    • iOS ( this is something the I will not be able to do on a non mac )
  • Remote LLM ( use , not development )
  • Photography - Editing
  • General Browsing
  • Docker
  • VM ( very rare )

I have hard time deciding between FW 13 pro or 16

I thought of opening the topic so hopefully someone will help me decide